God created all things by Jesus Christ

[Stewardofthemystery]

This is another way to prove the identity of Jesus Christ the Son of God as being the very Word of God.

Notice…

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

And here….

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

And here….

Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

In the above 3 verses we see that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the Word of God are the same, by which God created all things.

Peace and God bless

[Capbook]

If you create something, are you the creator or the creation?

But the verse doesnt say he created it says "by him" (through him) .

Lexicon define "by" not the same as yours. (through) is not one of them.

NT:1722
<END GREEK> en (en); a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between NT:1519 and NT:1537); "in," at, (up-) on, by, etc.:

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. )

[Capbook]

Jesus is never called "the Creator of all things"

The Word of God said so.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him

I dont see the word "Creator" in that verse.

If you create something, are you the creator or the creation?

The Creator is always Jehovah. Jesus created by using the power and instruction from Jehovah. Jehovah is the Creator because He has all power and delegates some to Jesus.

Though in human nature, apostle Paul acknowledged the power of Jesus. (1 Cor 5:4,5)

4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
KJV

KJV

[Capbook]

Jesus is never called "the Creator of all things"

The Word of God said so.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him

I dont see the word "Creator" in that verse.

If you create something, are you the creator or the creation?

The Creator is always Jehovah. Jesus created by using the power and instruction from Jehovah. Jehovah is the Creator because He has all power and delegates some to Jesus.

Yes, Jesus Christ came to the earth as a human being born of water as every other human. Jesus did not have the powers associated with God when He became a human on the earth! Lightning did not strike me when I realized this fact. Yes, Jesus was the Son of God and Mary at the same time. However, He had to come to earth as a human with all our characteristics and weaknesses to be tempted and tested as we are! Therefore, He did not have power of His own to heal people, raise people from the dead, and perform other miracles. How do we know this? Because Jesus prayed! If He was a God during His thirty-three years on the earth, He could have performed such feats directly with His own godly powers.

Since this was not the case, He had to pray to God His Father to perform acts beyond His human capabilities.

The verse says otherwise. 1 Cor 5:4-5

4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
KJV

[JehovahsWitness]

...
Lexicon define "by" not the same as yours. (through) is not one of them.

NT:1722
<END GREEK> en (en); a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between NT:1519 and NT:1537); "in," at, (up-) on, by, etc.:

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. )

The Greek at Colossian 1v16b is not not EN but DIA


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[JehovahsWitness]

Romans 9:5 : Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God [EQUAL (to)] all, forever praised! Amen.NIV

The king James version does not read like that at all (the words [EQUAL (to)] are added).

King James Bible
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

[JehovahsWitness]

The verse says otherwise. 1 Cor 5:4-5

4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
KJV

I don't see the word "Creator" (or equal) in this passage at all. Why did you quote it? What is the point you are trying to make?


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[Capbook]

...
Lexicon define "by" not the same as yours. (through) is not one of them.

NT:1722
<END GREEK> en (en); a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between NT:1519 and NT:1537); "in," at, (up-) on, by, etc.:

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. )

The Greek at Colossian 1v16b is not not EN but DIA



COLOSSIANS 1:16 "all things were created by (dia) him" Col 1:16b
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 93#p925193
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 01#p934901

That is EN in red.

Col 1:16
οτι
 G3754 
 CONJ 
ὅτι
that, becauseεν
 G1722 
 PREP 
ἔν
inαυτω
 G846 
 P-DSM 
αὐτός
he, she, itεκτισθη
 G2936 
 V-API-3S 
κτίζω
to fabricateτα
 G3588 
 T-NPN 
ὁ
theπαντα
 G3956 
 A-NPN 
πᾶς
allτα
 G3588 
 T-NPN 
ὁ
the
τ

[JehovahsWitness]

...
Lexicon define "by" not the same as yours. (through) is not one of them.

NT:1722
<END GREEK> en (en); a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between NT:1519 and NT:1537); "in," at, (up-) on, by, etc.:

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. )

The Greek at Colossian 1v16b is not not EN but DIA



COLOSSIANS 1:16 "all things were created by (dia) him" Col 1:16b
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 93#p925193
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 01#p934901

That is EN in red.

Verse 16 b (not 16a)

[Capbook]

...
Lexicon define "by" not the same as yours. (through) is not one of them.

NT:1722
<END GREEK> en (en); a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between NT:1519 and NT:1537); "in," at, (up-) on, by, etc.:

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. )

The Greek at Colossian 1v16b is not not EN but DIA



COLOSSIANS 1:16 "all things were created by (dia) him" Col 1:16b
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 93#p925193
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 01#p934901

That is EN in red.

Verse 16 b (not 16a)

That is G1722. (by)

[JehovahsWitness]

That is G1722. (by)

This has been addressed


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