A belief of the Jehovah Witnesses?

[polonius]

Garbe, Detlef (2008). Between Resistance and Martyrdom: Jehovah's Witnesses in the Third Reich. University of Wisconsin Press. pp. 37, 38. ISBN 0-299-20794-3.

" In their opinion, only people who have accepted Jehovah and subsequently submit to his requirements will survive Armageddon and enter into the New World ... Jehovah's Witnesses also believe that a person confessing to worship God has to be associated with the true Christian denomination. Since they claim to be the only true religious denomination, they also claim to have the only means for salvation."

Is this a belief that all Jehovah Witnesses hold?

[tam]

Peace to you,

Not a JW here, but I think the misunderstanding (or obfuscation) is coming in under the word 'saved'.


1 - The WTS teaches that at the time of Armageddon (which the WTS teaches can occur any time now), all non-JW's who are alive on the earth (with some possible exceptions) will be killed. In order to survive Armageddon, one has to be a JW (in good standing). Again, with some possible exceptions.



2 - The WTS also teaches that everyone who has died before Armageddon occurs, will be resurrected. These ones get a second chance, so to speak, to live on the earth and not die.


The WTS teaching from when I did a bible study with them (more than a decade ago), was that the people who die at/during Armageddon do not get a resurrection (theirs is a permanent death).





Hope that makes it more clear.


Peace again to you!

[Elijah John]

However, the Bible says this about salvation:

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Rom. 10:9-10).

That's what Paul says. But is that what Jesus ever said? Especially that second part. So to say that "the Bible says this about salvation:" is at best an extreme generalization and an overstatement, at worst, just plain error. The Bible is not unified on this matter. It is a collection of books and is divergent as one would expect a collection to be.

But you're right. Belonging to a particular organization does not ensure salvation. It is a gift of grace from YHVH God. Whether that grace is appropriated though Jesus, or more directly through YHVH. But it is not appropriated though an organization.

[polonius]

Peace to you,

Not a JW here, but I think the misunderstanding (or obfuscation) is coming in under the word 'saved'.


1 - The WTS teaches that at the time of Armageddon (which the WTS teaches can occur any time now), all non-JW's who are alive on the earth (with some possible exceptions) will be killed. In order to survive Armageddon, one has to be a JW (in good standing). Again, with some possible exceptions.



2 - The WTS also teaches that everyone who has died before Armageddon occurs, will be resurrected. These ones get a second chance, so to speak, to live on the earth and not die.


The WTS teaching from when I did a bible study with them (more than a decade ago), was that the people who die at/during Armageddon do not get a resurrection (theirs is a permanent death).





Hope that makes it more clear.


Peace again to you!

RESPONSE: Yep. Heaven is filled up with the 144.000 according to the JWs.

So whatever religion, the most any of us can hope for is a good time here on earth!


"Jehovah's Witnesses believe that only 144,000 'spiritual Israelites' go to heaven. The 144000 is also referred to as the 'little flock'. Everyone else will either survive the end of the world, (i.e. armageddon) or die before armageddon and be resurrected to life on a paradise earth with a new physical body.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 6 by JehovahsWitness]

Jehovahs Witnesses believe many millions of people that held to non-biblical beliefs will be given a ressurection to a paradise earth on this planet (after the destruction of the wicked ) and be afforted the opportunity to learn the truth about God and Jesus.

Where in scripture do JWs claim this is specifically taught?

And where in any of the four Gospels does Jesus make this clear and definitive?

[JehovahsWitness]

This indicates that they believe one has to be a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses (which they regard as God's only true organization on earth) to be saved.

Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock� Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev. 7:9, 10, 15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established.
From https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/201 ... tion&p=par

• What is Jehovahs organisation?
• What does it mean to be associated with it?
  
  
• And what is the salvation it is refering to?

The quote does not state if one is not a a baptised member Jehovahs Witnesses you will be killed at Armageddon?

Membership in a church doesn't save. Jesus saves and we receive his gift of salvation through faith, not by belonging to a man-made organization.

Jehovahs Witnesses have never claimed otherwise.

JEHOVAHS WITNESS



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[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 6 by JehovahsWitness]

Jehovahs Witnesses believe many millions of people that held to non-biblical beliefs will be given a ressurection to a paradise earth on this planet (after the destruction of the wicked ) and be afforted the opportunity to learn the truth about God and Jesus.

Where in scripture do JWs claim this is specifically taught?

And where in any of the four Gospels does Jesus make this clear and definitive?

Make what clear and definitive?

• The numbers (millions) - Rev. 7:9
• The ressurection - Acts 24:15
• A paradise - Luke 23:43; 2 Cor 12:4
• A paradise on earth Hab 2:14; Isaiah 11:9
• The destruction of the wicked Mat 25:46 ; Prov 2:21, 22
• The necessity to learn about God and Jesus John 3:16

Jehovah's Witnesses believe the entire bible is the word of God and base their teaching on the teaching of Jesus in the four gosspels and all the inspired writings of the 66 canonical books including those of the Apostle Paul and the book of Revelations. We take a wholistic approach and do not believe that is something is not specifically mentioned in the gospel but is in scripture it is not from God. So the answer to your question is .... we believe these things are " made clear and definitive" in the bible.






JW

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https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines ... -on-earth/

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[JehovahsWitness]

The WTS teaches that at the time of Armageddon (which the WTS teaches can occur any time now), all non-JW's who are alive on the earth (with some possible exceptions) will be killed.

Emphasis MINE


I have never read that anywhere in our literature. Here is the link to our website (it contains practically everything we have ever published) feel free to search and see if you can substantiate this claim.

Watchtower online library
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/h/r1/lp-e

In the meantime I as one of Jehovah's Witnesses and am telling you we believe that the incorrigiblly wicked will be destoyed at Armageddon, those Jesus judges as "goats" when he returns.



JW

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ARMAGEDDON, LAST DAYS and ...EXCLUSIVITY OF SALVATION

[JehovahsWitness]

The WTS teaches that ...in order to survive Armageddon, one has to be a JW (in good standing). Again, with some possible exceptions.

Emphasis MINE

I have never read that anywhere in our literature. Here is the link to our website (it contains practically everything we have ever published) feel free to search and see if you can substantiate this claim.

Watchtower online library
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/h/r1/lp-e

In the meantime I as one of Jehovah's Witnesses and am telling you we believe that the incorrigiblly wicked will be destoyed at Armageddon, those Jesus judges as "goats" when he returns.





JW

FURTHER READING What Is the Battle of Armageddon?
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... rmageddon/

[JehovahsWitness]

2 - The WTS also teaches that everyone who has died before Armageddon occurs, will be resurrected. These ones get a second chance, so to speak, to live on the earth and not die.

Emphasis MINE

This is true*

* The Watchtower is a magazine published by Jehovahs Witnesses. It would therefore be more accurate to say that Jehovahs Witnesses teach this. Webase all our beliefs on the bible.




JW

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ARMADGEDDON, THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD and ...RESURRECTION

[JehovahsWitness]

The WTS teaching from when I did a bible study with them (more than a decade ago), was that the people who die at/during Armageddon do not get a resurrection (theirs is a permanent death)

This is accurate. Jesus we believe will return and judge the whole earth. Those he judges to be "goats" will go into "everlasting destruction".





JW



FURTHER READING What Is the Battle of Armageddon?
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... rmageddon/