Respect

[Menotu]

Here, we're told to have a civil tone with each other (which is harder for some than others ) and respectful
viewtopic.php?t=14
That's all fine and good.
But in reality - your life - are you respectful of others, their lifestyles, their personalities...?
Is respect of others something the bible says you should have?
Or is it not spoken of?
If not, should it be something a good, God-believin'-Christian should have towards others?
And what does respect mean, as a Christian?
Are you help to a higher or lower standard?
Or should respect be discarded (except for here, of course)?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 10 by Tired of the Nonsense]

Even if your decription were an accurate, there must be thousands of direct instructions attributed to God in scripture, with hundreds of instructions as to worship and requirements. There are dozens of families mentioned with children. In all those four, of anything, does not a "systematic requirement" make.

Further, I think it is general knowledge that outside of war or the exercise of the judicial system God doesnt mandate killing anyone much least minors. Any claim that the God of the bible {quote} "requires that children and babies be systematically hacked to death" is as I said a gross misrepresentationof the contents of scripture.

In any case I wish you much peace and please, have a very pleasant evening,


JW

Does the bible advocate the dashing of babies against rocks?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 65#p827065

Did Jephthah kill his daughter?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 41#p900641

Why would God use a human agent to carry out divine executions?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 19#p861919

Why does the bible include accounts of military exploits and divine executions?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 09#p990309

Why did God destroy the Canaanites?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 58#p906458

Why did God command the destruction of the MIDIANITES?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 42#p359442

Is love compatible with killing?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 39#p952839

Is the God of the bible a violent sadist?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 51#p978751

[Tired of the Nonsense]

[Replying to post 10 by Tired of the Nonsense]

Even if your decription were an accurate, there must be thousands of direct instructions attributed to God in scripture, with hundreds of instructions as to worship and requirements. There are dozens of families mentioned with children. In all those four, of anything, does not a "systematic requirement" make.

Further, I think it is general knowledge that there is not a single instruction outside of war or the exercise of the judicial system in the entire bible from God, to kill anyone much least minors. Any claim that the God of the bible {quote} "requires that children and babies be systematically hacked to death" is as I said a gross misrepresentationof the contents of scripture.

In any case I wish you much peace and please, have a very pleasant evening,


JW

Does the bible advocate the dashing of babies against rocks?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 065#827065

Did Jephthah kill his daughter?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 641#900641

Why would God use a human agent to carry out divine executions?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 919#861919

Why does the bible include accounts of military exploits and divine executions? [this thread]
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 309#990309

Why did God destroy the Canaanites?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 458#906458

Why did God command the destruction of the MIDIANITES?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 442#359442

Is love compatible with killing?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 839#952839

Is the God of the bible a violent sadist?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 751#978751

I have several Bibles. These passages are contained in every one of them.

Numbers 31
[15] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
[16] Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Joshua 6

[20] So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.
[21] And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.


Joshua 11:

19 Except for the Hivites living in Gibeon, not one city made a treaty of peace with the Israelites, who took them all in battle. 20 For it was the Lord himself who hardened their hearts to wage war against Israel, so that he might destroy them totally, exterminating them without mercy, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Ezekiel 9

[4] And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
[5] And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
[6] Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
[7] And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

Samuel 1 15:

[2] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
[3] Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

What does it say in your bible?

[tam]

Peace to you,

Here, we're told to have a civil tone with each other (which is harder for some than others ) and respectful
viewtopic.php?t=14
That's all fine and good.
But in reality - your life - are you respectful of others, their lifestyles, their personalities...?
Is respect of others something the bible says you should have?
Or is it not spoken of?
If not, should it be something a good, God-believin'-Christian should have towards others?

Well, Christ said (Matt 7:12):

In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.


If you wish to be shown respect, then you must show respect to others as well.

[Diagoras]

[Replying to post 12 by Tired of the Nonsense]

To be fair to JehovahsWitness, he did qualify his statement with outside of war, and earlier on suggested all the slaying of innocents was:

a grim but necessary feature of the unique and limited wars to conquer the promised land under General Joshua

<bolding mine>

I dont understand the necessity of the actions described in those verses of Scripture, but I suspect both Apologist and Non-theist alike agree that we cant usefully point to examples from war to claim lack of respect.

I contend that a general theme of fear of difference has been the catalyst for much of the documented biblical genocides and discriminatory laws, such as against homosexuality, women, etc. If all are created from God, then it is indeed puzzling that the supposed creator, having brought all this difference in the world should not more strongly exhibit respect for difference.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

[Replying to post 12 by Tired of the Nonsense]

To be fair to JehovahsWitness, he did qualify his statement with outside of war, and earlier on suggested all the slaying of innocents was:

a grim but necessary feature of the unique and limited wars to conquer the promised land under General Joshua

<bolding mine>

I dont understand the necessity of the actions described in those verses of Scripture, but I suspect both Apologist and Non-theist alike agree that we cant usefully point to examples from war to claim lack of respect.

I contend that a general theme of fear of difference has been the catalyst for much of the documented biblical genocides and discriminatory laws, such as against homosexuality, women, etc. If all are created from God, then it is indeed puzzling that the supposed creator, having brought all this difference in the world should not more strongly exhibit respect for difference.

There is a difference between the death of children and babies that are indirect causalities of war, and deliberately disemboweling and decapitating babies and children
as ordered.

[Diagoras]

[Replying to post 14 by Tired of the Nonsense]

Very true. I totally agree, which is why I carefully stated that I didnt understand the necessity of such an action. However, my ignorance shouldnt suffice as an argument - Im not going to make that common fallacy!

God shows little or no respect for difference as a statement, however, is something that I contend is true, supported by (sadly) numerous scriptural examples, only a scant few of which youve already highlighted.

[tam]

Peace to you!

[Replying to post 12 by Tired of the Nonsense]

To be fair to JehovahsWitness, he did qualify his statement with outside of war, and earlier on suggested all the slaying of innocents was:

a grim but necessary feature of the unique and limited wars to conquer the promised land under General Joshua

<bolding mine>

I dont understand the necessity of the actions described in those verses of Scripture, but I suspect both Apologist and Non-theist alike agree that we cant usefully point to examples from war to claim lack of respect.

I contend that a general theme of fear of difference has been the catalyst for much of the documented biblical genocides and discriminatory laws, such as against homosexuality, women, etc. If all are created from God, then it is indeed puzzling that the supposed creator, having brought all this difference in the world should not more strongly exhibit respect for difference.

There is a difference between the death of children and babies that are indirect causalities of war, and deliberately disemboweling and decapitating babies and children
as ordered.

Not to the children and babies there isn't.


Just sayin'



(I have not read the exchange between the two of you and so am not commenting on that, but this comment caught my eye when I opened the last page of this thread...)

[Willum]

[Replying to post 16 by tam]

Believe me, there is a difference between murder during the horror and terror of war, and the hopelessness of being lined up by the Hebrew to be murdered.

Such a comment shows how inured to human suffering a religion can make a person.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 12 by Tired of the Nonsense]

To be fair to JehovahsWitness, he did qualify his statement with outside of war, and earlier on suggested all the slaying of innocents was:

a grim but necessary feature of the unique and limited wars to conquer the promised land under General Joshua

<bolding mine>

I dont understand the necessity of the actions described in those verses of Scripture, but I suspect both Apologist and Non-theist alike agree that we cant usefully point to examples from war to claim lack of respect.

I contend that a general theme of fear of difference has been the catalyst for much of the documented biblical genocides and discriminatory laws, such as against homosexuality, women, etc. If all are created from God, then it is indeed puzzling that the supposed creator, having brought all this difference in the world should not more strongly exhibit respect for difference.

I am sure when Jews and Hebrew were under similar circumstances, that comforted them.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

Peace to you!

[Replying to post 12 by Tired of the Nonsense]

To be fair to JehovahsWitness, he did qualify his statement with outside of war, and earlier on suggested all the slaying of innocents was:

a grim but necessary feature of the unique and limited wars to conquer the promised land under General Joshua

<bolding mine>

I dont understand the necessity of the actions described in those verses of Scripture, but I suspect both Apologist and Non-theist alike agree that we cant usefully point to examples from war to claim lack of respect.

I contend that a general theme of fear of difference has been the catalyst for much of the documented biblical genocides and discriminatory laws, such as against homosexuality, women, etc. If all are created from God, then it is indeed puzzling that the supposed creator, having brought all this difference in the world should not more strongly exhibit respect for difference.

There is a difference between the death of children and babies that are indirect causalities of war, and deliberately disemboweling and decapitating babies and children
as ordered.

Not to the children and babies there isn't.


Just sayin'



(I have not read the exchange between the two of you and so am not commenting on that, but this comment caught my eye when I opened the last page of this thread...)

Certainly the deaths of children is tragic regardless of the reason. But try to imagine yourself a soldier who had just been ordered to systematically hack to death the children of your enemies with swords.