Why did God create a new virus to kill people? This is a question for any Christain that believes in the Noah myth or creationism. Because if either is true then God did create this virus and did it to kill people.
Also, why does God allow this virus when he could wave his wand and get rid of it?
Cornavirus why did god create it
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Post #61
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Wow! Are you (and supporters) now suggesting that God exists? Or, that man hasn't created viruses? Also, please point out (within my post), where I stated that man didn't devise the solutions for viruses!
So, its clear that I didn't suggest that man hasn't created the vaccines against viruses, but I did suggest that the scientific intuition from God was intricate to such discoveries! And, I'm not alone in this belief
Albert Einstein wrote: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift."
John Maynard Keynes, the famous economist, said: "Isaac Newton owed his success to his muscles of intuition. Newton's powers of intuition were the strongest and most enduring with which a man has ever been gifted."
A well-documented case of intuition concerns Frederick Kekule's (1829 - 1896) discovery of the structure of benzene. Kekule saw the answer in a dream of a snake coiled and biting its tail. In an intuitive flash, he realized that the molecular structure was characterized by a ring of carbon atoms. Benzene is a 6 carbon ringed compound with 6 hydrogen atoms with the carbon-carbon bonds arranged alternately single and double. This discovery opened the way to modern theories of organic chemistry.
So, what is scientific intuition? It is the acquiring of knowledge without proof, evidence or conscious reasoningThus, void of understanding on how the knowledge was acquired! Where, in this case and many others, I claim that "scientific intuition" came from God. And, some of the most famous scientists agree
brunumb wrote:Basically what you are saying is that God didn't create viruses, man did, and that man didn't really find the cures, God provided them. Sorry, but that just won't wash.
Wow! Are you (and supporters) now suggesting that God exists? Or, that man hasn't created viruses? Also, please point out (within my post), where I stated that man didn't devise the solutions for viruses!
Hence, the knowledge that God has given the scientists will allow them to create a vaccine
So, its clear that I didn't suggest that man hasn't created the vaccines against viruses, but I did suggest that the scientific intuition from God was intricate to such discoveries! And, I'm not alone in this belief
Albert Einstein wrote: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift."
John Maynard Keynes, the famous economist, said: "Isaac Newton owed his success to his muscles of intuition. Newton's powers of intuition were the strongest and most enduring with which a man has ever been gifted."
A well-documented case of intuition concerns Frederick Kekule's (1829 - 1896) discovery of the structure of benzene. Kekule saw the answer in a dream of a snake coiled and biting its tail. In an intuitive flash, he realized that the molecular structure was characterized by a ring of carbon atoms. Benzene is a 6 carbon ringed compound with 6 hydrogen atoms with the carbon-carbon bonds arranged alternately single and double. This discovery opened the way to modern theories of organic chemistry.
So, what is scientific intuition? It is the acquiring of knowledge without proof, evidence or conscious reasoningThus, void of understanding on how the knowledge was acquired! Where, in this case and many others, I claim that "scientific intuition" came from God. And, some of the most famous scientists agree
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Post #62
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Except that they made no mention of God. Could it be that there is some bias coming into that attribution.So, what is scientific intuition? It is the acquiring of knowledge without proof, evidence or conscious reasoningThus, void of understanding on how the knowledge was acquired! Where, in this case and many others, I claim that "scientific intuition" came from God. And, some of the most famous scientists agree
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
Post #63
[Replying to post 61 by brunumb]
Yes, you can be confident that I am bias towards GodYet, in the support that I supplied there was none! Where, Albert Einstein didn't believe the same as I do. Isaac Newton probably came the closest and Frederick Kekule seems to be in a gray area.
However, it seems clear that all three believed that they were inspired by something way beyond their ability to explain from a scientific perspectiveCan you?
brunumb wrote:Except that they made no mention of God. Could it be that there is some bias coming into that attribution.
Yes, you can be confident that I am bias towards GodYet, in the support that I supplied there was none! Where, Albert Einstein didn't believe the same as I do. Isaac Newton probably came the closest and Frederick Kekule seems to be in a gray area.
However, it seems clear that all three believed that they were inspired by something way beyond their ability to explain from a scientific perspectiveCan you?
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Post #64
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He absolutely could change. He just promised us that He wont. Would you disagree with Him if His opinion was different than yours?
Look, the real question falls into your belief of natural law. Can we know good and evil aside from God? Meaning, is good and evil a separate thing that we can all know without God? Or is God the originator of good and evil?
I would argue that His reality may be subjective to Him, but it is objective to us.
He absolutely could change. He just promised us that He wont. Would you disagree with Him if His opinion was different than yours?
Look, the real question falls into your belief of natural law. Can we know good and evil aside from God? Meaning, is good and evil a separate thing that we can all know without God? Or is God the originator of good and evil?
I would argue that His reality may be subjective to Him, but it is objective to us.
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Post #65
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Neither makes any difference if there is no verifiable evidence that the 'God' is imaginary.TheGreatDebate wrote: I would argue that His reality may be subjective to Him, but it is objective to us.
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The Christian Bible states that God is love. Is that subjective or objective?TheGreatDebate wrote: [Replying to post 57 by Athetotheist]
He absolutely could change. He just promised us that He wont. Would you disagree with Him if His opinion was different than yours?
Look, the real question falls into your belief of natural law. Can we know good and evil aside from God? Meaning, is good and evil a separate thing that we can all know without God? Or is God the originator of good and evil?
I would argue that His reality may be subjective to Him, but it is objective to us.
This is the same question addressed by Socrates and Euthyphro: "Is something holy because the gods love it, or do the gods love something because it's holy?"
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The gods dance when the humans who invented them pull their strings. If those humans love something, the gods dance to that tune. If those humans consider something holy, the gods stay in step.Athetotheist wrote:
This is the same question addressed by Socrates and Euthyphro: "Is something holy because the gods love it, or do the gods love something because it's holy?"
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Re: Cornavirus why did god create it
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Donray: Why did God create a new virus to kill people?
William: The Creator made viruses which are able to mutate.
It is not clear to me that the virus is 'new', but Human Beings have been co-existing with these since day one, and most often they get out of control due to how Human Beings choose to live.
Apparently there are even viruses dormant in the ice-fields ready to be released into the world stage as the ice melts.
Donray: This is a question for any Christain that believes in the Noah myth or creationism.
William: I am a Christian who believes such tales were created around campfires thousands of years ago and are not necessary to believe.
What I do acknowledge is that the evidence we have now, we do indeed exist within a Creation, therefore there is a Creator.
Donray: Because if either is true then God did create this virus and did it to kill people.
William: Viruses can and do kill people, but the death rates are the result of the worlds wealth being unequally distributed and those who use their wealth to travel around the world having fun and adventure are principally the reason for why the virus is doing the damage that it is...and will continue to do.
Donray: Why did God create a new virus to kill people?
William: The Creator made viruses which are able to mutate.
It is not clear to me that the virus is 'new', but Human Beings have been co-existing with these since day one, and most often they get out of control due to how Human Beings choose to live.
Apparently there are even viruses dormant in the ice-fields ready to be released into the world stage as the ice melts.
Donray: This is a question for any Christain that believes in the Noah myth or creationism.
William: I am a Christian who believes such tales were created around campfires thousands of years ago and are not necessary to believe.
What I do acknowledge is that the evidence we have now, we do indeed exist within a Creation, therefore there is a Creator.
Donray: Because if either is true then God did create this virus and did it to kill people.
William: Viruses can and do kill people, but the death rates are the result of the worlds wealth being unequally distributed and those who use their wealth to travel around the world having fun and adventure are principally the reason for why the virus is doing the damage that it is...and will continue to do.
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Post #69
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Love is whatever God defines it to be.
The sum of the whole matter really is this. If there is something that God Himself must conform to, then that is God.
Im not sure if you understand what an actual deity is. If He says 2+2=5, then 2+2=5.
Love is whatever God defines it to be.
The sum of the whole matter really is this. If there is something that God Himself must conform to, then that is God.
Im not sure if you understand what an actual deity is. If He says 2+2=5, then 2+2=5.
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Do you have direct personal knowledge? Or is it something you read about in a religious book or heard about from others?
Thousands of 'deities' have been proposed, worshiped, loved, feared, and fought over by humans. How does one choose 'the one' to worship and make the right choice among thousands (half a percent chance of guessing right)?
How would anyone know that 'he says so'? Are there periodic bulletins or messages? Would it be a voice in their head?
Do YOU understand what an actual deity is?TheGreatDebate wrote: Im not sure if you understand what an actual deity is.
Do you have direct personal knowledge? Or is it something you read about in a religious book or heard about from others?
Thousands of 'deities' have been proposed, worshiped, loved, feared, and fought over by humans. How does one choose 'the one' to worship and make the right choice among thousands (half a percent chance of guessing right)?
Only its worshipers accept this. Not all here are worshipers. Those who wish to preach to the choir may be more comfortable in TD&D or Holy Huddle sub-forums " where 2+2 may equal 5 ('if he says so').TheGreatDebate wrote: If He says 2+2=5, then 2+2=5.
How would anyone know that 'he says so'? Are there periodic bulletins or messages? Would it be a voice in their head?
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