Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment
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Post #161What verse is that? (About instinct). As you've said you rely to God's word. To interpret the verse is to be supported by another verse, no man's participation. Man's (your) interpretation did not wait and violate God's command about food on the sixth day?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 2:41 amGod wasn't speaking to the birds on day six he was speaking to Adam.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 1:27 am
Genesis 1:11(Third day of creation) God created vegetation but no mention about it being food.
Many thousand years passed......
(Fourth day of creation)
Many thousand years passed......
Gen 1:20 (Fifth day of creation) God created the fowls and its every kind.
Many thousand years passed......
Gen 1"30 (Sixth day of creation) God inform the fowls of what their food is. Do fowls survived many thousand year not knowing what their food is?
All living creatures will instinctively eat if food is available. God imbedded a natural instinct into all living things, which acts like an internal "voice" to eat and drink and keep themselves alive. Remember there was no command from God recorded were God told babies to drink their mother's breast milk, so how is it that Eve kept her newborns alive?
One has to use god given common sense when reading the bible.
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Post #162DOES THE BIBLE RECOGNISE THE INSTINCTIVE WISDOM OF LIVING THINGS?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 2:41 am God wasn't speaking to the birds on day six he was speaking to Adam, so at no point is there a record of God ever saying to the birds "you must eat the food around you". It's been thousands of years since God made the birds and still to this day there is no scripture where God explained to the birds they must eat the food they find.
All living creatures will instinctively eat if food is available. God imbedded a natural instinct into all living things, which acts like an internal "voice" to eat and drink and keep themselves alive. Remember there was no command from God recorded were God told babies to drink their mother's breast milk, so how is it that Eve kept her newborns alive?
The scriptures note that animals cannot reason on a higher level as can humans but do act on "instinct" (Greek phusikos) see Jude 1v10. Regarding birds, in the book of Job we read that humans are "wiser" than birds, so birds must, according to this scripture, have a degree of wisdom, albeit much less than humans. How do such creatures (such as birds) get their instinctive behaviors since they are incapable of reading books or understanding abstract notions such as mathematics, cellular biology and astrophysics?JOB 34v11b
And he makes us wiser than the birds of the heavens. (also see Proverbs 30v24)
God has "made" humans wise so the implication is that he also made the less wise animals. God CREATED creatures including birds with a degree of natural or instinctive wisdom (compare Proverbs 6v6-8). This is demonstrated by the humble ANT
PROVERBS 6:7-8
Which, having no chief, Officer or ruler, Prepares her food in the summer And gathers her provision in the harvest
CONCLUSION Genesis contains no specific command directed to the animals to eat the food they found. All animals including birds however, were created with a natural (instinctive) behavioral patterns that included the urge to eat and drink whatever they found that was suitable for food.
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Post #163Yes, God said it to Adam, and how many thousand years then would passed as there is no verse that Adam inform the fowls of its food?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 4:17 amDOES THE BIBLE RECOGNISE THE INSTINCTIVE WISDOM OF LIVING THINGS?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 2:41 am God wasn't speaking to the birds on day six he was speaking to Adam, so at no point is there a record of God ever saying to the birds "you must eat the food around you". It's been thousands of years since God made the birds and still to this day there is no scripture where God explained to the birds they must eat the food they find.
All living creatures will instinctively eat if food is available. God imbedded a natural instinct into all living things, which acts like an internal "voice" to eat and drink and keep themselves alive. Remember there was no command from God recorded were God told babies to drink their mother's breast milk, so how is it that Eve kept her newborns alive?
The scriptures note that animals cannot reason on a higher level as can humans but do act on "instinct" (Greek phusikos) see Jude 1v10. Regarding birds, in the book of Job we read that humans are "wiser" than birds, so birds must, according to this scripture, have a degree of wisdom, albeit much less than humans. How do such creatures (such as birds) get their instinctive behaviors since they are incapable of reading books or understanding abstract notions such as mathematics, cellular biology and astrophysics?JOB 34v11b
And he makes us wiser than the birds of the heavens. (also see Proverbs 30v24)
God has "made" humans wise so the implication is that he also made the less wise animals. God CREATED creatures including birds with a degree of natural or instinctive wisdom (compare Proverbs 6v6-8). This is demonstrated by the humble ANT
PROVERBS 6:7-8
Which, having no chief, Officer or ruler, Prepares her food in the summer And gathers her provision in the harvestCONCLUSION Genesis contains no specific command directed to the animals to eat the food they found. All animals including birds however, were created with a natural (instinctive) behavioral patterns that included the urge to eat and drink whatever they found that was suitable for food.
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Post #164There is no verse that GOD informed the fowls of its food.
There is no verse that Adam informed the fowls of its food.
So? So what is your point?
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Post #165What an evasion?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:01 amThere is no verse that GOD informed the fowls of its food.
There is no verse that Adam informed the fowls of its food.
So? So what is your point?
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Base on your interpretation about animal's instinct to find the food in Gen 1:11.
Then what's the purpose of God informing Adam about the fowls and its kind about its food, where they are already eating it?
It's either you are underestimating my God whom have foreknowledge.
Or your god is not the true God who has foreknowledge.
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Post #166WHY DID GOD TELL ADAM ABOUT WHAT THE BIRDS EAT?
No doubt to explain the natural order of things and to help him appreciate divine generosity. Did Jesus not tell us there were things humans could learn from birds?
MATTHEW 6:26-34 New King James Version
Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them
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Post #167The law said that people should sacrifice for their sins. If there is no sin anymore, then there is no need for the sacrifice. That does not mean the law should be removed, only that there is no need for sacrifice.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 2:31 am Since there was no need for [sacrificial laws] anymore what are the options? One option is to Remove or change those laws from being mandatory to being optional (adapt the law). However we have agreed that Jesus indicated not ONE LETTER of the Mosaic law was subject to be changed. So to this day the Jews that do no keep all the laws (including those to make sin sacrifices) are breaking God's law.
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Post #168No, sin still abounds!
But sin no longer affects one's salvation anyway under the New Testament Covenant:
Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Everlasting life is now a gift of God under the New Testament Covenant:
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
To inherit this gift of God, we must simply believe in Jesus as our Savior:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Believers can still sin, but there is no need for any sacrifice because sin no longer affects our salvation! We do not have to be without sin to inherit everlasting life, even though the wages of sin is death. Believers avoid the wages of their sins by gaining everlasting spiritual bodied life which cannot die. Since we cannot die, the wages of sin do not affect us.
This is not to say that there are no consequences for sinning! We reap the rewards of our sins here on earth. These may include prison time, jail, fear of detection, guilt, venereal disease, shame, lost opportunities, divorce, low self-esteem; and the list goes on, and on, and on.
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Post #169The sacrifices were not subject to not having sin (which is why we have the perfect man Jesus participating in the festivals despite his not needing forgiveness of anything). The sacrifices were an obligation for every Israelite and there was no clause for anyone to be exempt from its obligations due to perfection or sinlessness.1213 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 2:06 am.... If there is no sin anymore, then there is no need for the sacrifice. That does not mean the law should be removed, only that there is no need for sacrifice.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 2:31 am Since there was no need for [sacrificial laws] anymore what are the options? One option is to Remove or change those laws from being mandatory to being optional (adapt the law). However we have agreed that Jesus indicated not ONE LETTER of the Mosaic law was subject to be changed. So to this day the Jews that do no keep all the laws (including those to make sin sacrifices) are breaking God's law.
So I repeat, since the law was not subject to modifications (for example the addition of a new clause that stated "Hereafter, if one is without sin you dont have to offer sacrifices ), there is no way to remove parts and keep the ten commandements or any other parts one prefers.
The ONLY option is is to nail the entire thing to the "cross" and replace it with something new.
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Post #170When does the Father feeds the fowls in the creation week?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:44 pmWHY DID GOD TELL ADAM ABOUT WHAT THE BIRDS EAT?
No doubt to explain the natural order of things and to help him appreciate divine generosity. Did Jesus not tell us there were things humans could learn from birds?
MATTHEW 6:26-34 New King James Version
Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them
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Birds may have natural instincts. But the many thousand years interpretation of the creation week regarding fowl's food, already eating it many thousand years ago, even before God inform Adam what their food is, makes your god not a true God that has foreknowledge of everything.