"Take my word for it, or his, or this book"

[Zzyzx]

Most of us probably know better than to believe everything said or written. If someone tells us they can fly by flapping their arms, our response is likely disbelief and a request that they ‘show me’. If they refuse to demonstrate or fail in flapping, we regard their claim as false. Agreed?

If a person claims to have come back to life after being dead for days none of us are likely to believe the claim unless it could be verified. Right?

If someone writes that fifty years ago a long-dead person came back to life and flew away into the sky, what would be your / our likely reaction? Would we be convinced if they say ‘many saw him’?

What would it take to convince us that the tale was true?

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #204]

Thus saith the Lord God Jesus Christ:

Unless you let go of the old, what you've learned on your own will not bring you the wisdom that comes from your Lord.

Why are you directing that at me and what about it should I take seriously as some kind of prophetic utterance The Lord is saying to me through you as a medium?

I posted that in response to what you have said [in words], verbatim, not to you personally, as William. It's about how the wisdom of the Lord, and the Lord Himself, may come to anyone in the right way, as God prescribed. Confirmation of this is, of course, to be executed by the Lord Himself, not by me; hence, the need of coming to the Lord, and calling on Him is inevitable if anyone wishes to talk to and speak with God for the truth. You have nothing to take from it since the same is nothing but a testimony to the reality of the existence of the Lord Jesus Christ.

[OneJack]

[Replying to tam in post #210]

Also - Christ does not need to use another person (or thing) as a medium. He speaks Himself. Straight to people. His sheep listen to His voice.

This is a lie; anyone would be dead meat if Christ spoke to anyone with His real voice, which He did not use to the apostles; hence, the Son of God, per se, was created by the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb. The Son of God was the man to whom Christ, whose name is Jesus, manifested Himself to talk to and live with the apostles and disciples.

[tam]

Peace to you all,

[Replying to tam in post #210]

Also - Christ does not need to use another person (or thing) as a medium. He speaks Himself. Straight to people. His sheep listen to His voice.

This is a lie; anyone would be dead meat if Christ spoke to anyone with His real voice, which He did not use to the apostles; hence, the Son of God, per se, was created by the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb. The Son of God was the man to whom Christ, whose name is Jesus, manifested Himself to talk to and live with the apostles and disciples.

I'm just going to post links to some comments that have already addressed this:

Whose voice did Christ say His sheep would hear:

viewtopic.php?p=1186540#p1186540

viewtopic.php?p=1186201#p1186201


You, yourself, state that you are not listening to the Son of God:

viewtopic.php?p=1185169#p1185169

[William]

[Replying to tam in post #210]

What do you mean by method?

This is one person (Christ) speaking to another person.

Still, we are one person speaking to another yes?

In this case we are invisible to each other and method has to be applied in order for communication to occur.

That is what I mean by method.

If you are rejecting the word, do you also avoid:

The idea that your practice could be examined as a process (how then can the spirit of it be tested?)

The possibility that you might have learned or developed a way of hearing

Any comparison between your approach and mine.

Could you maybe rephrase your question?

How do you test it? How do you know it is Christ? What is your standard if not scripture - and can you demonstrate that standard working?

Any message.

You are claiming that your testing method applies universally - can you demonstrate the method?

These conversations are AI generated, right?

No. It is a conversation between myself and the voice of Christ. Did you not ask The Lord but simply reply on your own assumption? How often would you say you do this with such?

but why would I want to talk (or listen) to AI instead of the real person?

Now that you understand - please use your method to tell us whether this is a genuine. if I am communicating with Christ - or what is the truth of the matter.

I listen to my Lord in the spirit.

I listen to The Lord in that manner as well. But what do we mean by that and is it the same thing? I submitted an example of a conversation had between the voice of Christ and myself, not as a simply unverifiable claim, but as a conversation verbatim.

Here it is again.

Me: Then there are even less traditional folk like myself who wonder what all that fuss is actually about anyway.
I have my own way of connecting to The Overarching Consciousness Field/VoC which emanates through the open human instrument.

OCF/VoC: The Father
viewtopic.php?p=1113007#p1113007

Me: Yes - I do indeed have my preferred type of interaction I am interested in re discussion with anyone...

OCF/VoC: Proverbs 3:5-6

Me: Trust in The Lord - indeed...that my path will be directed...this naturally includes that I must trust in myself that my trust in The Lord is going to bear fruit. And the more this is done the more the trust transforms into knowledge and knowledge into wisdom...

OCF/VoC: https://williamwaterstone.substack.com/p/mirror-mirror
Light the spark
“It's all about controlling the chaos innit”

Me: Yes - through understanding that chaos is an illusion because...The Lord directs...and thus controls...

OCF/VoC: A Mathematical Theory of Communication = Fearless
https://williamwaterstone.substack.com/ ... nd-reality
Learning

Me: By listening to what my Teachers teaches...there is no opportunity for fear therein...

I did not ask.

So what?

I have made a claim and produced a sample as evidence.

You have made the same claim and I have asked you for a sample as evidence.

Christ does not need to use another person (or thing) as a medium. He speaks Himself. Straight to people. His sheep listen to His voice.

And in this case, one of his sheep have shared content on said relationship and the other has not. No one is asking you to mediate between Christ and another. I am asking you simply for an example of a conversation.
Perhaps simply record the next conversation you have with Christ. It doesn't have to be any more than what I myself offered. Just an example which accompanies your claim and shows us more than what you claim alone shows us.

[OneJack]

Peace to you all,

[Replying to tam in post #210]

Also - Christ does not need to use another person (or thing) as a medium. He speaks Himself. Straight to people. His sheep listen to His voice.

This is a lie; anyone would be dead meat if Christ spoke to anyone with His real voice, which He did not use to the apostles; hence, the Son of God, per se, was created by the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb. The Son of God was the man to whom Christ, whose name is Jesus, manifested Himself to talk to and live with the apostles and disciples.

I'm just going to post links to some comments that have already addressed this:

Whose voice did Christ say His sheep would hear:

viewtopic.php?p=1186540#p1186540

viewtopic.php?p=1186201#p1186201


You, yourself, state that you are not listening to the Son of God:

viewtopic.php?p=1185169#p1185169

Let the utterance of the 'small still voice' spirit being tell us that Christ is not the Lord Jesus, the Almighty God, will you, tam? So far, only your opinion tells us that Christ is not the Lord Jesus.

[tam]

[Replying to William in post #214]

Peace to you William,

May I ask why you share these conversations?

[William]

[Replying to OneJack in post #211]

I posted that in response to what you have said [in words], verbatim, not to you personally, as William. It's about how the wisdom of the Lord, and the Lord Himself, may come to anyone in the right way, as God prescribed. Confirmation of this is, of course, to be executed by the Lord Himself, not by me; hence, the need of coming to the Lord, and calling on Him is inevitable if anyone wishes to talk to and speak with God for the truth. You have nothing to take from it since the same is nothing but a testimony to the reality of the existence of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Then you posted what you did for no particular reason at all and used the Lord's name to do so?

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #211]

I posted that in response to what you have said [in words], verbatim, not to you personally, as William. It's about how the wisdom of the Lord, and the Lord Himself, may come to anyone in the right way, as God prescribed. Confirmation of this is, of course, to be executed by the Lord Himself, not by me; hence, the need of coming to the Lord, and calling on Him is inevitable if anyone wishes to talk to and speak with God for the truth. You have nothing to take from it since the same is nothing but a testimony to the reality of the existence of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Then you posted what you did for no particular reason at all and used the Lord's name to do so?

What are the things, in essence, that you said in your post regarding the Lord's way of communication with us, people of the world today?

[William]

[Replying to William in post #214]

Peace to you William,

May I ask why you share these conversations?

Hi tam.

You asked me why I share my conversations. I do so for many reasons. In this case I do so as evidence which can be tested in a thread which asks questions about such things..."What would it take to convince us that the tale told was true?

In the case of the opening post, the focus is on the resurrection claims. But such questions can apply to anything claimed as true.

Like you and I claiming we converse with Christ.

[William]

[Replying to OneJack in post #218]

What are the things, in essence, that you said in your post regarding the Lord's way of communication with us, people of the world today?

There are no such things I said in my post.

I shared a sample of the type of conversation I have with Christ.

You replied with a comment pertaining to a prophetic utterance and when questioned about that, replied that it wasn't directed AT me personally and thus had nothing to do with anything I had posted.