Are the Jews Israel?
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Are the Jews Israel?
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Re: Are the Jews Israel?
Post #21In order to avoid the appearance of plagiarism, when you copy large blocks of text that you did not write, you should provide a reference to the original source. This seems to have been copied from Fulfilled Prophecy Identifies True Israel Peoples at Truth-Books.com. Where you can find interesting items on Biblical references prohibiting inter-racial marriage and separation of races and Jesus was not a Jew. Although, the same list, with identical numbering can be found at on Jack Mohr's site, without any source references. And The watchman's buffet. It appears that intellectual integrity is not a strong value among the adherents of Anglo-Israelism.christian1488 wrote: 1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.
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40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3.
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Re: Are the Jews Israel?
Post #22Goat wrote:This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.christian1488 wrote:I did...
QUESTION
Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?
I notice here when one ask a question or make a statement . Their are those who say ( Please rephrase question ) . What the reason if this ? Is this a way to belittle some one , Or is it that they can't answer the question unless it put to them a certain way to them . Now don't take this personal just a question ?
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Re: Are the Jews Israel?
Post #23His questions were not formulated in a way that was understandable easily. His first question.Malachi-Zede-El wrote:Goat wrote:This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.christian1488 wrote:I did...
QUESTION
Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?
I notice here when one ask a question or make a statement . Their are those who say ( Please rephrase question ) . What the reason if this ? Is this a way to belittle some one , Or is it that they can't answer the question unless it put to them a certain way to them . Now don't take this personal just a question ?
"Are the Jews Israel?", could be answered in thousands of different ways depending on what he meant by the terms. The request to rephrase was to seek more clarification on the terms involved in the question, not to belittle.
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According to the Scriptures !!! ( Part-one )
Post #24The word '' Israel ''Yisra'el , Pronounced Yis - Raw - Ale in Aramic ( Hebrew ) , And Israa'el In Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) means '' El Prevails '' , As if God could lose . In this case , The translation of Israel , Which would be '' God Prevail Or Won '' Is first used in Genesis 32 ; 28 As The Name Of Jacob ( Koran 2 ; 132 - 133 ) , Then as a Nation Koran ( 2 ; 47 - 53 ) In reference to Jacob , Son of Isaac , Son of Abraham , Who was running from his brother Esau in fear , For his life .
Genesis 32 ; 28 ( In Aramic ( Hebrew )
Wa ( And ) He Aw-Mar ( Said ) Your Shame ( Name ) Will Be Aw - Mar ( Uttered ) Lo ( No ) Ode ( Continued ) Yah - Aq - Obe ( ''Heel Holder Jacob ) , But Yis -Raw - Ale ( '' Ascend To El ' Israel ) ; Because As A Saw - Raw ( Power ) With Eloheem ( These Beings ) Wa ( And ) With En - Oshe ( Men Like Enosh ) , Wa ( And ) Has Yaw -Kole ( Prevalied ) .
And He The Eloheem Said , '' Your Name Will Be Uttered No More As ( Jacob ) , But As ( Israel ) '' Ascend To El '' ; Because As A Struggler With The Eloheem And With Enosite , And Has Prevailed
Mistranslation For King James 1611 A.D.
And He Said , Thy Name Shall Be Called No More ( Jacob ) , But ( Israel ) ; For As A Prince Hast Thou Power With God And With Men And Hast Prevailed .
Jacob ( 1918 - 1771 B.C.E ) Son Of Isaac And Rebekah ( Genesis 25 ; 26 ) .
Jacob was running from Esau . Because Of An Evil Act that he and his mother Rebekah commited , By stealing Esau's Birthright ( Genesis Chapter 27 ) , And deceiving their father Isaac . In his old age in Blindness ( Genesis 27 ; 1 ) .
Genesis 27 ; 1 ( Aramic Hebrew )
Wa ( And ) Yeh-He ( In Time ) That When Yis - Khawq ( Isaac ) Was Zaw - Qane ( An Elder ) Wa ( And ) His Ah' -Yeen ( Eyes ) Qaw -Haw ( Grow Weak ) So That He Could Not Raw - Aw ( See , Blind ) He Called Ay - Saww ( Esau ) His Gaw -Dole ( Great ) Bane ( Son ) Wa ( And ) Aw -Mar ( Said ) To Him , Bane ( My Son ) Wa ( And ) He Aw - Mar ' ( Said ) To Him , Hin -Nay ( Here ) , I Am .
Isaac In Time Became An Elder And His Eyes Became Weak So That He Could Not See , He Called For Esau His Oldest Son And Said To Him , '' My Son '' . And He Said To Him , '' Isaac This Is Me .
Mistranslation For King James 1611 A.D.
And It Came To Pass That When Isaac Was Old , And His Eyes Were Dim , So That He Could Not See , He Called Esau , His Eldest Son , And Said Unto Him , My Son ; And He Said Unto Him Behold , Here I Am .
Isaac ( 1978 - 1798 B.C.E ) Son Of Abraham And Sarah ( Genesis 17 ; 19 ) , Rebekah Daughter Of Bethu'el And Ziglaq ( Genesis 22 ; 23 ) ...
In the process of trying to Run From His Brother Esau , Jacob was stopped by what Followers Of The King Jame Bible , Called an Angel , That was Obviously In Human Form , In order for Jacob To Be Able To Wrestle With Him , And in Genesis 32 ; 24 , Jacob Wrestled with an '' Eesh - aramic - Meaning '' Male Living Being , Physical Man ; An Angel who Wrestled and caused Jacob's Thigh To Go Out Of Joint ( Genesis 32 ; 25 ) Before blessing him and changing his name from Jacob To Israel ( Genesis 32 ; 28 ) .
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Genesis 32 ; 28 ( In Aramic ( Hebrew )
Wa ( And ) He Aw-Mar ( Said ) Your Shame ( Name ) Will Be Aw - Mar ( Uttered ) Lo ( No ) Ode ( Continued ) Yah - Aq - Obe ( ''Heel Holder Jacob ) , But Yis -Raw - Ale ( '' Ascend To El ' Israel ) ; Because As A Saw - Raw ( Power ) With Eloheem ( These Beings ) Wa ( And ) With En - Oshe ( Men Like Enosh ) , Wa ( And ) Has Yaw -Kole ( Prevalied ) .
And He The Eloheem Said , '' Your Name Will Be Uttered No More As ( Jacob ) , But As ( Israel ) '' Ascend To El '' ; Because As A Struggler With The Eloheem And With Enosite , And Has Prevailed
Mistranslation For King James 1611 A.D.
And He Said , Thy Name Shall Be Called No More ( Jacob ) , But ( Israel ) ; For As A Prince Hast Thou Power With God And With Men And Hast Prevailed .
Jacob ( 1918 - 1771 B.C.E ) Son Of Isaac And Rebekah ( Genesis 25 ; 26 ) .
Jacob was running from Esau . Because Of An Evil Act that he and his mother Rebekah commited , By stealing Esau's Birthright ( Genesis Chapter 27 ) , And deceiving their father Isaac . In his old age in Blindness ( Genesis 27 ; 1 ) .
Genesis 27 ; 1 ( Aramic Hebrew )
Wa ( And ) Yeh-He ( In Time ) That When Yis - Khawq ( Isaac ) Was Zaw - Qane ( An Elder ) Wa ( And ) His Ah' -Yeen ( Eyes ) Qaw -Haw ( Grow Weak ) So That He Could Not Raw - Aw ( See , Blind ) He Called Ay - Saww ( Esau ) His Gaw -Dole ( Great ) Bane ( Son ) Wa ( And ) Aw -Mar ( Said ) To Him , Bane ( My Son ) Wa ( And ) He Aw - Mar ' ( Said ) To Him , Hin -Nay ( Here ) , I Am .
Isaac In Time Became An Elder And His Eyes Became Weak So That He Could Not See , He Called For Esau His Oldest Son And Said To Him , '' My Son '' . And He Said To Him , '' Isaac This Is Me .
Mistranslation For King James 1611 A.D.
And It Came To Pass That When Isaac Was Old , And His Eyes Were Dim , So That He Could Not See , He Called Esau , His Eldest Son , And Said Unto Him , My Son ; And He Said Unto Him Behold , Here I Am .
Isaac ( 1978 - 1798 B.C.E ) Son Of Abraham And Sarah ( Genesis 17 ; 19 ) , Rebekah Daughter Of Bethu'el And Ziglaq ( Genesis 22 ; 23 ) ...
In the process of trying to Run From His Brother Esau , Jacob was stopped by what Followers Of The King Jame Bible , Called an Angel , That was Obviously In Human Form , In order for Jacob To Be Able To Wrestle With Him , And in Genesis 32 ; 24 , Jacob Wrestled with an '' Eesh - aramic - Meaning '' Male Living Being , Physical Man ; An Angel who Wrestled and caused Jacob's Thigh To Go Out Of Joint ( Genesis 32 ; 25 ) Before blessing him and changing his name from Jacob To Israel ( Genesis 32 ; 28 ) .
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Re: Are the Jews Israel?
Post #25Are you an Anglo-Israelism adherent?McCulloch wrote:In order to avoid the appearance of plagiarism, when you copy large blocks of text that you did not write, you should provide a reference to the original source. This seems to have been copied from Fulfilled Prophecy Identifies True Israel Peoples at Truth-Books.com. Where you can find interesting items on Biblical references prohibiting inter-racial marriage and separation of races and Jesus was not a Jew. Although, the same list, with identical numbering can be found at on Jack Mohr's site, without any source references. And The watchman's buffet. It appears that intellectual integrity is not a strong value among the adherents of Anglo-Israelism.christian1488 wrote: 1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.
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40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3.
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Re: Are the Jews Israel?
Post #26christian1488 wrote: 1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.
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40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3.
McCulloch wrote: In order to avoid the appearance of plagiarism, when you copy large blocks of text that you did not write, you should provide a reference to the original source. This seems to have been copied from Fulfilled Prophecy Identifies True Israel Peoples at Truth-Books.com. Where you can find interesting items on Biblical references prohibiting inter-racial marriage and separation of races and Jesus was not a Jew. Although, the same list, with identical numbering can be found at on Jack Mohr's site, without any source references. And The watchman's buffet. It appears that intellectual integrity is not a strong value among the adherents of Anglo-Israelism.
No, I am not. But let me add an observation and an apology.christian1488 wrote: Are you an Anglo-Israelism adherent?
The observation that I had made is that the people on-line who are promoting Anglo-Israelism appear to be intellectually dishonest. The convention is that when you copy large block of text from a source that you did not write and post it somewhere else, you should identify the source. Otherwise your readers may think that you wrote it. Since I can find multiple instances of these forty points on the web, none of them listing their source, I conclude that there is a pattern of intellectual dishonesty among those people promoting this doctrine.
However, I am guilty of the fallacy of an ad hominem argument. Just because these people are ignorant of intellectual conventions and mindlessly copy lists of points in their arguments, does not necessarily mean that they are wrong. A stopped clock is right two times a day.
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Re: Are the Jews Israel?
Post #27james.hoggatt wrote:His questions were not formulated in a way that was understandable easily. His first question.Malachi-Zede-El wrote:Goat wrote:This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.christian1488 wrote:I did...
QUESTION
Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?
I notice here when one ask a question or make a statement . Their are those who say ( Please rephrase question ) . What the reason if this ? Is this a way to belittle some one , Or is it that they can't answer the question unless it put to them a certain way to them . Now don't take this personal just a question ?
"Are the Jews Israel?", could be answered in thousands of different ways depending on what he meant by the terms. The request to rephrase was to seek more clarification on the terms involved in the question, not to belittle.
Thankyou for your answer , I see it as Straight to the point . Meaning yes or no , Then explain why '' Yes / No .
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Where The Descendats Before Abraham Hebrew Israelites ?
Post #28christian1488 wrote:How come the Jews do not fulfill the marks of Israel?Goat wrote:This question totally misconstrues what is meant by 'chosen people'. The term 'chosen people' is taken by the Jewish faith that they are 'chosen' for special responsibilities from God.. not chosen for special privileges. there is the old Jewish joke about wishing that God would choose someone else for a change.christian1488 wrote:I did...
QUESTION
Are the Jews the chosen people of God,chosen Israel that many mainstream Christian Churches preach and teach?
Or are the chosen people of God NOT Jews?
the word Jew is not even mentioned in the first five books of the Bible(torah)
They Will Lie And Say '' Yes '' They Were '' , When They're Wrong .
I Mean These People ;
Adam ~ Genesis 2 ; 19 .
Eve ~ Genesis 3 ; 20 ,
Cain ~ Son Of Adam And Eve ~ Genesis 4 ; 1
Abel ~ Son Of Adam And Eve ~ Genesis 4 ; 2
Enoch ~ Son Of Jared ~ Genesis 4 ; 17
Lamech ~ Son Of Methuselah Genesis 4 ; 18
Seth ~ Son Of Adam And Eve ~ Genesis 4 ; 25
Enos ~ Son Of Seth ~ Genesis 4 ; 26
Cainan ~ Son Of Enos ~ Genesis 5 ; 9
Mahalaleel ~ Son Of Cainan ~ Genesis 5 ; 12
Jared ~ Son Of Mahaleel ~ Genesis 5 ; 15
Methuselah ~ Son Of Enoch ~ Genesis 5 ; 21
Noah ~ Son Of Lamech ~ Genesis 5 ; 29
Ham ~ Son Of Noah ~ Genesis 5 ; 32
Shem ~ Son Of Noah ~ Genesis 5 ; 32
Japheth ~ Son Of Noah ~ Genesis 5 ; 32
Elam ~ Son Of Shem ~ Genesis 10 ; 22
Asshur ~ Son Of Shem ~ Genesis 10 ; 22
Arphaxad ~ Son Of Shem ~ Genesis 10 ; 22
Lud ~ Son Of Shem ~ Genesis 10 ; 22
Aram ~ Son Of Shem ~ Genesis 10 ; 22
Salah ~ Son Of Arphaxad ~ Genesis 10 ; 13
Eber ~ Son Of Salah ~ Genesis 10 ; 21
Peleg ~ Son Of Eber ~ Genesis 11 ; 16
Reu ~ Son Of Peleg ~ Genesis 11 ; 18
Serug ~ Son Of Reu ~ Genesis 11 ; 20
Nahow ~ Son Of Serug ~ Genesis 11 ; 22
Terah ~ Son Of Nahor ~ Genesis 11 ; 24
What was The Religion Of These People ? All Of These People Were Before Abraham ( Genesis 17 ; 5 ) So They Were Not Hebrew . So What Were They ? And They Are Not The Children Of Israel ; The Children Of Israel Would Be The Children Of Jacob Because Based On Genesis 32 ; 28 , Jacob's Name Was Change To Israel And Anyone Who Was Born Before That Was Not Of The Children Of Jacob , Thus They Could Not Have Been Israelites .
As I Explained . The First Time Out Of The 2,293 Time '' Israel '' Appears Is In Genesis 32 ; 28 And It Refers To Somebody Changing Jacob's Name To Iseael . The Next Time It Appears Is In The Same Chapter , In Genesis 32 ; 32 , And You Get The Children Of Israel . This Is Talking About Jacob's Children Only . ( His Immediate Family ) .
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Re: Where The Descendats Before Abraham Hebrew Israelites ?
Post #29Adam; Eve; Cain, son of Adam and Eve; Abel, son of Adam and Eve; Enoch, son of Jared; Lamech, son of Methuselah; Seth, son of Adam and Eve; Enos, son of Seth; Cainan, son of Enos; Mahalaleel, son of Cainan; Jared, son of Ahaleel; Methuselah, son of Enoch; Noah, son of Lamech; Ham, son of Noah; Shem, son of Noah; Japheth, son of Noah; Elam, son of Shem; Asshur, son of Shem; Arphaxad, son of Shem; Lud, son of Shem; Aram, son of Shem; Salah, son of Arphaxad; Eber, son of Salah; Peleg, son of Eber; Reu, son of Peleg; Serug, son of Reu; Nahow, son of Serug; Terah, son of Nahor;
We are debating in an apologetics forum, therefore there is no a priori presumption that the Bible record is true. All of these people are from the Jewish creation myths and have no basis in historical fact. So, in that sense, they are Jewish in the same sense that Ask and Embla are Norse. Of course, if you read the myths as history, then these people were the forerunners of the Jews and other Semitic and non-Semitic peoples.
What then was the religion of these hypothetical people? Presumably, they knew and worshiped the One God, same as the Jews, but they did not have the same covenant. They would have had the seven laws of Noah.
Now, according to the same sources, who is Israel? Of course, Israel is the people descended from Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham. According to tradition he had twelve sons and one daughter by his four wives and concubines:[row]by Leah [col]Reuben (1); Simeon (2); Levi (3); Judah (4); Issachar (9); Zebulun (10); Dinah (D)[row]by Rachel [col]Joseph (11); Benjamin (12)[row]by Bilhah (Rachel's servant) [col]Dan (5); Naphtali (6)[row]by Zilpah (Leah's servant) [col]Gad (7); Asher (8)
Joseph's two sons Mannasseh and Ephraim were counted as patriarchs of one tribe each.
When the United Monarchy of Israel split, the northern portion became known as the Kingdom of Israel and the southern portion became known as the Kingdom of Judah (consisting of the Tribe of Judah, the Tribe of Simeon, the Tribe of Benjamin and some of the people of the Tribe of Levi). The Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrian Empire in about 720 BCE. They disappeared from Biblical and all other historical accounts after the kingdom was destroyed, and became known as the ten lost tribes. There has been much speculation but little factual evidence regarding their eventual fate.
For the post-exilic period, beginning in the 5th century BCE, the remnants of the Israelites came to be referred to as Jews, named for the kingdom of Judah.
We are debating in an apologetics forum, therefore there is no a priori presumption that the Bible record is true. All of these people are from the Jewish creation myths and have no basis in historical fact. So, in that sense, they are Jewish in the same sense that Ask and Embla are Norse. Of course, if you read the myths as history, then these people were the forerunners of the Jews and other Semitic and non-Semitic peoples.
What then was the religion of these hypothetical people? Presumably, they knew and worshiped the One God, same as the Jews, but they did not have the same covenant. They would have had the seven laws of Noah.
Now, according to the same sources, who is Israel? Of course, Israel is the people descended from Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham. According to tradition he had twelve sons and one daughter by his four wives and concubines:
When the United Monarchy of Israel split, the northern portion became known as the Kingdom of Israel and the southern portion became known as the Kingdom of Judah (consisting of the Tribe of Judah, the Tribe of Simeon, the Tribe of Benjamin and some of the people of the Tribe of Levi). The Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrian Empire in about 720 BCE. They disappeared from Biblical and all other historical accounts after the kingdom was destroyed, and became known as the ten lost tribes. There has been much speculation but little factual evidence regarding their eventual fate.
For the post-exilic period, beginning in the 5th century BCE, the remnants of the Israelites came to be referred to as Jews, named for the kingdom of Judah.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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Re: Where The Descendats Before Abraham Hebrew Israelites ?
Post #30What do you say happened to the Israel group who were taken into Assyrian Captivity?McCulloch wrote:Adam; Eve; Cain, son of Adam and Eve; Abel, son of Adam and Eve; Enoch, son of Jared; Lamech, son of Methuselah; Seth, son of Adam and Eve; Enos, son of Seth; Cainan, son of Enos; Mahalaleel, son of Cainan; Jared, son of Ahaleel; Methuselah, son of Enoch; Noah, son of Lamech; Ham, son of Noah; Shem, son of Noah; Japheth, son of Noah; Elam, son of Shem; Asshur, son of Shem; Arphaxad, son of Shem; Lud, son of Shem; Aram, son of Shem; Salah, son of Arphaxad; Eber, son of Salah; Peleg, son of Eber; Reu, son of Peleg; Serug, son of Reu; Nahow, son of Serug; Terah, son of Nahor;
We are debating in an apologetics forum, therefore there is no a priori presumption that the Bible record is true. All of these people are from the Jewish creation myths and have no basis in historical fact. So, in that sense, they are Jewish in the same sense that Ask and Embla are Norse. Of course, if you read the myths as history, then these people were the forerunners of the Jews and other Semitic and non-Semitic peoples.
What then was the religion of these hypothetical people? Presumably, they knew and worshiped the One God, same as the Jews, but they did not have the same covenant. They would have had the seven laws of Noah.
Now, according to the same sources, who is Israel? Of course, Israel is the people descended from Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham. According to tradition he had twelve sons and one daughter by his four wives and concubines:Joseph's two sons Mannasseh and Ephraim were counted as patriarchs of one tribe each.[row]by Leah [col]Reuben (1); Simeon (2); Levi (3); Judah (4); Issachar (9); Zebulun (10); Dinah (D)[row]by Rachel [col]Joseph (11); Benjamin (12)[row]by Bilhah (Rachel's servant) [col]Dan (5); Naphtali (6)[row]by Zilpah (Leah's servant) [col]Gad (7); Asher (8)
When the United Monarchy of Israel split, the northern portion became known as the Kingdom of Israel and the southern portion became known as the Kingdom of Judah (consisting of the Tribe of Judah, the Tribe of Simeon, the Tribe of Benjamin and some of the people of the Tribe of Levi). The Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrian Empire in about 720 BCE. They disappeared from Biblical and all other historical accounts after the kingdom was destroyed, and became known as the ten lost tribes. There has been much speculation but little factual evidence regarding their eventual fate.
For the post-exilic period, beginning in the 5th century BCE, the remnants of the Israelites came to be referred to as Jews, named for the kingdom of Judah.
Did they disappear off the face of the earth?
They didn't return to their homeland....
They are not the Jews of today....
Assyrian Captivities
In the ninth year of Hoshea, the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes. (2 Kings 17:6)
The first archaeological evidence to establish a chronological link in the contacts between Assyria and Israel are found on inscriptions on the side of a limestone stele found at Nimrud, known as the "Black Obelisk." The stone was inscribed with the records of Shalmaneser the third and an illustration of the Israelite king Jehu bringing tribute to the Assyrian king. An inscription above the illustration says:
"This is Jehu (Iaua), the son of Khumri (Omri)."
Omri in Hebrew begins with the consonant, "Agin," formerly called "Gayin" which was pronounced with a guttural "H," that is "Gh" or "Kh." The Israelites would have naturally pronounced Omri as "Ghomri" which became "Khumri" in Assyrian.
As this inscription was executed nearly a century before the captivity of Israel, we know now the reason secular historians found no mention of the exiled Israelites in ancient records. It was simply because the Assyrians who took the Israelites captive did not call them by that name. Historians are now aware of the fact that the Gamira were the same people, who, about 30 years later, during the reign of Esarhaddon, king of Assyria, again were called Gimira. (Notice the slight changes in spelling).
We find in another and later Assyrian tablet that in the second year of the reign of this same king, which would be about 679 B.C., the Gimira, under a leader named "Teuspa," sought freedom by moving north; but the Assyrain army pursued and defeated them in the upper Euphrates district. Nevertheless, they reported a large number of the lsraelites escaped to the shores of the Black Sea. The Greeks also recorded the same activity including an invasion of Sardis, the capital of Lydia, in 645 B.C. In their records they refer to the Gamira as "Kimmerioi," which we translate into English as "Cimmerian."
About 600 B.C. the Lydians drove the Gamira, or Cimmerians, out of Asia Minor, where they settled in the Carpathian regions west of the Black Sea. We find them called in the second book of Esdras, the people of Ar-Sareth (2 Esdras 13:40-44).
We now also know what happened to the larger body of Gamira or Israelites, that did not escape the Assyrians. They formed an alliance with Esarhaddon, the king, when he came under attack of the Medes and the Persians.
This treaty allowed the Israelites to establish colonies in Sacasene in the north and Bactria in the east. With absolutely no help from the Israelites, Assyria fell in 612 B.C. Soon the Israelites themselves came under attack by the Medes.
Now those that had settled in Sacasene moved north through the Dariel Pass into the steppe regions of south Russia. There they became known by the Greek name, "Scythians."
The Israelites that had settled in Bactria were forced north and east, and in the records of the Persians they were called Massagetae and Sakka.
Archeology has solved two of the greatest archeological problems: First, what happened to the hundreds of thousands of Israelites who disappeared south of the Caucasus; and second, what was the origin of the Cimmerians and the mysterious nomadic tribes, known as Scythians, who suddenly appeared north of the Caucasus - both at the same time in history. They were one and the same people. They were Israelites. Now may I point out what the Bible has to say concerning these same people:
"For lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth" (Amos 9:9).
Our history books pick up the story at this point, recording the westward migrations of the Scythians, as they came into collision with the Cimmerians, who had earlier settled west of the Black Sea. Their kinship lost over the centuries, the ensuing battles forced the Cimmerians west and north to become the Celts, Gauls, and Cimbri. By the end of the fourth century B.C., the Scythians had established themselves as the great and prosperous kingdom of Scythia.
Later, the Sarmatians, these were a mixed, non- Israelitish people of Iranian origin. They in turn drove the Scythians northwest to the shores of the Baltic Sea. At this time in history, we find the Romans introduced the name "Germans" in place of the name Scythians, in order not to confuse the Scythians with the Sarmatians, who now occupied Scythia. Germanus, being the Latin name for "genuine," indicates the Germans were the genuine Scythians.
During this time the Celts were expanding in all directions from central Europe. Some of the Celts invaded Italy and sacked Rome in 390 B.C. Another group moved back into Asia Minor, in 280 B.C., and the Greeks called them "Galatians," as they did another group of Celts that had settled in Gaul, or modern France. This also indicates that Paul's letters to the Galatians were written to his kinsmen Israelites, or at least descendants of the earlier Galatians.
Some of the Celts moved into Spain and became known as Iberes, the Gaelic name for "Hebrews." Others poured into Britain to form the bedrock of the British race. Later, the Iberes moved into Ireland as Scots, and later into Northern Britain to establish the nation of Scotland.
Your history books also record the Germanic tribes breaking up into many divisions - the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, and Vikings, to name just a few. Other Germanic tribes later poured into the lands vacated by the Celts and established the Gothic nations of the Vandals, Lombards, Franks, Burgundians, and others.
The so-called "lost tribes of Israel" really, were never lost. They only lost their identity as they migrated westward over the centuries from the land of their captivity.
(End of interview with Capt)
Pastor Emry: And there you have it, my friends. Mr. Capt has given us an answer to our question: "What happened to the millions of Israelites who were dispersed out of old Canaanland 7 centuries before Christ, and who never returned?
They migrated onto the continent of Europe and were the ancestors of the white, European race. And in answering our one question about Israel's disappearance, Mr. Capt has given us the key to several other mysteries of world history.
Mr. Capt has revealed to us why it was these people of Europe who became the great nations, and who were blessed by God above all other nations, not only with fertile land and abundance from the seas, but with arts, science, literature, inventions. and discovery.
God bestowed upon that one race almost every invention and discovery that has improved man's condition and lot upon the earth. Certainly. God made these offspring of Abraham a blessing to all the families of the earth.
Mr. Capt has answered another question which is often asked of ministers, but seldom answered:
"Why, of all the people of the earth, has it been only this white Caucasian race, these so-called 'Gentiles,' who have claimed Jesus Christ as their God, and who have taken the Bible as the foundation of their religion?"
The answer:
the truth which is avoided and even denied by the clergy is simple. These people are the Israelites, the children of Abraham, God's chosen people. And that explains why every true gospel preacher and missionary for Jesus Christ for over 1,900 years has been of this one race. They are dispersed Israel, fulfilling Bible prophecy even while blindness in part is upon them, blindness of their own identity as the Chosen of God.
Biblical promises have become historical facts. In the Old Testament God had promised to regather divorced Israel unto Himself:
My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them. For thus saith the Lord God; Behold I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out (Ezekiel 34:6,11).
Jesus made it plain He was the instrument of Israel's return to God:
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost (Luke 19:10).
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24).
The word "lost" appears 13 times in the New Testament in relation to Israel. The Greek word means "put away and punished." So Jesus was saying in Matthew 15:24, "I am not sent but unto the put away and punished house of Israel." In Matthew 10:6, Jesus instructed His disciples to go to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
In Luke 1, Zacharias the priest, who was John the Baptist's father, said that Jesus came to redeem His people and . . . To perform the mercy promised to our [Israel] fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham (Luke 1:72, 73).
Paul, an Israelite, wrote to Israelites in the dispersion in Galatia:
When the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law... (Galatians 4:4, 5).
Only the Israelites had been under the law. Romans 15 and verse 8 says:
"...Jesus Christ was a minister for the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers." (Romans 15:8).
These promises, as we have seen, were of great national development, a great increase in numbers, blessings of the earth and of the sea, that God would be their God, and they would be His people.
After the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, His disciples carried the good news to dispersed Israel in Europe, beginning what we know as the Christian era. For 1500 more years Israel remained in Europe, continuing to grow in numbers as God had promised their Fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

ISRAEL IN EUROPE BEFORE CHRIST

ISRAEL-GAMERA-GIMERA-KHUMRI-KIMMEROII-CIMMERIANS-SCYTHIANS
http://www.israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIs ... omise.html - HEIRS OF THE PROMISE
The 1905 JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, Vol. 21, page 249 reads: "If the Ten Tribes have disappeared, they must exist UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME." Again, they must be a people NOT called "Jews."

