Anglo-Israelism.

[McCulloch]

For debate:

1. Is there any evidence to support the idea that the people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel?
2. Are there any linguistic links between the Hebrew language and English, Welsh, Cornish or Manx?
3. Could the British Royal Family be directly descended from the line of King David?
4. Is it possible that the Stone of Jacob (Genesis 28:18) is the Stone of Scone, used for centuries in the coronation of the monarchs of Scotland, later British monarchs? Do the British Empire and the American republic feature in Jewish or Christian prophetic literature?
5. Is mixed-race marriage a sin?

[christian1488]

The word '' Hebrew '' , In Aramic , Is the word Ibriy which comes from the root word Abar , Which means ; '' To Cross Over , To Pass Over '' . In the Aramic ( Hebrew ) language . In Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) , The word 'Aabiyr , For '' Eber '' , Means '' The One Who Passes Over '' . It gets the same meaning as the tirle '' Hebrew '' - One Who Traverse and Ebra , Meaning '' To Traverse ; To Expound '' . '' Traversing '' As used in the person to whom the name was given first , Was Eber , Son of Salah , Son of Shem , Son of Noah , As found in Genesis 10 ; 21 . < Noah ( 2970 - 2020 B.C.E. ) Son Of Lamech And Kamilah ( Genesis 5 ; 29
, Shem ( 2470 - 1870 B.C.E. ) Son Of Noah And Namah ( Genesis 5 ; 32 ) ....

The name Eber , Also Abar , Ay -Ber and Heber , Means '' The Region Beyond '' , From this you get the derivative of Eber , Hebrew , To mean '' One Who Crossed From Beyond One Region To Another '' Or Simply '' To Cross Over '' ,

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3

Yes, that confirms what was written. Languages evolved, and the term 'Jew' evolved from the term 'Judah, one of the tribes that made up the nation of Israel, and the providence where Jerusalem was located. I don't think you know what your point actually means, particularly since you are taking it out of context.

The word "Jew" is a relatively modern invention used, seemingly indiscriminately and interchangeably, by 18th century redactors to describe Israelites, Judahites and Judaeans. It first appeared in these eighteenth century Bibles and it first appears within these redactions in 2 Kings 16:6 .... in an episode that describes a war between Israel and Judah: when Rezin, king of Syria and Pekah, king of Israel went to war with wicked Ahaz, king of Judah. The Syrians "drave the Jews from Elath" who were in possession of it and so here is the first time that the inhabitants of the kingdom of Judah are called "Jews" when more properly they should be called Judahites. However, the point here is this: the very first time the word "Jew" is found in the modern Bible, they are at war with Israel.

http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/or ... d_jew.html - Origin of the word Jew

The Jews are not Israel.

Ah yes.. let's look at other articles in your source.

Planned Reduction of the World Population (taken from the anti-semetic forgery "the protocols of Zion)

The Protocols of the (Learned) Elders of Zion: The Secret Societies Blueprint for World Empire

Armageddon Theology: Christian Zionism's Heartfelt Desire for Apocalypse

Illuminati: Modern Manifestation of the Ancient Cult of Evil

That source looks to be totally paranoid , insane, anti-everything, and just plain out hateful.

Do you really want to use them as a source?

http://www.israelect.com/reference/Will ... ordJew.htm - Origin of the word Jew

[christian1488]

I know that it must have slipped Christian1488's mind, but the posted essay about the Stone of Destiny was written by Bertrand L. Comparet, not Christian1488.

From http://www.firstchurchoftheinternet.org ... leland.htm:

• Bertrand L. Comparet was a native Californian, born in San Diego. He was graduated from Stanford University with the degree of Bachelor of Arts and Juris Doctor. He was admitted to the California Supreme Court or California Bar in 1926 and by the United States Supreme Court in 1956. From 1926 to 1932 he was a Deputy District Attorney in San Diego County and from 1942 to 1947 was Deputy City Attorney for the City of San Diego. Since that time he has been in private law practice. Pastor Bertrand L. Comparet started teaching in 1933 and continued for over 40 years. He returned to the Father in August of 1983. If you do an Internet search on "Bertrand Comparet" you will find many of his sermons.

The stone taken by Edward I of England to Westminster has been proven by geologists to be a "lower Old Red Sandstone" quarried in the vicinity of Scone.

The stone of Destiny

In the Coronation Chair in Westminster Abbey, in London, is an oblong block of sandstone, upon which all of England's kings have been crowned for several centuries. Before that the kings of Scotland and before that the kings of Ireland were also crowned upon this stone. This is another bit of evidence and piece of the puzzle that proves the identity of the Anglo-Saxon people as the Israel of the Bible and that the House of David still rules over them fulfilling the prophecy that David would never lack a seed to rule over the House of Israel until Jesus the Christ came to take the crown himself.

This is an odd argument indeed. A coronation stone sourced as far as we can tell, in Scottish geography, used in the coronation of Celtic monarchs can hardly be used to prove an Anglo-Saxon link to the Davidic line.

The English are the Tribe of Ephraim, descended from one of Joseph's sons.

This has not been established. The English originated from the Angles and the Saxons, both Germanic peoples. The tribe of Ephriam was a Semitic people.

When I spoke to you on "What Jeremiah Planted", I told you how Jeremiah and the daughters of the last King of Judah Zedekiah, were taken to Egypt with the refugees; But in order to fulfill God's prophecy that Jeremiah was also "to build and to plant", Jeremiah had to leave Egypt and take the princess to where another Israelite kingdom was then in existence, in Ireland.

Hold on a minute! Please present some historical evidence that there were any Israelite refugees in Ireland in the fifth century BCE.

The ancient Irish records record the coming of "the Great Prophet, Brugh, his scribe, (obviously Baruch) and the daughter of a king, about 583 B.C., which would be the correct date; and that with them they brought the "Wonderful Stone," or "Stone of Destiny."

Please cite these ancient Irish records. Brugh is not obviously Baruch.

JEREMIAH IN IRELAND

PROOF FROM THE BIBLE AND THE IRISH ANNALS

By

John E Wall

ONE of the most beloved stories of traditional literature written by those who support the modern identity of the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel is the story of the coming of the prophet Jeremiah to Ireland. According to this story shortly after c. 586 BCE when Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, conquered Jerusalem, Jeremiah the prophet, accompanied by his scribe Baruch, and the daughters of Zedekiah, the last king of Judah, fled that country and for a short time resided in Egypt. From there they took ship to Ireland, where one of the daughters married Eochaidh the high king (heremon or ard ri) of Ireland. A variation says that the marriage took place in Jerusalem. The royal couple governed the Emerald Isle from their capital at Tara in County Meath. Jeremiah, at that time an old man, was also reputed to have established a sort of ministerial training college at Tara. He became a revered figure in Irish legend.

Over the course of the centuries the royal line established at Tara was transferred from Ireland to Scotland to England where it survives today in the person of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. A wondrous stone, variously called the Stone of Destiny, Stone of Scone, or Coronation Stone, upon which Her Majesty and her predecessors on the thrones of the three kingdoms were crowned, thought to be the stone that the patriarch Jacob slept on at Bethel (Genesis 28:18-22) was also believed to have been brought to Ireland by Jeremiah.

It is claimed that the story of Jeremiah coming to Ireland can be found in the ancient annals, histories and other literature of the Irish, and indeed references to it abound in the works written by traditional Ten Tribes scholars, especially 19th- century writers. Yet rarely, if ever, do these writers point to any specific history in which this tale may be found, vague references to Irish annals usually being made. A few examples will suffice:

One authority states that Irish historians are unanimous that about 580 B.C. there arrived in Ulster a notable man [Jeremiah], a patriarch or saint, accompanied by an Eastern princess, and a lesser person by the name of Simon Brach or Barech.(I)

Further that, Irish tradition tells us that Jeremiah married the princess Tamar Tephi to Eochaidh king of Ireland.(2)

However, the historians are not named, nor is any particular tradition cited.

Another writer says that The ancient records of Ireland bear ample testimony to this [Jeremiahs coming to Ireland] as an historic fact, not only recording the event itself, but also supplying confirmatory evidence by giving the actual date or period of their arrival correctly.(3)

Again, disappointingly, this author does not name the ancient records in which the Jeremiah story may be found; rather we read phrases such as, the records conclude .. .(4) and The royal records state .. . .(5)

He dates the coming of Jeremiah to Ireland at late in 583 BCE or early 582 BCE.

The closest that any writer comes to naming names is a contemporary author and archaeologist, E. Raymond Capt. In his book, Jacobs Pillar: A Biblical Historical Study, Capt makes reference to The Chronicles of Eri, The Annals of the Kingdom of Ireland by the Four Masters, The Annals of Clonmacnoise, and The Chronicles of Scotland. He quotes briefly from the latter and gives an extensive recounting of the entire Jeremiah legend in his notable book. However, like the learned writers cited above, Capt does not directly cite any passage in any ancient chronicle which explicitly mentions Jeremiah.(6)

This lack of corroboration of the Jeremiah legend has caused some to doubt the validity of the entire story.

But I will show in this article that Jeremiah is mentioned in the Irish annals and histories, albeit under another name. His Judahite ancestry and prophetic identity are clearly stated and even a brief physical description is given. His friend and amanuensis Baruch is also mentioned. Furthermore, I will name names and give the reader of this article the references by which he may corroborate the story himself.

First, however, in order to understand the proper chronological context of Jeremiahs coming to Ireland, a brief review of Irish history prior to his arrival is necessary.

HISTORY OF IRELAND PRIOR TO JEREMIAH

Admittedly, the history of this ancient land can at times be confusing. It is said that the Irish like nothing so much as a good story, and their willingness to romanticise and embellish has led to a certain confusion. On the other hand, it is not entirely their fault. Much of the blame can be laid at the feet of Catholic monks who altered the traditional Irish histories, or invented their own, in order to deliberately hide the Israelite ancestry of the Irish people. For instance, they attempted to portray the Irish as descendants of Magog, son of Japheth!

Irish history begins, as the history of every civilisation does, after the Flood of Noahs day. For three hundred years after that catastrophic event, Ireland was an uninhabited land. A claim to sovereignty over Ireland was made, according to historian Herman L. Hoeh who refers to Irish annals, by the Assyrian king Ninus, son of Bel, but the land was not colonised permanently.(7)

In c. 2069 BCE, again according to Hoeh who uses Geoffrey Keatings History of Ireland as his source, a Hebrew named Parthalon with his followers settled the land and established a kingdom, the country being divided into four parts after his death. The date, however, is open to some question. If the P-r-t in the name Partholan can be equated with the b-r-t of the Hebrew brit (covenant), then it is difficult to see how this would have referred to a descendant of Abraham, who had not yet even been born. Moreover, as one authority states, [t]he Partholanian (Parthalonian] story is clearly a variant of that of the eponymous ancestor of the British, Brutus [Greek: Peirithoos] the Trojan, with which it has been confused.(8) Brutus arrived in Britain c. 1103 BCE, according to one scholar. (9) Others claim an earlier date, c. 1149 BCE. If this is so, then the date of 2069 BCE is impossible. The same source quoted above claims that Parthalon was a Milesian (see below).

In any event, the Parthalonians, whoever they may have been, ruled Ireland intermittently until 1709 BCE, when a tragedy befell them at the hands of Phoenician Formorians. The island was then invaded by Nemedians from Scythia who lived in Ireland until 1492 BCE, being ruled by the Formorians for much of this period. A portion of the Nemedians escaped during their sojourn in the land and returned in 1492 BCE as the Fir-Bolgs.

In 1456 BCE, a contingent of the famous Tuatha (pronounced Too-ah) de Danaan (Tribe of Dan) arrived in Ireland and ruled for 440 years until 1016 BCE. A second contingent came in 1213 BCE during the days of Deborah and Barak (Judges 5:17). Finally, in 1016 BCE, toward the end of the reign of King David of Israel, another Hebrew people, the Milesians, descendants of Eber the Hebrew according to Hoeh, conquered the Danaan (Danites), forcing them to accept their rule. The kingdom of Ireland was then divided between the two sons of Milesius, Ebher and Ghede the Ereamhon (Heremon or Erimionn, or high king) and a capital was established at Tobrad, also known as Tea-mur, Tamhair, Teamhara, and now called Tara.

Throughout all these invasions the Irish have meticulously maintained the record of their kings. Lists of these kings can be found in Geoffrey Keatings History of Ireland, OFlahertys Ogygia, and A..-M.-H.-J. Stokviss Manuel dHistoire, volume II, pages 234-235.

For our purposes here, however, the royal line that most concerns us is that of Nemedh, reputed ancestor of the Hebrew people who invaded Ireland c. 1709 BCE. His royal descendants are listed in various sources, sometimes differently, yet they are important to our story, because it is in this genealogy whether always precisely accurate or not, that we find Jeremiah in Irish history, though under another name.

NEMEDIANS AND MILESIANS

Throughout this article, I have tried to pursue my objective, that of identifying Jeremiah in Irish history, in a manner that is easy for the reader to understand. The history of Ireland is confusing enough as it is without bringing in legends, fables, and tales of bravery and romance by the heroes of this Holy Land in the Atlantic. For this reason, I will confine myself to a discussion of Nemedh and his reputed descendants, one in particular whom I will identify with the Biblical Jeremiah.

Historian Geoffrey Keating, writing of the expedition of Nemedh to Ireland in thirty-four ships, with a crew of thirty in each ship(10) said that this party of colonisers was led by Nemedh and his four sons, Stain, Larbanel the Prophet, Anind and Fergus Leth-derg (Fergus of the Red Side).(11) In the Annals of Clonmacnoise, the same four sons are named, in a different order (the father is called Neuie McAgamemnon): with his foure sonns [camel Into Ireland out of Greece, his sonnes names alsoe were Sdarne, Jaruanell [Larbanel], the prophett, Fergus Leahderg, ... and Anynn [which] people Ruled Ireland 382 yeares.(12)

Another historical source, the Leabhar Gabhala (Book of Conquests) agrees, adding that Iarbanel the Prophet was a Nemedian chief. (Though Iarbanel is called a son of Nemedh, this need not literally be true. It simply means he is a descendant of Nemedh.) The account reads: Now as for Neimedh [Nemedh], he had four chiefs with him, Stain, Iarbanel the Prophet, Fergus Redside, and Ainnian. They were four sons of Neimedh.(l 3)

Still another account names Nemedh the ancestor of the Danaans. Keating writes, Some antiquarians say, that the nation, of whom we are now treating, were called Tuatha-De-Danaan, from Brian, Iuchar and Iucharba, the three sons of Dana, daughter of Delbaeth, son of Elathan, son of Niadh, son of Indae, son of Allae, son of Tath, son of Tabam, son of Enda or Enna, son of Beothach, son of Ibaath, son of Bathach, son of Iarbanel, son of Nemedh.(14)

We find an echo of this in the Leabhar Gabhala, naming the same names as above (except that Elathan is called the son of Delbaeth) and also that Larbanel the Prophet [is the], son of Neimedh [Nemedh], son of Agnoman.(15) (Agnoman is an obvious reference to Agamemnon, king of the Greek Mycenae, who led an expedition against the Trojans to recover Helen, wife of Agamemnons brother Menelaus, king of Sparta. See also Neuie McAgamemnon, above.)

Two other figures from Irish history, Bres of the Danaan and Nuadh Silver-Arm claim descent from Nemedh.(16) Iarbanel is mentioned in both genealogies as a son of Nemedh. The Milesians also figure into this tale, but more on that later.

All this need not be as confusing as it looks, as there is a common thread running through all these genealogies. Whether we speak of Nemedians, Fir-Bolgs (a branch of the Nemedians), Danaans, or Milesians, all these peoples were Hebrews. As the Nemedians preceded the other peoples, it is clear that the Irish historians have attempted to trace the lineage of their kings to this islands earliest Hebrew ancestors.

But still we have not identified Jeremiah in Irish history. Or have we? Actually, we have stumbled across his name several times already without recognising it. The next section will positively identify Jeremiah in the annals of ancient Ireland.

WHO WAS IARBANEL?

In all the genealogies of Nemedhs descendants, one name is met with consistently: Iarbanel the Prophet. Who was he? Where did he come from? Do the annals have anything to say about him that might be germane to our argument? Astoundingly, the Irish histories have several important things to say about Iarbanel, enough to answer the above questions. They give us the land of his birth (not Ireland), a brief physical description, and a description of his character. Yet, outside of Irish history, nothing seems to be known about him. I will demonstrate, however, that once we have established the identity of Iarbanel, a great deal is known about him.

Iarbanel is clearly stated to be a descendant (son of) Nemedh, the Hebrew chieftain. This obviously makes Larbanel also a Hebrew. Furthermore, Iarbanel is also unique in that he is called a prophet, the only one of Nemedhs descendants so called.

Nor is Larbanel the only name by which he is known in Irish history. He is also found in the Milesian story as well. Again, Keating, in his account of founders of a sort of school established by Fenius Farsa in Egypt after the Tower of Tahpanhes was abandoned. He writes, The three sages that held the chief direction of this great school were Fenius Farsa from Scythia; Gaedal, son of Ethor, of the race of Gomer, from Greece; and Caei, the Eloquent (or the Just), from Judea, or Iar (Iarbanel], son of Nemha [Nemedh], as others call him ....(17)

Notice that Larbanel, known here by the name Caei, is called an eloquent and a just man. Also note that he comes from Judea! As for the name Tahpanhes, this should be familiar to Bible students. The name is found in the book of Jeremiah: So they [a party of rebellious Jews, with faithful Jeremiah, his secretary Baruch, and King Zedekiahs daughters] came into the land of Egypt: for they (the Jews) obeyed not the voice of the Lord: thus they came even to Tahpanhes (Jeremiah 43:7). The Jewish refugees lived in Tahpanhes temporarily, and, according to legend, Jeremiah, his scribe, and the kings daughters left that place to continue their journey to Ireland.

But Irish historians have more to say about Iarbanel. Keating, quoting from the Leabhar Gabhala, gives us the following lines from a poem: The Fair Iarbanel, a prophet true, /Was son of Nemedh, son of Ardnaman- / To this gray hero, mighty in spells / Was born Beothach of wild steeds.(18)

Here Iarbanel is called fair (which may refer to lightness of skin or a mild and pacific temperament or a man of sympathy, deep feeling and justice), a prophet true (as opposed to a false prophet); a gray hero; and, mighty of spells, i.e., a miracle-worker.

What have we learned about Iarbanel so far? Firstly, he was a Hebrew, a true prophet, who came from Judea, during the time of Jeremiahs stay at Tahpanhes. He was an eloquent and a just man, fair of skin and/or temperament, an old man, considered a hero and a worker of miracles.

What do we know about Jeremiah? Firstly, he was a Hebrew, a true prophet (Jeremiah 1:5) coming from a priestly family (Jeremiah 1:1); he came from Judea (Anathoth in Judah, a town northeast of Jerusalem-Jeremiah 1:1). He spoke the word of the Lord often and eloquently, rising early (Jeremiah 7:13, 25; 25:3; 35:14), speaking of justice (Jeremiah 22:15; 23:5; 31:23; 50:7). His eloquence, given to Jeremiah by God Himself (Jeremiah 1:7, 9) is revealed in his words and in this admission from the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia that, As far as the form of his poetic utterances is concerned, Jeremiah is of a poetical nature. ... He often speaks in the meter of an elegy.(19) As for fair (in the temperamental sense) and just, the ISBE says that Jeremiah was, by nature, gentle and tender in his feelings, and sympathetic. (20)

At the time of his flight from Judea, Jeremiah would have been an old man. The ISBE says that At that time (the time of Jeremiahs stay at Tahpanhes] Jeremiah must have been from 70 to 80 years old.(21) After a long life in the Lords service, enduring many trials, a gray hero indeed.

The evidence brought forth from Irish history and the Bible favours the identification of Iarbanel with Jeremiah. But a nagging question remains: the name Iarbanel itself. What is its derivation and what does it mean?

At the beginning of this article I promised to actually name Jeremiah in the Irish annals. I will now do so. The name Jeremiah in Hebrew is Yirmeyahu, abbreviated to Yirmeyah. It means the Lord establishes. The beginning letters in the name are yod and resh. It is possible, in fact, on the basis of the evidence presented here, more than likely that the letters Lar in Larbanel are simply an abbreviation for the name Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah), a transliteration into the Irish tongue of the yod and resh of the prophets name. But what does the rest of the name larbanel mean-banel? With an elementary knowledge of Hebrew, the meaning is easy to discover. Ban is simply the Hebrew ben, meaning son of; el is the Hebrew El, meaning God. Remembering that Lar is a short form of the name Jeremiah, one can easily see that Iarbanel, translated from Hebrew to English is Iar ben El, or Jeremiah, the son of God!

As a true prophet of God, who had Gods Holy Spirit within him, Jeremiah could legitimately be called a son of God. The Lord Himself as much said so, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou carnest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations - (Jeremiah 1:5). As a sanctified one, i.e., one set apart for holy use and having the Spirit of God, Jeremiah certainly qualified as a saint.

Was Iarbanel also a saint? The Irish annals do not explicitly say so, but it can be assumed that for a just man who was a prophet true and mighty of spells, and whose name meant son of God, sainthood was at least a distinct possibility. It is interesting to note that the Irish word for saint is namh (pronounced nav), and that Iarbanel is said to be a son of Nemedh, also spelled Nemha. Is there a philological connection between Nemedh/Nemha and namh? More light on this question will be shed later, but for now let us note the opinion of Yair Davidy, a respected Israeli Ten Tribes researcher, who points out that, Nemha [Nemedh] (i.e. in Iar son of Nemha above) is from the same root as Nemedian and means sanctified (22) (emphasis mine). A sanctified person is a saint!

The evidence presented in this article leads to only one conclusion: that Iarbanel was Jeremiah. If one does not believe that Iarbanel was Jeremiah, then one is forced to believe that an amazing thing has happened. It has happened that a Hebrew prophet, a true prophet of the Lord in whom Gods Holy Spirit dwelt and was thus a son of God, who was a saint, who lived in Judea, who fled to Tahpanhes in Egypt with his secretary and friend Baruch and others, who was an eloquent speaker and a gentle man who preached justice, who was an old man and a worker of miracles, disappeared from the face of the earth.

At the same time in history there appeared in Ireland, a Hebrew prophet, whose name means son of God, a true prophet, who was considered a saint, who lived in Judea, who fled to Tahpanhes in Egypt, who had a son" named Brec, (23) who was an eloquent and a just man, who was an old man and mighty in spells, appeared on the scene, fully formed, literally out of nowhere.

If one does not believe that Iarbanel was Jeremiah, one must believe that this is all a coincidence.

The coincidence is impossible. Iarbanel was Jeremiah. It is a fact of history.

AN HONEST OBJECTION EXAMINED

Before leaving this subject however, it is only fair to mention that an alternative identity for Iarbanel has been proposed. In the third volume of his great trilogy on the identity of the Ten Tribes, Lost Israelite Identity, esteemed Israeli researcher Yair Davidy proposes that Iarbanel was Jar (or Yair) of Judah. He writes, Jar or Yair or Jair is recorded in the Bible as a descendant of Judah who settled in the land of Gilead of Machir in Menasseh (sic) (24) and furthermore that, Yair in the Bible was linked to both Judah and to Gilead of Menasseh (sic) east of the Jordan one of whose sons was Peresh (Separated or Sanctified) which name is identical with that of Nemha in Irish. (25)

There is no doubt that Jar (or Yair) existed and that he was also a Hebrew, and that he came from Judah or Judea. This he shares in common with Iarbanel, but that is where the similarity ends. Iar-Yair could not have been Iarbanel for the following reasons: Yair is nowhere in the Bible called a prophet as is Iarbanel in the Irish annals or Jeremiah in Scripture; he was not a saint nor was he sanctified; there is no evidence that he was eloquent of speech or particularly just as were Iarbanel and Jeremiah; he did not leave Judah to come to Egypt; he did not work miracles; he did not have a secretary/son named Baruch or Brec; he was not venerated in history as were both Iarbanel and Jeremiah.

Some will argue, however, that Davidys point concerning Yair being linked to both Judah and Gilead of Manasseh one of whose sons had a name meaning separated" or sanctified, indicates the identity of Iar-Yair-Jair with Iarbanel. But I will show that the true link exists, in both a physical and spiritual sense, not between Yair and Judah and/or Manasseh, but between Iarbanel-Jeremiah and Aaron, brother of Moses.

Let us remember that anciently son of need not represent a direct father-son relationship, but only a descendancy or even a spiritual relationship of a student to his spiritual teacher. Jeremiah was the son of [father-son relationship] of Hilkiah, of the priests that were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin (Jeremiah 1:1). Anathoth was a priestly town.

E. W. Bullinger in a note to Jeremiah 1:1 in his Companion Bible, in comparing the priestly lines of Eleazar and Ithamar says that Anathoth belonged to that [line] of Ithamar". This is not a common name in Scripture and only one man bears it. Ithamar is the fourth son of Aaron who founded a line of priests (I Chronicles 24:3, 6). It is obvious that if Jeremiahs father, Hilkiah, who lived in Anathoth, was of the line of Ithamar, son of Aaron, then this makes Jeremiah a descendant (son of) Aaron as well.

Is there any evidence from the Bible that Iarbanel-Jeremiah was the son of a Nemha (sanctified one) or a namh (saint)? Could such a description apply to Aaron? Certainly! The Bible confirms it. Aaron was consecrated as a priest of the Lord, separated, sanctified, and given the Holy Spirit of God. Speaking to Moses, God says that [thou] shalt anoint them [Aaron and his Sons], and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priests office (Exodus 28:41). See also Exodus 40:13, Numbers 3:3; 29:29.

Thus Iarbanel-Jeremiah was also a son of Nemha, namh, a sanctified one. Even more so, since the sanctification is a spiritual as well as a fleshly one; whereas in the case of Peresh (separated) only a tribal separation is implied. No spiritual or physical sanctification, both appropriate to a prophet, son of a priest, of a line of priests, can be inferred from the meaning of the name Peresh (who was not a priest in any case). Furthermore, namh has an applicability to Iarbanel-Jeremiah entirely lacking for Peresh.

CONCLUSION

The evidence is in. The conclusion is obvious. Iarbanel was Jeremiah. Contrary to the doubting opinions of some, Jeremiah is mentioned in the Irish annals, under another name.

This of course is not the total answer to all the mystery surrounding Jeremiah in Ireland. The question of Ollam Fodhla, variously called a prophet and a king in Irish history, needs to be explored. There are also questions that need to be answered concerning King Zedekiahs daughters allegedly taken to Ireland by Jeremiah, the identity of Eochaidh the Heremon, the whereabouts of the wondrous stone, harp, and ark which were also carried to Ireland by Jeremiah according to legend. But that is for further research and/or revelation.

For now, it needs only to be said that Jeremiah came to Ireland, as proven from Irish and Biblical history. His coming was part of the purpose of God for his people of Israel, a purpose ironically revealed every day, yet seen by few. Let us pray that with further research and revelation the few will one day become many.

NOTES AND REFERENCES

(1). Haberman, Frederick. Tracing OurAncestors. Bumaby, B.C., Canada: The Association of The Covenant People, 1934, p. 153.

(2). Ibid., p. 153.

(3). Fox, John S. The Worlds Greatest Throne. Burnaby, B.C., Canada: The Association of The Covenant People, n.d., p.23.

(4). Ibid.,p. 24.

(5). Ibid.,p. 24.

(6). Capt, E. Raymond, M.A.,A.I.A., F.R.S.A. (Scot.),Jacobs Pillar: A Biblical Historical Study. Thousand Oaks, Calif.: Artisan Sales, 1977.

(7). Hoeh, Herman L., Ph.D. Compendium of World History. Pasadena, Calif.: Ambassador College, 1963. See Volume I, Chapter 18. Much of my review of Irelands ancient history comes from Hoehs two-volume work on the ancient history of the world.

(8). Bible Research Handbook. London: Covenant Publishing Co. Ltd., 1946, Serial No. I 18a.

(9). Haberman, op. cit., p. 74.

(10). Keating, Geoffrey. The History of Ireland from the Earliest Period to the English Invasion. Translated by John OMahony, New York, 1866, p. 122.

(11). Keating, ibid., p. 122.

(12).Annals of Clonmacnoise, from the Creation to A.D. 1408. Translated by Conell MaGeoghagan, 1627. Edited by Denis Murphy. Dublin: University Press, 1896, p. 14.

(13). Leabhar Gabhala or the Book of the Conquests of Ireland. Michael OCleirigh (rec.). Dublin: University College, sec.44.

(14). Keating, op. cit., p. 140.

(15). Leabhar Gabhala, sec. 100.

(16). Leabhar Gabhala, secs. 106,107.

(17). Keating, pp. 155,166. The observant reader may object to my reference to the Tower of Tahpanhes in the story of Fenius Farsa, Gaedal, and Caei the Eloquent (or Caei the Just), as according to Keating the school was established after the Flood on the plain of Shenaar. However, it is obvious that the Tower of Babel and the Tower of Tahpanhes have been confused in Keatings account. Neither Scythia nor Judea existed at the time of the Tower of Babel, nor was Caei-Iar yet even born. Shenaar may refer to the plain of Shinar mentioned in Genesis. Or could it be an echo of Goshen, the location of Tahpanhes

(18). Keating, op. cit., p. 138.

(19). International Standard Bible Encyclopedia. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Wm. B. Eerdinans Publishing Co., Volume III, p. 1590.

(20). ISBE, 111:1589.

(21). ISBE, 111:1588.

(22). Davidy, Yair. Lost Israelite Identity. Jerusalem, Israel: Russell-Davis Publishers, n.d., p. 349-350.

(23). Keating, op. cit., p. 126. In Keatings history, Simeon Brec is the son of Starn, son of Nemedh. In the Leabhar Gabhala, he is either the son of Erglan, son of Beoan, son of Starn, son of Neimedh [Nemedh] (sec. 67); or he is, significantly, son of Iarbanel, son of Neimedh [Nemedh] (sec. 53).

(24). Davidy, op. cit., p. 350.

(25). Davidy, ibid., p. 350.

[Goat]

http://www.israelect.com/reference/Will ... ordJew.htm - Origin of the word Jew

We have two sources that contradict each other. Let's see which source is more reliable.

The 'Israel elect' is a mirror of 'Israelite Watchman', a Christian Identity movement.

While varied, a number of the Christian Identity groups hold that non-whites have no souls.

The other is wikipedia, which, while not perfect, does have some controls in place to try to insure the accuracy of the articles.


Gosh, which source would the average person think is more reliable?

[christian1488]

http://www.israelect.com/reference/Will ... ordJew.htm - Origin of the word Jew

We have two sources that contradict each other. Let's see which source is more reliable.

The 'Israel elect' is a mirror of 'Israelite Watchman', a Christian Identity movement.

While varied, a number of the Christian Identity groups hold that non-whites have no souls.

The other is wikipedia, which, while not perfect, does have some controls in place to try to insure the accuracy of the articles.


Gosh, which source would the average person think is more reliable?

People say whatever they want about Christian Identity because they do not understand it...I would say at least study Christian Identity,the actual beliefs NOT what people say about it...

It's ironic that it is JEWS who run those groups that target Christian Identity...

I'm not sure wikipedia has a study on the origin of the word Jew like the link I posted,wikipedia does not want to ''hurt anyone's feelings''

As for having no souls,Jews consider non-Jews not human and non-Jew children as subhuman-----any difference?

[JohnPaul]

http://www.israelect.com/reference/Will ... ordJew.htm - Origin of the word Jew

We have two sources that contradict each other. Let's see which source is more reliable.

The 'Israel elect' is a mirror of 'Israelite Watchman', a Christian Identity movement.

While varied, a number of the Christian Identity groups hold that non-whites have no souls.

The other is wikipedia, which, while not perfect, does have some controls in place to try to insure the accuracy of the articles.


Gosh, which source would the average person think is more reliable?

People say whatever they want about Christian Identity because they do not understand it...I would say at least study Christian Identity,the actual beliefs NOT what people say about it...

It's ironic that it is JEWS who run those groups that target Christian Identity...

I'm not sure wikipedia has a study on the origin of the word Jew like the link I posted,wikipedia does not want to ''hurt anyone's feelings''

As for having no souls,Jews consider non-Jews not human and non-Jew children as subhuman-----any difference?

Gosh! How many times have I heard that pathetic old excuse, that anyone who speaks anything against Christianity simply is ignorant and does not "understand" Christianity. Well, here once again are the words of a well-known expert on Christianity to explain its beliefs for us:

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
(Adolf Hitler, April, 1922)

(Edit) By the way, christian1488, where did you pick up your online name? I believe "88" is the code symbol now used by the Neo-Nazis in Germany. It stands for "Heil Hitler" because "H" is the 8th letter of the alphabet. Just asking!

[dianaiad]

http://www.israelect.com/reference/Will ... ordJew.htm - Origin of the word Jew

We have two sources that contradict each other. Let's see which source is more reliable.

The 'Israel elect' is a mirror of 'Israelite Watchman', a Christian Identity movement.

While varied, a number of the Christian Identity groups hold that non-whites have no souls.

The other is wikipedia, which, while not perfect, does have some controls in place to try to insure the accuracy of the articles.


Gosh, which source would the average person think is more reliable?

People say whatever they want about Christian Identity because they do not understand it...I would say at least study Christian Identity,the actual beliefs NOT what people say about it...

It's ironic that it is JEWS who run those groups that target Christian Identity...

I'm not sure wikipedia has a study on the origin of the word Jew like the link I posted,wikipedia does not want to ''hurt anyone's feelings''

As for having no souls,Jews consider non-Jews not human and non-Jew children as subhuman-----any difference?

OH, let me guess. Your source for this is "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," yes?

[McCulloch]

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[christian1488]

http://www.israelect.com/reference/Will ... ordJew.htm - Origin of the word Jew

We have two sources that contradict each other. Let's see which source is more reliable.

The 'Israel elect' is a mirror of 'Israelite Watchman', a Christian Identity movement.

While varied, a number of the Christian Identity groups hold that non-whites have no souls.

The other is wikipedia, which, while not perfect, does have some controls in place to try to insure the accuracy of the articles.


Gosh, which source would the average person think is more reliable?

People say whatever they want about Christian Identity because they do not understand it...I would say at least study Christian Identity,the actual beliefs NOT what people say about it...

It's ironic that it is JEWS who run those groups that target Christian Identity...

I'm not sure wikipedia has a study on the origin of the word Jew like the link I posted,wikipedia does not want to ''hurt anyone's feelings''

As for having no souls,Jews consider non-Jews not human and non-Jew children as subhuman-----any difference?

OH, let me guess. Your source for this is "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," yes?

Talmud,read the perversion and anti-Christianity for yourself...

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html - Come and Hear

Elizabeth Dilling was a widely known critic of Judaism prior World War II until her death in 1967. In writing Jewish Religion, Ms. Dilling chose her research materials with care. Her primary source, the Soncino Talmud, was produced by the finest scholars of Judaism. The Rodkinson Talmud was a monumental work endorsed by Rabbi I. M. Wise, a pioneer of Reform Judaism. Rabbi Dr. Louis Finkelstein, author of The Pharisees: The Sociological Background of Their Faith, became president of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America shortly after his book was published, where he was remained for more than 30 years. Thus, Ms. Dilling's research spanned the best that Conservative, Orthodox, and Reform Judaism had to offer in the English language. She also drew from the 12-volume Jewish Encyclopedia, which, though a century old, still stands as a monument to Jewish mainstream scholarship; the 10-volume Universal Jewish Encyclopedia from the early 1940's; US Government State Department Records, The American Hebrew periodical, and other publications.


http://www.sherryshriner.com/talmud_tidbits.htm - Tidbits from the talmud

http://www.israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIs ... -jews.html - Why Jews Are Persecuted For Their Religion

[christian1488]

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As for having no souls, Jews consider non-Jews not human and non-Jew children as subhuman-----any difference?

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Goat did state ''While varied, a number of the Christian Identity groups hold that non-whites have no souls. ''

I was making a point with talmud quotes..i.e is a Christian identity follower who says non whites have no souls any different from the Jews who state what they do about non-Jews...

What I stated is fact,read the talmud for yourself....how do you say it is false? What proof do you have that it is false?

[McCulloch]

As for having no souls, Jews consider non-Jews not human and non-Jew children as subhuman-----any difference?

This is a lie. I am involved with a number of charitable organizations the help people with various disabilities. One thing that cannot escape notice is that in every case, Jews are disproportionately represented among those who are the doers in these charities. This is not the expected behavior of a people who are racist bigots as you suggest.