Anglo-Israelism.

[McCulloch]

For debate:

1. Is there any evidence to support the idea that the people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel?
2. Are there any linguistic links between the Hebrew language and English, Welsh, Cornish or Manx?
3. Could the British Royal Family be directly descended from the line of King David?
4. Is it possible that the Stone of Jacob (Genesis 28:18) is the Stone of Scone, used for centuries in the coronation of the monarchs of Scotland, later British monarchs? Do the British Empire and the American republic feature in Jewish or Christian prophetic literature?
5. Is mixed-race marriage a sin?

[dianaiad]

Relax I was jokeing about marrying Nubian , It really doesn't matter to me FoReal you brought it duh , chill . Stop assumeing thing will ya . I see your still playing teacher , Trying to tell me , What I ought to say , And ought not to say .

Someone should. Or rather, it probably would do you some good to pay attention when they do.

Again your assumeing that when I went to these houses of worship to question these people , I went their to attack / asult them ,

Fair assumption, if you behave there as you do here.

Are you FoReal . I don't even do that here . Unless someone step to me wrong , A few people here have a problem with me because they think they are some type of Scholar . And they're not . Most here post thing they were told to say / believe have faith in from their Teacher / Minster / Pastor , Rabi , Iman Etc . They were not allow to question these people of fear of being call the devil or kick out .

I see. If they agree with you and all your cut and paste plagiarism, then they have free and open minds. If they disagree with you, and call you out on that plagiarism from discredited sites, then they are the ones who are being brainwashed and not thinking for themselves.

Gotcha.

You speak of being Serious '' Yes '' Within Religion rather it be Islamism , Mormanism , Christism , Judaism To name just a few , Keyword Ism = Denomination / Sect , All teaching diffrent doctrine , Which one would you say have the Truth . Mind your all these Teacher / Minster / Pastor , Rabi , Iman , Scholar , Theologian , Are writeing books , makeing tape etc ( All are teaching something diffrent . ) So again tell me who really teaching the word of God here .

My opinion?

Not you.

Plzzz don't tell me these men / woman were Inspired from on high to teach man / woman of a God , Who is every man's / woman personal God , Yet mediators were necessary as if God could not merely think his being into everyone's heart without the Stress and Strain of Religious instructions .

I see...so all those prophets mentioned in the bible were not necessary? Nothing they taught was/is required?

When I spoke of having and open mind , I meant I'm able to think / speak for myself . Unlike few here , They're told what to Do / How to do / When to do thing , And they just obey without questioning ; This is why you have the need to Correct / Tell people what to do . And when someone like myself doesn't obey / adhere to your order or regest . You take it personal .( Case and point lololol )

Let's see. You write an unintelligible sentence, and when I ask you to clarify what you wrote, you inform me that I don't speak English, but that it's OK with you if I want to think I'm an English teacher. You go on and on about how, if your grammar and syntax are lousy, it's because it's our fault for not speaking 'real' English. You have done little BUT issue personal insults, and then accuse me of taking it personally.

Well, gee whiz, how very odd of me, to be sure.

< You know, like the ESL learner who joins an English language debate forum, and when he massacres a sentence, blames the reader because WE don't speak 'real English' >

You know I could write a post on the english langauge ,

Oh, would you? It would be interesting reading.

But few here would take it as another Attack insult .

I would, actually, be rather interested in seeing how you do with it. Should I assign a topic? Perhaps you could give us a five page essay, complete with bibliography (at least three sources--Wikipedia isn't a source) regarding the Great Vowel Shift? Or perhaps you could write about a book called Ivanhoe and a certain conversation between two Saxon peasants at the beginning of the book regarding the difference between the Norman and the Saxon speech patterns...very funny, actually. Or how about a small article regarding the difference between English and Latin Grammar rules, and when we finally stopped trying to force Latin rules on a basically Germanic language?

Translate Beowulf? That's also very funny. Chaucer's good, too, or Shakespeare..you could write about how the language has changed what we lost, what we say instead, some of the vocabulary shifts....

Feel free to write what you'd like, actually. As I said, it would be an interesting read.

But it also show how much you know about the language your pushing . But then again , You'll just say I'm Anti-english lolololol

Being yall love pushing this english langauge thing .

Actually, yes. I do 'love pushing this English language thing.' That's what English teachers do. It's in the job description and everything.

[dianaiad]

Jews ARE persecuted ,obviously for a reason...kicked out of all those places,their talmud etc etc

I see. So whenever a group of people is persecuted, it is justified because of course they wouldn't BE persecuted if they didn't deserve it?

Circular reasoning much?

I never posted anything from the protocols of zion?

I did post from the talmud,history and what famous men said about Jews...

No. You didn't post anything from the Talmud. You posted quotes...almost certainly out of context, from anti-semitic sites which don't even pretend to be fair or objective. There is a difference.

............and 'famous people?' Ever heard of 'appeal to authority" as a fallacy? I don't care HOW famous you are; it doesn't mean you know everything. I would not, for instance, allow Payton Manning to tell me how to treat my asthma. You probably would, though...he is, after all, FAMOUS. He's also a good, religious man.

But he knows bupkis about asthma.

If the Jews are God's chosen people why don't they believe in Jesus?

<snip more cut and paste stuff from anti-semitic and hateful sites>

Don't you have anything to say for yourself?

[JohnPaul]

Dianaiad wrote:

Feel free to write what you'd like, actually. As I said, it would be an interesting read

It certainly would! This thread has already provided a goldmine of notes for a doctoral dissertation on Abnormal Psychology!

John

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Goat did state ''While varied, a number of the Christian Identity groups hold that non-whites have no souls. ''

I was making a point with talmud quotes..i.e is a Christian identity follower who says non whites have no souls any different from the Jews who state what they do about non-Jews...

What I stated is fact,read the talmud for yourself....how do you say it is false? What proof do you have that it is false?

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[Malachi-Zede-El]

Relax I was jokeing about marrying Nubian , It really doesn't matter to me FoReal you brought it duh , chill . Stop assumeing thing will ya . I see your still playing teacher , Trying to tell me , What I ought to say , And ought not to say .

Someone should. Or rather, it probably would do you some good to pay attention when they do.

Again your assumeing that when I went to these houses of worship to question these people , I went their to attack / asult them ,

Fair assumption, if you behave there as you do here.

Are you FoReal . I don't even do that here . Unless someone step to me wrong , A few people here have a problem with me because they think they are some type of Scholar . And they're not . Most here post thing they were told to say / believe have faith in from their Teacher / Minster / Pastor , Rabi , Iman Etc . They were not allow to question these people of fear of being call the devil or kick out .

I see. If they agree with you and all your cut and paste plagiarism, then they have free and open minds. If they disagree with you, and call you out on that plagiarism from discredited sites, then they are the ones who are being brainwashed and not thinking for themselves.

Gotcha.

You speak of being Serious '' Yes '' Within Religion rather it be Islamism , Mormanism , Christism , Judaism To name just a few , Keyword Ism = Denomination / Sect , All teaching diffrent doctrine , Which one would you say have the Truth . Mind your all these Teacher / Minster / Pastor , Rabi , Iman , Scholar , Theologian , Are writeing books , makeing tape etc ( All are teaching something diffrent . ) So again tell me who really teaching the word of God here .

My opinion?

Not you.

Plzzz don't tell me these men / woman were Inspired from on high to teach man / woman of a God , Who is every man's / woman personal God , Yet mediators were necessary as if God could not merely think his being into everyone's heart without the Stress and Strain of Religious instructions .

I see...so all those prophets mentioned in the bible were not necessary? Nothing they taught was/is required?

When I spoke of having and open mind , I meant I'm able to think / speak for myself . Unlike few here , They're told what to Do / How to do / When to do thing , And they just obey without questioning ; This is why you have the need to Correct / Tell people what to do . And when someone like myself doesn't obey / adhere to your order or regest . You take it personal .( Case and point lololol )

Let's see. You write an unintelligible sentence, and when I ask you to clarify what you wrote, you inform me that I don't speak English, but that it's OK with you if I want to think I'm an English teacher. You go on and on about how, if your grammar and syntax are lousy, it's because it's our fault for not speaking 'real' English. You have done little BUT issue personal insults, and then accuse me of taking it personally.

Well, gee whiz, how very odd of me, to be sure.

< You know, like the ESL learner who joins an English language debate forum, and when he massacres a sentence, blames the reader because WE don't speak 'real English' >

You know I could write a post on the english langauge ,

Oh, would you? It would be interesting reading.

But few here would take it as another Attack insult .

I would, actually, be rather interested in seeing how you do with it. Should I assign a topic? Perhaps you could give us a five page essay, complete with bibliography (at least three sources--Wikipedia isn't a source) regarding the Great Vowel Shift? Or perhaps you could write about a book called Ivanhoe and a certain conversation between two Saxon peasants at the beginning of the book regarding the difference between the Norman and the Saxon speech patterns...very funny, actually. Or how about a small article regarding the difference between English and Latin Grammar rules, and when we finally stopped trying to force Latin rules on a basically Germanic language?

Translate Beowulf? That's also very funny. Chaucer's good, too, or Shakespeare..you could write about how the language has changed what we lost, what we say instead, some of the vocabulary shifts....

Feel free to write what you'd like, actually. As I said, it would be an interesting read.

But it also show how much you know about the language your pushing . But then again , You'll just say I'm Anti-english lolololol

Being yall love pushing this english langauge thing .

Actually, yes. I do 'love pushing this English language thing.' That's what English teachers do. It's in the job description and everything.

dianaiad < says > Someone should. Or rather, it probably would do you some good to pay attention when they do.

Mal < Says > You have very bad Habit of telling people what they should / shouldn't do , Because the way you were taught . That doesn't make what you was taught was right . Like I said before your only passsing on what was on by someone you feel was a teacher , that was pass on to Him / Her . Your like a robot you keep saying the same thing over and over , Until the one who have Program you add more information to you . ( And this not and Attack / Insult ) . You did say you have been doing this for 60 years ''Yes'' . That means your only know one thing , what you was taught nomore / noless . Again ( this not and Attack / Insult ) .

dianaiad < says > Fair assumption, if you behave there as you do here.

Mal < says > There you go again ( Behave ) lololol , What you really means I should act the way you feel I should . Meaning fall in line with your train of though .

dianaiad < says > see. If they agree with you and all your cut and paste plagiarism, then they have free and open minds. If they disagree with you, and call you out on that plagiarism from discredited sites, then they are the ones who are being brainwashed and not thinking for themselves.

Mal < says > Again your Assuming very bad Habit , But it's ok I understand you were taugh these things . Why would I or anyone expect someone to agree with them , When your Questioning there belief's / faith /religion . Unless your following the say school of though. Case in point christian1488 you attack / insult Him / Her because they see things diffrently- You say they're Anti-this or Anti-that . Just because they don't follow the same Script / Books You feel / t was right , It like everyone wrong who doesn't addhere to your train of though . It's people like you who breeds , Hatred , Separation , Ignorance , And the many War's on the planet because they dare not adhere to your though's . You also speak of ( cut and paste plagiarism ) . If I were posting things you Believe / Taught , Accept , You wouldn't say anything , And accept me has one of you , But I'm Not . This is what I meant when said I able to think for myself . This make me a Threat , Because I can't be control , And the fear of other might see what I'm posting have some truth in it . And that fact that you will nolonger be able to control their though . And they became to think for themselves like christian1488 , So you began to Attack / Insult / Label him Anti-this or that , But it's ok for you and those who think like to Speak Evil , Attack / Insult / Label , Other , Just like goat doe with me , Do you really think I didn't know he would search the web for my information , Did I at anytime claim I hadn't been to other fourms no . You can't really believe 80% of the question ask here are not being ask in other forum duh . goat does what the media does when they see someone as a threat they label that person , So you join in and Attack / Insult , christian1488 / me . To stay in his / her grace . It All In The Play Book . lololololol

dianaiad < says > My opinion? / Not you.
Mal < says > Wrong again , their not your opinion , Because your keep tell others what was pass on to you Right , So it can't be your opinion , Their your teacher opinion Right .

dianaiad < says > I see...so all those prophets mentioned in the bible were not necessary? Nothing they taught was/is required?

< Mal< says > Their you go again trying to be slick lololol ( This what I said ) Plzzz don't tell me these men / woman were Inspired from on high to teach man / woman of a God , Who is every man's / woman personal God , Yet mediators were necessary as if God could not merely think his being into everyone's heart without the Stress and Strain of Religious instructions . [ don't tell me these men / woman were Inspired from on high to teach man / woman of a God - speaking of the people of this day in time , Writeing Books making Tapes etc just to get payed / And they all tell a diffrent story then the prophet's . So again which one these story are the word of God , That these people are making money off , Saying they got their calling from God-himself ,

dianaiad < says > Let's see. You write an unintelligible sentence, and when I ask you to clarify what you wrote, you inform me that I don't speak English, but that it's OK with you if I want to think I'm an English teacher. You go on and on about how, if your grammar and syntax are lousy, it's because it's our fault for not speaking 'real' English. You have done little BUT issue personal insults, and then accuse me of taking it personally.

Mal < says > I Said according to what you were taught . What was english . Why should I be impress because you cliam to be a teach ? When you yourself say you were taught What To Say / How To Say The Things You Say . by someone who told you it was english . And you accept it on His / Her say so . And now your forceing / pushing it on other , What a joke . What your doing is Removeing one History / Culture / Language / Way of life etc etc . To live in the image and after the likeness of those who taugh you these thing . When you , yourself don't even speak english yourself , By the way the first Attack / Insult came from you when you felt the need to tell how I should be talking . Why would I want to Talk like you . your funny . What's [ Odd ] You really believe other cultures should live in the image and after the likeness of you . What Madness . One would think you and those who think like you ( Is / Or / Are God ) lololololol .

dianaiad < says > I would, actually, be rather interested in seeing how you do with it. Should I assign a topic? Perhaps you could give us a five page essay, complete with bibliography (at least three sources--Wikipedia isn't a source) regarding the Great Vowel Shift? Or perhaps you could write about a book called Ivanhoe and a certain conversation between two Saxon peasants at the beginning of the book regarding the difference between the Norman and the Saxon speech patterns...very funny, actually. Or how about a small article regarding the difference between English and Latin Grammar rules, and when we finally stopped trying to force Latin rules on a basically Germanic language?

Mal < says > Why waste time when according to you Most Languages Are Dead , And if you would be truthful in my post I use the language the scriptures where writen in , I also post a post explaing where your , Sorry not your Bible , Because your Bible was created by The founder of The Mormon church , Joseph Fielding Smith was A Freemason , An Entered Apprentice . Who cliam he found Plate's with God words on the and he Translated them . Now why would God put his scriptures on a plate , And give it to a Freemason to Translated them . When they see the devil equal to God . Hummm their goes that open mind thinking again . Now your going label Anti-Mormon . Because the above is a Fact .

It is a Scientific fact that Archeologists have found tablets dated thousands of years before your actual Kadmon , Zakar , Adam < aramic > A name merely meaning of the '' Dark Brownish Red , Ground '' And Eve , Nekaybaw , Hawwah < aramic >Whiuch mean '' Life or Living '' . The Earliest know documents in Cuneiform were recorded in Sumerian , The language of the inhabitants of Southern Mesoptamia and Chaldea . These document were Tablets know as ; The Atra -Hasis , The Enuma Elish , And The Gilgamesh Epics . Tablets Of The Descent Of Ishtar To The Underworld , Tablets Of Nergal and Arishkegal , Tablets Of Adapa . Tablets Of Etana , The Akkadian Tablets and many more . Cuneiform was used as a sctopt as well as a spoken language by the Eloheem .

And later from this language came the languages Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) and Aramic / Phoenician ( Hebrew ) . The Enuma Elish '' Mean '' When On High '' The Enuma Elish , which is the Babylonian story of creation is named after the first two words of the narrative of the Babylonian book '' Enuchus '' ,

These Tablets were recorded way before Aramic / Phoenician ( Hebrew ) or Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) even existed . The Ashuric language spelled Asshur stemmed from Asshur , A son of Shem who was the son of Noah , Just like Aram ( Genesis 10 ; 21 - 23 ) . Bible on the Web Search was , Aranic / Phoenician ( Hebrew ) Genesis 10 ; 22 , Asshuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) Genesis 10 ; 22 .

Asshur son of Shem and Faatin , Aram son of Shem and Faatin . Aramic come from a man name Aram . The 5th son of Shem as mentioned in Genesis 10 ; 22 , Aramic ( Hebrew ) was the language of the Aramaens , The descendants of Aram .

Ancestral lineage of Aram ~
Aram son of Genesis 10 ; 33 .
Shem son of Genesis 5 ; 35 .
Noah son of Genesis 5 ; 32 .
Lamech son of Genesis 5 ; 28 - 29
Methusael son of Genesis 5 ; 25 .
Enoch son of Genesis 5 ; 21 .
Jared son of Genesis 5 ; 18 .
Mahalaleel son of Genesis 5 ; 15 .
Kenan son of Genesis 5 ; 12 .
Enosh son of Genesis 5 ; 9
Seth son of Genesis 5 ; 6 .
Adam son of Genesis 5 ; 3 . Bible on the Web Search

The country Aram settled in was then called '' Aram , '' Number 23 ; 7 . The fact , The language was named after Aram himself , Proves that he was a leader , A chief , Or a mighty man in his tribe . When a dialect evolved . It usually was named after the most powerful , Or outsanding member of the tribe , Or clan ; In this case it was Aram . The name of the country of Aram appears in The Hebrew Scripture Psalm 60 ; 1 Bible on the Web Search as Aramnaharaim meaning '' Aram Of The Two Rivers . '' It was called this , because it was located between The Tigris ( Idiglat ) and Euphrates ( Firattu ) rivers .

dianaiad < says > Actually, yes. I do 'love pushing this English language thing.' That's what English teachers do. It's in the job description and everything

Mal < Wrong > It your job to remove other people History and cultures bottom line . When You Can Control A Man's / Woman's Thinking You Don't Have To Worry About His / Her Action , Like your trying to do with christian1488 and anyone who doesn't fall in line with your train of though , Because it's your job Right lololololololol .

Oh forgot this

Capital Punishment Crimes ; - Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests . Deuteronomy 17 ; 12 , States And I Quote ; And the man that will do Presumptuously and Will Not Hearken unto the Priest that standeth to Minister there before the Lord thy God or unto the judge , even that Man Shall Die ; and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel .

Death To Followers Of Other Religions ; - Exodus 22 ; 20 , States And I Quote ; He That Sacrificeth unto Any God save unto the Lord Only , he Shall Be Utterly Destroyed .

Kill Nonbelievers ; - 2Chronicles 15 ; 12 - 13 , States And I Quote ; And they entered into a Covenant to seek the Lord God of their Fathers with all their heart and with all their soul . Verse 13 . That whosoever would Not Seek The Lord God Of Israel Should Be Put To Death whether small or great whether Man or Woman .


Kill Followers Of Other Religions ; - Deuteronomy 13 ; 7 - 12 ,States And I Quote ; Namely of the gods of the People which are round about you night unto thee , or far off from thee , from the one end of the Earth even unto the other end of the earth . Verse 8 . Thou Shalt not Consent unto him , nor Hearken unto him ; neither shall thine eye pity him , neither shalt thou spare , neither Shalt thou Conceal . Verse 9 . But thou shalt surely kill him thine Hand shall be First upon him to Put Him To Death , and afterwards the hand of all the people . Verse 10 .
And thou shalt stone him with stones that he Die , because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God , which brought thee out of the land of Egypt , from the house of bonfage . Verse 11 . And all Israel Shalt Hear and fear , and shall do no more any such Wickedness as this is among you . Verse 12 . If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities which the Lord thy God hath given thee to dwell there , saying .


Burn Nonbelievers

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 ) So the next time some Christian tells you about the "love of God", show them this Post and ask them "Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?"









You know the more I talk to people like you it conformation of what I Have Research / Already Know . Thankyou .

[dianaiad]

dianaiad < says >

Someone should. Or rather, it probably would do you some good to pay attention when they do.

Mal < Says > You have very bad Habit of telling people what they should / shouldn't do , Because the way you were taught . That doesn't make what you was taught was right . Like I said before your only passsing on what was on by someone you feel was a teacher , that was pass on to Him / Her . Your like a robot you keep saying the same thing over and over , Until the one who have Program you add more information to you . ( And this not and Attack / Insult ) . You did say you have been doing this for 60 years ''Yes'' . That means your only know one thing , what you was taught nomore / noless . Again ( this not and Attack / Insult ) .

Mal...

Insulting people and then trying to get out of it by claiming that you aren't insulting them isn't going to work.

People do tend to see through that sort of disclaimer, you know.

dianaiad < says >

Fair assumption, if you behave there as you do here.

Mal < says > There you go again ( Behave ) lololol , What you really means I should act the way you feel I should . Meaning fall in line with your train of though .

No, actually. I really mean that if you are going to talk to people of other faiths, you might get further if you listen to them tell you what they believe, rather than lecturing them and assuming that any disagreement is the result of THEIR stupidity and close mindedness.

Oh, and being polite would help.

dianaiad < says >

see. If they agree with you and all your cut and paste plagiarism, then they have free and open minds. If they disagree with you, and call you out on that plagiarism from discredited sites, then they are the ones who are being brainwashed and not thinking for themselves.

Mal < says > Again your Assuming very bad Habit ,

Just going on the evidence, Mal.

But it's ok I understand you were taugh these things . Why would I or anyone expect someone to agree with them , When your Questioning there belief's / faith /religion . Unless your following the say school of though. Case in point christian1488 you attack / insult Him / Her because they see things diffrently- You say they're Anti-this or Anti-that . Just because they don't follow the same Script / Books You feel / t was right , It like everyone wrong who doesn't addhere to your train of though . It's people like you who breeds , Hatred , Separation , Ignorance , And the many War's on the planet because they dare not adhere to your though's .

I'm not the one posting anti-semitic hate rhetoric from bigoted and discredited sites.

You also speak of ( cut and paste plagiarism ) . If I were posting things you Believe / Taught , Accept , You wouldn't say anything ,

Goodness, and you think *I* am 'assuming' things? I don't care if you cut and pasted the entire General Conference speech from President Monson himself. I'd call you out on it.

Mal, I admire anybody who is bi-lingual, especially when they are trying to communicate in a second language. I am NOT bi-lingual. Oh, I can read some Spanish, translate a little Latin if I have a dictionary at hand, and oh, yeah, Old English, Middle and Modern English are no problem. At the base, though, English is the only language I can communicate well in.

The point is, if you were 'thinking for yourself,' and writing from your own thoughts and experiences, we would all know that; your writing style when you use your own words is very different from the cut and paste stuff. I find it ironic that you are using someone ELSE'S unattributed words to express your thoughts, at the same time you are criticizing us for being brainwashed.

And accept me has one of you , But I'm Not . This is what I meant when said I able to think for myself . This make me a Threat , Because I can't be control ,

You ARE being controlled. You are controlled by the people whose words you are using instead of your own.

And the fear of other might see what I'm posting have some truth in it . And that fact that you will nolonger be able to control their though . And they became to think for themselves like christian1488 , So you began to Attack / Insult / Label him Anti-this or that , But it's ok for you and those who think like to Speak Evil , Attack / Insult / Label , Other , Just like goat doe with me , Do you really think I didn't know he would search the web for my information , Did I at anytime claim I hadn't been to other fourms no .

Mal, you were the one who should have told us where you got the words you are using. We shouldn't have to google you to find out where you got your information.

You can't really believe 80% of the question ask here are not being ask in other forum duh . goat does what the media does when they see someone as a threat they label that person , So you join in and Attack / Insult , christian1488 / me . To stay in his / her grace . It All In The Play Book . lololololol

I don't know you. I have no reason to attack you. You will notice, Mal, that I haven't addressed any of the....stuff...you have posted and claim to believe. How can I be afraid of what you are 'preaching?" Great googly moogly.

dianaiad < says >

My opinion? / Not you.

Mal < says > Wrong again , their not your opinion , Because your keep tell others what was pass on to you Right , So it can't be your opinion , Their your teacher opinion Right .

dianaiad < says >

I see...so all those prophets mentioned in the bible were not necessary? Nothing they taught was/is required?

< Mal< says > Their you go again trying to be slick lololol ( This what I said ) Plzzz don't tell me these men / woman were Inspired from on high to teach man / woman of a God , Who is every man's / woman personal God , Yet mediators were necessary as if God could not merely think his being into everyone's heart without the Stress and Strain of Religious instructions . [ don't tell me these men / woman were Inspired from on high to teach man / woman of a God - speaking of the people of this day in time , Writeing Books making Tapes etc just to get payed / And they all tell a diffrent story then the prophet's . So again which one these story are the word of God , That these people are making money off , Saying they got their calling from God-himself ,

OK...so I gather you don't believe that the people who wrote the bible were in any way inspired? Just trying to figure things out, here.

dianaiad < says >

Let's see. You write an unintelligible sentence, and when I ask you to clarify what you wrote, you inform me that I don't speak English, but that it's OK with you if I want to think I'm an English teacher. You go on and on about how, if your grammar and syntax are lousy, it's because it's our fault for not speaking 'real' English. You have done little BUT issue personal insults, and then accuse me of taking it personally.

Mal < says > I Said according to what you were taught . What was english .

Yes. I was taught English from a very early age, actually. I believe my mother was cooing English at me on the day I was born, even. Odd, how that works.

Why should I be impress because you cliam to be a teach ?

"Impressed?" Well, you shouldn't be, I suppose...except that a teacher of English would be expected to know more about English than you do. Lots of college classes, lots of reading, lots of research--might be worth paying attention to. If we were talking about, say, quantum mechanics and you claimed to be a theoretical physicist, *I* would be impressed.

Well, at least long enough to investigate, anyway. As for my claim to be an English teacher...my California single subject English teaching credential is in the public record. I'm proud of having achieved that; took a LOT of study and work.

...........though something tells me that wouldn't impress you either.

When you yourself say you were taught What To Say / How To Say The Things You Say . by someone who told you it was english . And you accept it on His / Her say so . And now your forceing / pushing it on other , What a joke . What your doing is Removeing one History / Culture / Language / Way of life etc etc .

I'm "removing" a history, culture, language and way of life because I speak, write and teach the language I was born to?

Exactly WHAT history am I removing? What culture am I destroying? What language am I getting rid of, and what way of life do you think should supplant the one I have?

..............and why in the name of all that is wonderful do you get to tell me this, and have your opinion trump mine?

To live in the image and after the likeness of those who taugh you these thing . When you , yourself don't even speak english yourself ,

I DON'T?

This is fascinating. What language do you think I"m using?

Let's see...I remember you saying that only people in the UK speak English--but where in the UK? Are you talking about London upper-class English, Cockney English, the English dialects of Wales, Devonshire, Scotland, Ireland, the very different tones of the year long dwellers in Bournmouth vs. the summer visitors there?

Here's a question nobody has asked you yet, as far as I can tell; what is your first language?

By the way the first Attack / Insult came from you when you felt the need to tell how I should be talking . Why would I want to Talk like you . your funny . What's [ Odd ] You really believe other cultures should live in the image and after the likeness of you . What Madness . One would think you and those who think like you ( Is / Or / Are God ) lololololol .

Oh.
My.

Here's another question. How old are you?

dianaiad < says >

I would, actually, be rather interested in seeing how you do with it. Should I assign a topic? Perhaps you could give us a five page essay, complete with bibliography (at least three sources--Wikipedia isn't a source) regarding the Great Vowel Shift? Or perhaps you could write about a book called Ivanhoe and a certain conversation between two Saxon peasants at the beginning of the book regarding the difference between the Norman and the Saxon speech patterns...very funny, actually. Or how about a small article regarding the difference between English and Latin Grammar rules, and when we finally stopped trying to force Latin rules on a basically Germanic language?

Mal < says > Why waste time when according to you Most Languages Are Dead ,

Where did I claim that?

Quote, please.

Oh, and would you mind telling me what you mean by 'most?' We humans have been around for a very long time; languages change and evolve as people move around, learn new things, and figure out new ways to express themselves. That's what makes linguistics fascinating. A few of those languages have evolved past recognition, but we can still trace our own back through the ages.

Have you ever SEEN a language tree?

And if you would be truthful in my post I use the language the scriptures where writen in ,

Funny. I didn't see any Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek in your posts.

I also post a post explaing where your , Sorry not your Bible ,

Actually, I like the King James Version of the bible for the poetry, but I use a few others for study and clarity.

Because your Bible was created by The founder of The Mormon church , Joseph Fielding Smith

Er, Joseph Fielding Smith was not the 'founder' of the church. He was the tenth president of the church, and wasn't born until 32 years after Joseph Smith Jr. was murdered, and was never a Freemason. He served as President of the church between 1970 and 1972, when he died.

I think you mean Joseph Smith Jr....ok, carry on...

. was A Freemason , An Entered Apprentice .

er, no, Joseph Smith wasn't an 'entered apprentice." He was a full Mason.

Who cliam he found Plate's with God words on the and he Translated them . Now why would God put his scriptures on a plate ,

Why not? He wrote the Ten Commandments in stone tablets and handed them to a murderer. By the way, it turns out that words on metal plates just weren't all that unusual. We have quite a few examples.

And give it to a Freemason to Translated them .

What have you got against Freemasons? They seem like perfectly nice people to me. My grandfather was a Mason, and my grandmother was president of the Eastern Star group in her town. I didn't notice any of 'em eating babies for barbeque.

When they see the devil equal to God .

We do?

News to me.

Hummm their goes that open mind thinking again . Now your going label Anti-Mormon . Because the above is a Fact .

As you can see, the amount of facts in the above paragraph are limited to, er...wait. Did you get any of the facts right? (looking) Nope, not even one.

It is a Scientific fact that Archeologists have found tablets dated thousands of years before your actual Kadmon , Zakar , Adam < aramic > A name merely meaning of the '' Dark Brownish Red , Ground '' And Eve , Nekaybaw , Hawwah < aramic >Whiuch mean '' Life or Living '' . The Earliest know documents in Cuneiform were recorded in Sumerian , The language of the inhabitants of Southern Mesoptamia and Chaldea . These document were Tablets know as ; The Atra -Hasis , The Enuma Elish , And The Gilgamesh Epics . Tablets Of The Descent Of Ishtar To The Underworld , Tablets Of Nergal and Arishkegal , Tablets Of Adapa . Tablets Of Etana , The Akkadian Tablets and many more . Cuneiform was used as a sctopt as well as a spoken language by the Eloheem .

Quick question: do you have a clue what you have just copied and pasted, or what any of it actually means?

<snip more cut and paste silliness>

dianaiad < says >

Actually, yes. I do 'love pushing this English language thing.' That's what English teachers do. It's in the job description and everything

Mal < Wrong > It your job to remove other people History and cultures bottom line .

Er, how is teaching English...the best way to speak and write it so that others can understand what you are saying, and to introduce people to great works of literature written IN English...'removing other people's History?"

I'll admit to some mild curiosity here.

When You Can Control A Man's / Woman's Thinking You Don't Have To Worry About His / Her Action , Like your trying to do with christian1488 and anyone who doesn't fall in line with your train of though , Because it's your job Right lololololololol .

I see. Because I object to people posting plagiarized, cut and paste stuff from discredited and hate filled sites--without attribution--I'm the one attempting to control YOUR train of thought?

You know the more I talk to people like you it conformation of what I Have Research / Already Know . Thankyou .

Yes, I imagine it does.

[christian1488]

Jews ARE persecuted ,obviously for a reason...kicked out of all those places,their talmud etc etc

I see. So whenever a group of people is persecuted, it is justified because of course they wouldn't BE persecuted if they didn't deserve it?

Circular reasoning much?

I never posted anything from the protocols of zion?

I did post from the talmud,history and what famous men said about Jews...

No. You didn't post anything from the Talmud. You posted quotes...almost certainly out of context, from anti-semitic sites which don't even pretend to be fair or objective. There is a difference.

............and 'famous people?' Ever heard of 'appeal to authority" as a fallacy? I don't care HOW famous you are; it doesn't mean you know everything. I would not, for instance, allow Payton Manning to tell me how to treat my asthma. You probably would, though...he is, after all, FAMOUS. He's also a good, religious man.

But he knows bupkis about asthma.

If the Jews are God's chosen people why don't they believe in Jesus?

<snip more cut and paste stuff from anti-semitic and hateful sites>

Don't you have anything to say for yourself?

I posted from the talmud,read from the come and hear website...they are photocopied pages from the soncino babylonian talmud!
http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html

If the Jews are God's chosen people why don't they believe in Jesus,I wrote that,that is not copy and paste,though you do not have an answer to that...


The Talmud " Five Deaths to Jesus

Jesus, as stated in both the Talmud and Jewish Encyclopedia, gets "four legal methods of execution" and is Crucified as well, as a blasphemer of Pharisee Judaism.

Jesus stoned, then "hanged" or crucified, Sanhedrin 43a-45b (Exhibit 46 and Exhibit 48); Sanhedrin 67a (Exhibit 75), where under another phony name (Ben Stada) Jesus is identified as "Jesus of Nazareth." See Jewish Encyclopedia, Exhibit 277 and Exhibit 8.

As to Judas, we are told (Exhibit 279) that: "when Judas found he could not touch Jesus in any way, in aerial battle, he defiled him" (the "privy concept," once again, which runs through the Talmud).

Jesus' apostles all killed, Sanhedrin 43a, b (Exhibit 47). Their names are decoded by Jewish Encyclopedia (see Exhibit 278, right column.)

Jesus crucified as a "blasphemer," Sanhedrin 46a (Exhibit 51), Jewish Encyclopedia (Exhibit 276).

Jesus burned, Sanhedrin 52a (Exhibit 52); manner of burning, Yebamoth 6b (Exhibit 151), verified by Jewish Encyclopedia under "Balaam" (Exhibit 274). He is "lowered into dung up to his armpits then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck and the two loose ends pulled in opposite directions forcing him to open his mouth. A wick was then lit, and thrown into his mouth so that it descended into his body and burnt his bowels his mouth was forced open with pinchers against his wishes (Exhibit 52) And: "The death penalty of 'burning' was executed by pouring molten lead through the condemned man's mouth into his body, burning his internal organs. (Exhibit 152)

Jesus strangled: "He was lowered into dung up to his armpits then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck, and the two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead." (Talmud, Sanhedrin 52a, Exhibit 53)

This is repeated (Sanhedrin 106b; Exhibit 114) and verified by the Jewish Encyclopedia (Exhibit 274).

Jesus in hell where His punishment is "boiling in hot semen." (Talmud, Gittin 57a; Exhibit 202) The subject is identified as Jesus in a footnote, also in the Jewish Encyclopedia under "Balaam." (Exhibit 275)

Christians in hell (in the above passage) are punished by "boiling hot excrement" which is the punishment for all who mock "at the words of the sages" (i.e. the Talmud).

Jesus "committed bestiality," "corrupted the people," is "turned into hell." (Talmud Sanhedrin 105a; Exhibit 106 and Exhibit 107)

Jesus "limped on one foot" and "was blind in one eye," "he practiced enchantment by means of his membrum," "he committed bestiality with his ass," he was a fool who "did not even know his beast's mind." (Talmud, Sanhedrin l05a-105b; Exhibit 108 and 109) The ridiculous and foul misuse of Judges 5:27 about Sisera's dying convulsions meaning sexual intercourse is here applied to Jesus, with a footnote "explanation" of Judges 5:27: "This is taken to mean sexual intercourse "

Jesus attempts to seduce women, is excommunicated by a rabbi and then worships a brick, was a seducer of Israel, and practiced magic. (Talmud, Sanhedrin l07b; Exhibit 117), also the Jewish Encyclopedia (See Exhibit 277).

Jesus is cited in the index of the Sanhedrin portion of Talmud, "chief repository of the criminal law of the Talmud" (See Exhibit 43), which shows the page numbers where He is denounced. (Exhibit 118)

Jesus' resurrection is cursed: "Woe unto him who maketh himself alive by the name of God." (Talmud, Sanhedrin 106a; Exhibit 111)

The trial of Jesus: "It was by the action of the priests that Jesus was sent before Pontius Pilate." The Sanhedrin priests "had most reason to be offended with Jesus' action in cleansing the Temple," the probable place of His trial, according to the Talmud. His cry: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" was in all its implications itself a disproof of the exaggerated claims made for him. The very form of his punishment would disprove these claims in Jewish eyes. No Messiah that Jews could recognize could suffer such a death; for "He that is hanged is accursed of God" (Deuteronomy xxi. 23). This refers to an "evil son" and Talmudist Rashi adds "an insult to God." The foregoing is from the Jewish Encyclopedia under "Jesus." (See Exhibit 276)

Other foul charges against Jesus and His mother, His being a "bastard," and the like, follow. (Exhibit 277 from the same Encyclopedia)

The Talmud and Mary, Mother of Jesus

She is called "Miriam, a dresser of women's hair." She "committed adultery." (Exhibit 75)

"She played the harlot with carpenters." (Exhibit 114)

All rabbinical sources ascribe to Jesus, "illegitimate birth ... the seducer was a soldier by the name of Panthera [also called Pandira. and Stada]." "Pappus [husband of Mary] has nothing to do with the story of Jesus, and was only connected with it because his wife happened to be called "Miriam" [Maryl and was known to be an adulteress."

All the Life of Jesus (Toledot Yeshu) "editions contain a similar story of a dispute which Jesus carried on with the scribes who on the ground of that dispute declared him to be a bastard." (Jewish Encyclopedia, "Jesus," Exhibit 277)

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/ch ... ml#page_15

How is the TALMUD taken out of context? follow the link and see how it is out of context...

click on ''exhibit'' to see the photocopied pages....

[dianaiad]

I posted from the talmud,read from the come and hear website...they are photocopied pages from the soncino babylonian talmud!
http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html

No, you posted from Elizabeth Dilling, who used her own cherry picking style with the Talmud. If you had 'posted from the Talmud,' you would be sending us to a PRO-Jewish site which had the entire Talmud available for our use.

To quote the very first line of the site you sent us to:

Elizabeth Dilling was a widely known critic of Judaism prior World War II until her death in 1967.

In fact, Elizabeth Dilling was a very well known anti-semite. She never had anything good to say about Jews--and actually thought that Roosevelt was probably a Jew and a Marxist. She was notorious for her antisemitism. Anybody who uses her as a source for information about Judaism would use Jack Chick to study Catholicism and Ed Decker to study Mormonism.

So, no, you did NOT 'quote the Talmud." Sorry.

If the Jews are God's chosen people why don't they believe in Jesus,I wrote that,that is not copy and paste,though you do not have an answer to that...

They were God's chosen people long before Jesus came along. They remain God's chosen people. If they are still waiting for the Messiah, well....so they are wrong about that. It will all get figured out in the end.

Tell me; if you have a child, and that child becomes unreasonably stubborn about something you care deeply about, does he suddenly become NOT your child?

<snip everything from Elizabeth Dilling...as I wouldn't believe anything she said about the Jews. I would go to another source for confirmation if she had written that some Jews live in Israel.>

Find your Talmud quotes from reading the Talmud. Do not use antisemitic, hatefilled, NON-Jewish sites as a source. Not with me. I will not accept them as valid.

BTW, neither would any peer-reviewed journal or respectable professor. Get your information from the primary sources, please.

[christian1488]

I posted from the talmud,read from the come and hear website...they are photocopied pages from the soncino babylonian talmud!
http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html

No, you posted from Elizabeth Dilling, who used her own cherry picking style with the Talmud. If you had 'posted from the Talmud,' you would be sending us to a PRO-Jewish site which had the entire Talmud available for our use.

To quote the very first line of the site you sent us to:

Elizabeth Dilling was a widely known critic of Judaism prior World War II until her death in 1967.

In fact, Elizabeth Dilling was a very well known anti-semite. She never had anything good to say about Jews--and actually thought that Roosevelt was probably a Jew and a Marxist. She was notorious for her antisemitism. Anybody who uses her as a source for information about Judaism would use Jack Chick to study Catholicism and Ed Decker to study Mormonism.

So, no, you did NOT 'quote the Talmud." Sorry.

If the Jews are God's chosen people why don't they believe in Jesus,I wrote that,that is not copy and paste,though you do not have an answer to that...

They were God's chosen people long before Jesus came along. They remain God's chosen people. If they are still waiting for the Messiah, well....so they are wrong about that. It will all get figured out in the end.

Tell me; if you have a child, and that child becomes unreasonably stubborn about something you care deeply about, does he suddenly become NOT your child?

<snip everything from Elizabeth Dilling...as I wouldn't believe anything she said about the Jews. I would go to another source for confirmation if she had written that some Jews live in Israel.>

Find your Talmud quotes from reading the Talmud. Do not use antisemitic, hatefilled, NON-Jewish sites as a source. Not with me. I will not accept them as valid.

BTW, neither would any peer-reviewed journal or respectable professor. Get your information from the primary sources, please.

How many times must I post that Elizabeth Dilling photocopied pages from the Soncino Babylonian Talmud!

How can those pages be taken out of context?

This is more of a cast that you don't want to read because it is to hard to believe!

As for the Jew's been God's chosen people,why in the world was Jesus sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel if the Jews do not believe in Jesus?

The Jews consider themselves the messiah.....
Kethuboth 111a) In other words, to call the Jewish people the Messiah is no metaphor; they are literally just that; they are the "Messiah," says the Talmud.

Why would they be waiting for a messiah if they consider themselves the messiah?

Why in the world would Jesus be sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel,if the Jews would not believe in Jesus,if they are God's people....

the word Jew is not even mentioned in the torah!

Adam,Noah,Abraham,Issac,Jacob,the 12 Tribes,Moses-WERE NOT JEWS

THAT WOULD MAKE THE MISSION OF JESUS TO ISRAEL-POINTLESS!

Matthew 4:17:From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

What say you?The ministry of Jesus,the Crucifixion,the resurrection?

A future messiah for the Jews makes all what Jesus did POINTLESS!

The Jews connect with the definition of ''antichrist''





The Talmud " Five Deaths to Jesus

Jesus, as stated in both the Talmud and Jewish Encyclopedia, gets "four legal methods of execution" and is Crucified as well, as a blasphemer of Pharisee Judaism.

Jesus stoned, then "hanged" or crucified, Sanhedrin 43a-45b (Exhibit 46 and Exhibit 48); Sanhedrin 67a (Exhibit 75), where under another phony name (Ben Stada) Jesus is identified as "Jesus of Nazareth." See Jewish Encyclopedia, Exhibit 277 and Exhibit 8.

As to Judas, we are told (Exhibit 279) that: "when Judas found he could not touch Jesus in any way, in aerial battle, he defiled him" (the "privy concept," once again, which runs through the Talmud).

Jesus' apostles all killed, Sanhedrin 43a, b (Exhibit 47). Their names are decoded by Jewish Encyclopedia (see Exhibit 278, right column.)

Jesus crucified as a "blasphemer," Sanhedrin 46a (Exhibit 51), Jewish Encyclopedia (Exhibit 276).

Jesus burned, Sanhedrin 52a (Exhibit 52); manner of burning, Yebamoth 6b (Exhibit 151), verified by Jewish Encyclopedia under "Balaam" (Exhibit 274). He is "lowered into dung up to his armpits then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck and the two loose ends pulled in opposite directions forcing him to open his mouth. A wick was then lit, and thrown into his mouth so that it descended into his body and burnt his bowels his mouth was forced open with pinchers against his wishes (Exhibit 52) And: "The death penalty of 'burning' was executed by pouring molten lead through the condemned man's mouth into his body, burning his internal organs. (Exhibit 152)

Jesus strangled: "He was lowered into dung up to his armpits then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck, and the two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead." (Talmud, Sanhedrin 52a, Exhibit 53)

This is repeated (Sanhedrin 106b; Exhibit 114) and verified by the Jewish Encyclopedia (Exhibit 274).

Jesus in hell where His punishment is "boiling in hot semen." (Talmud, Gittin 57a; Exhibit 202) The subject is identified as Jesus in a footnote, also in the Jewish Encyclopedia under "Balaam." (Exhibit 275)

Christians in hell (in the above passage) are punished by "boiling hot excrement" which is the punishment for all who mock "at the words of the sages" (i.e. the Talmud).

Jesus "committed bestiality," "corrupted the people," is "turned into hell." (Talmud Sanhedrin 105a; Exhibit 106 and Exhibit 107)

Jesus "limped on one foot" and "was blind in one eye," "he practiced enchantment by means of his membrum," "he committed bestiality with his ass," he was a fool who "did not even know his beast's mind." (Talmud, Sanhedrin l05a-105b; Exhibit 108 and 109) The ridiculous and foul misuse of Judges 5:27 about Sisera's dying convulsions meaning sexual intercourse is here applied to Jesus, with a footnote "explanation" of Judges 5:27: "This is taken to mean sexual intercourse "

Jesus attempts to seduce women, is excommunicated by a rabbi and then worships a brick, was a seducer of Israel, and practiced magic. (Talmud, Sanhedrin l07b; Exhibit 117), also the Jewish Encyclopedia (See Exhibit 277).

Jesus is cited in the index of the Sanhedrin portion of Talmud, "chief repository of the criminal law of the Talmud" (See Exhibit 43), which shows the page numbers where He is denounced. (Exhibit 118)

Jesus' resurrection is cursed: "Woe unto him who maketh himself alive by the name of God." (Talmud, Sanhedrin 106a; Exhibit 111)

The trial of Jesus: "It was by the action of the priests that Jesus was sent before Pontius Pilate." The Sanhedrin priests "had most reason to be offended with Jesus' action in cleansing the Temple," the probable place of His trial, according to the Talmud. His cry: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" was in all its implications itself a disproof of the exaggerated claims made for him. The very form of his punishment would disprove these claims in Jewish eyes. No Messiah that Jews could recognize could suffer such a death; for "He that is hanged is accursed of God" (Deuteronomy xxi. 23). This refers to an "evil son" and Talmudist Rashi adds "an insult to God." The foregoing is from the Jewish Encyclopedia under "Jesus." (See Exhibit 276)

Other foul charges against Jesus and His mother, His being a "bastard," and the like, follow. (Exhibit 277 from the same Encyclopedia)

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt03.html

Click on exhibit,you can then see the PHOTOCOPIED PAGES


If you really think the Jews are God's people...

John 8:33:They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

NO JEW could say they were never in bondage to any men because if they were Israel they would have been in bondage many times and even then they were in bondage to the Romans!


The Jews are not of God,read John 8.

John 8:38:I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

John 8:39:They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

John 8:41:Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

John 8:42:Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 8:44:Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Read all Matthew 23..

Matthew 23:35:That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.


READ THIS CAREFULLY

Acts 11:26:And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Acts 26:2:I think myself happy, king Agrippa, because I shall answer for myself this day before thee touching all the things whereof I am accused of the Jews:

Who was Paul accused by?

Jesus condemned the tradition of the elders,which was the talmud in the time of Jesus in Matthew 15

[dianaiad]

How many times must I post that Elizabeth Dilling photocopied pages from the Soncino Babylonian Talmud!

Doesn't matter. You want us to take you seriously in quoting the Talmud, then YOU quote from it.

.........and send us to the Talmud, not to Elizabeth Dillard.

I mean, why not? Either she got them correct, in which case you don't need her; you can go get the primary source yourself and cite it, or she messed with 'em, in which case you don't want to use her anyway.

There is a reason that scholars cite their sources. It is so that the reader can GO CHECK THEM OUT.

So.

Go check them out and report, please.

How can those pages be taken out of context?

Well, now, see, that's the problem. How do you know they haven't been? The solution to both questions is to go to the original source. If you do that, then you don't need to keep quoting one of the most virulent bigots ever published. You can include the context yourself. See how that works?

This is more of a cast that you don't want to read because it is to hard to believe!

You are quite right about that one. It is, actually, impossible to believe. I do, you see, consider the source.

As for the Jew's been God's chosen people,why in the world was Jesus sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel if the Jews do not believe in Jesus?

(grin)

I'm a Mormon. I know that seems to be a non-sequitur, but the thing is, *I* happen to believe that those 'lost sheep' were the folks over in the Americas.

Now this isn't an invitation to discuss MY beliefs, mind you. It's simply a notification that asking the above question is actually begging it. Don't assume that something means the same thing to your reader as it does to you when you use it as a prooftext.

<snip more Dilling stuff, unread.>

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt03.html

Click on exhibit,you can then see the PHOTOCOPIED PAGES

If they are photocopied, you can find the originals. Cite them. Make sure she didn't fiddle with the photocopies.

It's not that hard.
<snip to here>

READ THIS CAREFULLY

I don't think so.