The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[kayky]

Lol, Scripture declares Peter's Church as the Church and you call it a delusion.

Claiming to be Peter's Church doesn't make it so.

Do you know the definition of delusion? Well, promoting a liberal agenda with a religion that does not support it is pretty delusional, unless of course you are not really religious and simply have no shame in distorting Christianity for your own appeal.

I am a devoted Episcopalian. My views are shared by my congregation.

[KCKID]

I wonder ...WWJD?

Here:

Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?�

“Haven’t you read,� he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?

So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.� - Matthew 19

As usual, the 'foot shooting' example of your argument. "Let no man separate." Did you get that? As I've mentioned MANY times, the Church totally ignores that part of this text. And, because it does, a serious breach of God's command has occurred throughout Christendom that VERY FEW even acknowledge. Most are so hell-bent on the 'gay' issue that what is going on under their very noses remains unchallenged. For your own sake, 99, it might be best if you don't present that scripture again. It highlights even more your hypocrisy.

So as even you can see, there is not even such a thng as same gender marriage to God.

I see no such thing. The text you give is merely a response from Jesus having been asked about divorce. It was a RESPONSE, not a COMMAND*. And, as has already been highlighted above, Jesus' response has more relevance to you and yours (divorce ...remember?) than it does to 'gay' marriage. Perhaps the Church should pay heed to that text and act on it!

*NO ONE can command someone to be attracted to or to fall in love with another!The very notion that people MUST be programmed by God like robots and behave in a specific manner is preposterous. But that, 99, is the 'logic' that you have been brainwashed with. You might have been better to stick with 100% atheism.

Those "Christians" that want to invent new doctrines and theology, should do so in a new denomination or religious movement altogether.

Those "Christians" that ignore the teaching of Jesus, i.e. "Let no man separate", and have 'embraced' the many thousands that have done so and continually do so should do so in a new denomination or religious organization altogether. The reason being, of course, is that they want - and have - invented new doctrines and theeology that is counter to the teaching of the scripture.

The street runs in both directions, 99!

And by the way, I notice that these homosexuality approving places are quite fundamentalist in aproach and death grip on being challenged.

Your 'challenge' is hardly a challenge, 99, when your own scriptural flaws and hypocrisies are SO easily thrown back at you!

[SilenceInMotion]

Matthew 16:18
And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Don't blame Matthew for your delusion.

Lol, Scripture declares Peter's Church as the Church and you call it a delusion.

Do you know the definition of delusion? Well, promoting a liberal agenda with a religion that does not support it is pretty delusional, unless of course you are not really religious and simply have no shame in distorting Christianity for your own appeal.

Peter's Church was a Church of Jerusalem Jews.

As a matter of fact.

Peter was the first bishop of Rome. The first Pope.
To deny that is to put prejudice over reason. The people who oppose it are from the same circle of people who believe the Earth is 6000 years old. Fundies.
Good luck with that.

[kayky]

Kayky:
It is the utmost of ignorance to equate homosexuality with pedophilia.

99:
ReallY???

How many tens of millions of dollars has the RCC paid out because of it?

And you look to be in the lost generation failing to learn from history. Look up PEDERASTY.

Your lack of knowledge about human sexuality is astounding. Homosexuality occurs between adults. Pedophiles prefer children to adults. It makes no difference to the definition if the preference is for boys or girls. So pederasty has nothing to do with it. Men who are sexually attracted to young boys do not want to have sex with other adult men. Get it?

[Slopeshoulder]

- there are already several denominations that welcome gay people, and some even ordain them. My last pastor was an award winning, harvard trained, highly respected lesbian married female. A great person. The one before that was a very respected gay professor-priest, also married. And the one before that was a well known, national leader, yale trained, gay male priest. A GREAT guy. None are pedophiles.

- sexual orientation is no basis for a denomination, it's not a theological issue.

- the OP is just an example of the otherizing, marginalizing and dehumanizing of hate. I see no legitimate basis for schism and I decry those who would call for it to mask their hate.

- and BTW, the roman catholic church does not claim it is infallible. In fact it insists it is not. Only the Pope, and only when speaking RARELY ex cathedra, is said, controversially and recently, to be infallible. Again, the church does not claim it is infallible. This is a common falsehood promulgated by extremists, but it is clearly and officially wrong.

You have your answers, now stand down.

BTW, for yuks, I got stuck in local traffic yesterday among the celebrations of Pride weekend in san francisco (we were having dinner at a friends house near castro street and didn't even know, being kind of new in town). A great scene, and none of the men were checking out my wife for a change, although a few wanted to borrow her jacket. Then at dinner, I met a gay guy who just moved here to be back to close to family as he and his partner were not going to have kids. He joked that wasn't sure he even wanted to be married anyway! And last week we had dinner with a gay guy after watching the comedic opera he composed. His last opera was a passion play (jesus) and he's also a harvard guy who is close to getting discovering a cure for diabetes. A churchgoer, he just bought a RC church in new orleans that he's converting into an arts center with his husband, who was the guy who created the name for FedEx.
So when one pulls one's head out of the sand and actually meets people, a certain class of people, it's amazing what we find: brains, talent, heart, old fashioned values, faith, love, commitment, impact, culture, sophistication, humor, and a whole hell of a lot of patience. That's welcome in any church I'd attend.

[99percentatheism]

Matthew 16:18
And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Don't blame Matthew for your delusion.

Lol, Scripture declares Peter's Church as the Church and you call it a delusion.

Do you know the definition of delusion? Well, promoting a liberal agenda with a religion that does not support it is pretty delusional, unless of course you are not really religious and simply have no shame in distorting Christianity for your own appeal.

Peter's Church was a Church of Jerusalem Jews.

As a matter of fact.

Peter was the first bishop of Rome. The first Pope.
To deny that is to put prejudice over reason. The people who oppose it are from the same circle of people who believe the Earth is 6000 years old. Fundies.
Good luck with that.

Peter was crucified in Rome. Or outside of the city. Hardly a pope about it.

He is beloved no doubt about it. But there was no organized "Roman Catholic" Church when Peter was corporeal.

There are some redeeming qualities about the RCC, but nothing moreso than any other orthodox body of believers.

In fact (again) as history has shown us, there is much that went wrong with the RCC throughout time.

But at least they are getting the sanctity of marriage correct and keeping the sodomites at bay.

[SilenceInMotion]

- and BTW, the roman catholic church does not claim it is infallible. In fact it insists it is not. Only the Pope, and only when speaking RARELY ex cathedra, is said, controversially and recently, to be infallible. Again, the church does not claim it is infallible.

You have your answers, now stand down.

Lol, the Church doesn't insist that it is not infallible. Wherever or whoever told you that told you a lie. It is one of the foundational aspects of the Church, and there is even a vast explanation as to why it is infallible even if you exclude the literal and explicit statement in the Bible that it cannot in fact be prevailed by Hell.

Infallibility doesn't necessarily mean 'inerrant'. It simply means that it will always stand. That is probably where your confusion comes from, hearing something of the like explained by your priest or at mass.
No, wait, you must be Anglican or something close to it, because the Roman Church would not allow the woman you speak of as having any part of clergy.

[kayky]

Jesus was silent on marrying pigs and goats too. He was silent on pederasty.

Like I said, it really doesn't matter. Jesus lived 2000 years ago. We know a lot more about human sexuality now.

I may not know the mind of God, but as you can attest to since you claim to have read the entire Bible, there is no such thing as same gender marriage taught or approved of ANYWHERE IN the Bible.

God didn't write the Bible.

So, those of us that hold that silence canot be used logically or honestly to condone Christian gay marriage, have an air tight case for our positions. Those of you that wnat to discard Biblical reality for a new sodom-like morality, have no honest theological leg to stand on.

This is only true if you somehow believe that the Bible is the literal and infallable word of God. I find that to be an unintelligent approach to the Bible.

[Filthy Tugboat]

Matthew 16:18
And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Don't blame Matthew for your delusion.

Lol, Scripture declares Peter's Church as the Church and you call it a delusion.

Do you know the definition of delusion? Well, promoting a liberal agenda with a religion that does not support it is pretty delusional, unless of course you are not really religious and simply have no shame in distorting Christianity for your own appeal.

Peter's Church was a Church of Jerusalem Jews.

As a matter of fact.

Peter was the first bishop of Rome. The first Pope.

Shame there is no evidence to actually support this. Catholics claim to be the Church that the Bible claims Peter started. They have their tradition to support it but that is all.

To deny that is to put prejudice over reason.

False, it would be more reasonable and honest to admit that it is a faith based assertion. I won't say prejudice over reason because hell, it could be true but there is just no solid evidence to support it.

The people who oppose it are from the same circle of people who believe the Earth is 6000 years old. Fundies.
Good luck with that.

False, I oppose the notion and I do not believe the Earth is 6000 years old.

[kayky]

Silenceinmotion: Scripture even states that those not with it scatter. Notice the amount of denominations there are and how they all just step on each others toes whilst the Church just continues on as it always has, not missing a beat. When you look at the Church, you are practically seeing Jesus' promise visibly at work.

It was the abuses of the Catholic church that led to Protestantism in the first place. Was that part of God's plan too?