Why is this called a " Christian DEbate site"

[Tex]

It seems all people do here is attack God.

It should be called an "atheist" debate site. It's most probably to get Christians to come into the lions den.

[Tex]

If God didn't want me to speak up for him.....He should have made me an atheist.

I totally agree, that God doesn't need me for nothing. But I am who I am. Or should I say.... what God made me to be.

Like I asked earlier: What did you expect from this site? What would you like to see here that isn't here? How would you change it? I ask sincerely and in good faith; this might help us all understand your complaints.

I get what he's saying, and Tex can correct me if Iim wrong.

To Tex and I we love God with our whole hearts, minds and lives and to constantly read (from some people) awful things being said about the person we love is painful. I know an atheist might say, "It's an imaginary person!" But to us that is not true. He is the person who picked us up, dusted us off and set our feet on the solid rock.

The more I think about it the more I agree with what Tex is saying. Since this is a christian respectful debate site why is God allowed to be disrespected? I saw a dead person's name being defended and it was made clear that he was to be treated with respect. How much more a living God? Iim not begging the question if Otseng agrees that what I say is true.

Iim not saying people couldn't still vigorously debate His actions or lack thereof but just don't speak disrespectfully about Him. If for no other reason out of respect for believers. It may encourage more christians to stay in the forum which will in turn supply more entertainment for the lions

My two tokens.

Can you give some specific examples of God being "disrespected"?

If you consider doubting whether God even exists, or even asserting that He does NOT exist, "disrespect," then you are asking something that is not reasonable for a site where nonbelievers are welcome. Many of the debates here are about God's existence or nonexistence; demanding that God be respected as a "living God" is absolutely begging the question. You don't begin a debate by assuming that one side is correct.

If you regard asking why God allows horrible things to happen and remarking that one is not willing to worship a God Who would as "disrespectful," that also is too much to ask. Theodicy is one of the chief subjects for debate here, and it is a legitimate one.

I'd still like to hear from Tex on this, but as long as you've rung in, let's see some specific examples of "disrespect" to God and see if they stand up to examination.

Bear in mind that I DO believe in God.

Amazing....We have to show you when atheist disrespect the God we trust and believe in? You the defender of the atheist.....The one who state that you can be an atheist but still pretend to belong to the Church or should I say Synagog.
You make belief in God, even more of a joke to the atheist.

Wake up man!!

[Tex]

If God didn't want me to speak up for him.....He should have made me an atheist.

I totally agree, that God doesn't need me for nothing. But I am who I am. Or should I say.... what God made me to be.

Like I asked earlier: What did you expect from this site? What would you like to see here that isn't here? How would you change it? I ask sincerely and in good faith; this might help us all understand your complaints.

I expect nothing from this site. It's just another place that uses the word "Christianity" for publicity. Once you are here you see there is no discussion about what or what not our Lord wanted from us. We are here only to be used as tools to be made to look like idiots for believing in a so called "fictional" Character.

Which you also left BTW. One who abandoned the teaching of Christ. So your also in a position to make sure you prove your choice was a wise one.

[Divine Insight]

I'm not saying people couldn't still vigorously debate His actions or lack thereof but just don't speak disrespectfully about Him. If for no other reason out of respect for believers. It may encourage more christians to stay in the forum which will in turn supply more entertainment for the lions

My two tokens.

Why should someone who rejects the biblical account of God as being ignorant have to pretend that those ancient fables are respectable, especially if their very reason for rejecting them is precisely because they feel that are totally unworthy of respect?

If I'm forced to concede that they are respectable stories, my objections to them are automatically dismissed.

It's precisely the fact that these stories deserve no respect, is why I reject them.

That's my whole basis for rejecting them.

I'll give you respect.

But I'm not about to give the ancient Hebrew fables respect. The fact that they are unworthy of respect is indeed my very argument against them.

[Tex]

I'm not saying people couldn't still vigorously debate His actions or lack thereof but just don't speak disrespectfully about Him. If for no other reason out of respect for believers. It may encourage more christians to stay in the forum which will in turn supply more entertainment for the lions

My two tokens.

Why should someone who rejects the biblical account of God as being ignorant have to pretend that those ancient fables are respectable, especially if their very reason for rejecting them is precisely because they feel that are totally unworthy of respect?

If I'm forced to concede that they are respectable stories, my objections to them are automatically dismissed.

It's precisely the fact that these stories deserve no respect, is why I reject them.

That's my whole basis for rejecting them.

I'll give you respect.

But I'm not about to give the ancient Hebrew fables respect. The fact that they are unworthy of respect is indeed my very argument against them.

Thank you Divine,
You save me some time. Not like I would have had to go far. But it is always good when it come from the horses mouth.

[Divine Insight]

I expect nothing from this site. It's just another place that uses the word "Christianity" for publicity. Once you are here you see there is no discussion about what or what not our Lord wanted from us. We are here only to be used as tools to be made to look like idiots for believing in a so called "fictional" Character.

I personally have extreme arguments against your position on this specific point.

Christianity is a highly proselytizing and evangelizing religion. The religion, both in scripture, and via the people who follow it, is being used to accuse ALL PEOPLE of being heathens, sinners, and worshipers of Satan who have blatantly chosen to reject God via their own free will choice.

That, my friend is one hell of an accusation.

And now you're telling us that we have no right to rebuttal of these charges?

The idea that 'only believers" have a right to speak out positive and supportive view of Christianity and those who STAND ACCUSED of being heathen sinners have no right to speak out against the religion is precisely the brainwashing mentality that has kept this archaic ignorant religion alive for so many centuries.

We THE ACCUSED, (i.e. anyone who doesn't believe in Christianity) have every right to point out the utter absurdities of these ancient myths.

What you are suggesting is that every single web site that discusses Christianity must do so as "Bible Study" by believers only, whilst the accused heathens are silenced by not being permitted to speak out unless they are willing to do so by first accepting that the Bible is indeed the "Word of God" and treating it with this level of respect.

That's baloney.

And you just accused Cnorman18 of being in a position to have to "prove" that his choice was a wise choice.

Which you also left BTW. One who abandoned the teaching of Christ. So your also in a position to make sure you prove your choice was a wise one.

How utterly arrogant is that on your part?

Cnorman doesn't need to prove anything to you in terms of his personal choices in life. That's a very personal accusation being made toward him right there.

It's these kind of personal accusations that get you in trouble here Tex.

No one is passing any judgements on your choices. And you have no right to be prying into the personal choices of others, or making any personal insinuations like that at all.

Here's a graphic that says it all I think:



Christianity is the most hypocritical religion on Earth.

The religion is used to constantly disrespect and degrade non-Christians, but the moment someone speaks out against the Christian dogma, the Christians start screaming foul and demand respect.

How hypocritical is that?

I have no sympathy at all for Christianity the religion, and even less sympathy for the followers who use the religion to belittle others and then scream foul when those people point out the utter ignorance and absurdities of this religion.

And this hypocritical mentality that this religion incites in some people is just more reasons why it's so detrimental to humanity.

You can't be using Christianity to belittle other people and then complain when they show no respect for your religion, accusations, and insinuations toward them.

I'm personally not an atheist, but like the atheist in the graphic above I would love nothing more than to break that ignorant symbolic cross to pieces. It's become nothing more than a club that Christians use to beat other people over the head with just as portrayed in the above graphic.

And then they demand respect?

I don't think they deserve respect after that.

[Divine Insight]

Thank you Divine,
You save me some time. Not like I would have had to go far. But it is always good when it come from the horses mouth.

I make no secret about it Tex. I have absolutely no respect for the ancient religion of the male-chauvinistic Hebrews who created a jealous God who hates their enemies to give them an excuse to commit genocide and steall the land of another culture in the name of their God.

To me, that's all this religion is, and I disagree with many of its immoral principles, especially from the Old Testament.

People who read my posts know that I have great respect for the teachings of Jesus who also rebuked the immoral teachings of the Old Testament.

And since he did reject those immoral teachings I see no reason to believe the rumors that he was the demigod son of the fictitious God of the OT.

Do you consider this point of view as being "disrespectful" toward Christianity?

I really have no reason to respect "Christianity".

To me, Christianity is nothing more than the superstition that Jesus was a demigod, and I don't buy into those superstitions.

What's wrong with that?

And far more importantly, why should you be personally threatened or offended by that?

Are you afraid that I might be right?

[Tex]

I expect nothing from this site. It's just another place that uses the word "Christianity" for publicity. Once you are here you see there is no discussion about what or what not our Lord wanted from us. We are here only to be used as tools to be made to look like idiots for believing in a so called "fictional" Character.

I personally have extreme arguments against your position on this specific point.

Christianity is a highly proselytizing and evangelizing religion. The religion, both in scripture, and via the people who follow it, is being used to accuse ALL PEOPLE of being heathens, sinners, and worshipers of Satan who have blatantly chosen to reject God via their own free will choice.

That, my friend is one hell of an accusation.

And now you're telling us that we have no right to rebuttal of these charges?

The idea that 'only believers" have a right to speak out positive and supportive view of Christianity and those who STAND ACCUSED of being heathen sinners have no right to speak out against the religion is precisely the brainwashing mentality that has kept this archaic ignorant religion alive for so many centuries.

We THE ACCUSED, (i.e. anyone who doesn't believe in Christianity) have every right to point out the utter absurdities of these ancient myths.

What you are suggesting is that every single web site that discusses Christianity must do so as "Bible Study" by believers only, whilst the accused heathens are silenced by not being permitted to speak out unless they are willing to do so by first accepting that the Bible is indeed the "Word of God" and treating it with this level of respect.

That's baloney.

And you just accused Cnorman18 of being in a position to have to "prove" that his choice was a wise choice.

Which you also left BTW. One who abandoned the teaching of Christ. So your also in a position to make sure you prove your choice was a wise one.

How utterly arrogant is that on your part?

Cnorman doesn't need to prove anything to you in terms of his personal choices in life. That's a very personal accusation being made toward him right there.

It's these kind of personal accusations that get you in trouble here Tex.

No one is passing any judgements on your choices. And you have no right to be prying into the personal choices of others, or making any personal insinuations like that at all.

Here's a graphic that says it all I think:



Christianity is the most hypocritical religion on Earth.

The religion is used to constantly disrespect and degrade non-Christians, but the moment someone speaks out against the Christian dogma, the Christians start screaming foul and demand respect.

How hypocritical is that?

I have no sympathy at all for Christianity the religion, and even less sympathy for the followers who use the religion to belittle others and then scream foul when those people point out the utter ignorance and absurdities of this religion.

And this hypocritical mentality that this religion incites in some people is just more reasons why it's so detrimental to humanity.

You can't be using Christianity to belittle other people and then complain when they show no respect for your religion, accusations, and insinuations toward them.

I'm personally not an atheist, but like the atheist in the graphic above I would love nothing more than to break that ignorant symbolic cross to pieces. It's become nothing more than a club that Christians use to beat other people over the head with just as portrayed in the above graphic.

And then they demand respect?

I don't think they deserve respect after that.

As you can see.....If people don't want to believe in Christ....They know where the door is. I won't kill you for it. You don't like our religion, don't be one of us.
But then you leave and start complaining why it is you left. Your complaints are nothing to me and is just seen as a way for you to fend your frustrations.....And this is the best place for you to do that. Hoping a few Christian will hear your cry.

[Divine Insight]

As you can see.....If people don't want to believe in Christ....They know where the door is. I won't kill you for it. You don't like our religion, don't be one of us.

What door are you talking about Tex? Do you think this discussion site is a Christian Church?

And what do you mean by "our" religion, or "one of us".

Clearly you are viewing Christianity as some sort of exclusive club.

I'm not even on that wavelength at all Tex. I don't even consider "Christiandom" at all. That is to say, that I'm not the least bit interested in or concerned with groups of individuals alive today who have deluded themselves into believing that they own Christianity or that they own Jesus as "The Christ".

If that's your mentality, then you and I could never have a meaningful conversation about "Christianity" because we'd be talking about two entirely different things.

I speak to the scriptures and the claims made by the ancient authors who wrote this stuff. Those are the only "True Christians" as far as I'm concerned.

The fact that the religion has the effect on you to make you feel that you somehow own the rights to it is precisely the kind of negativity I feel this religion has on humanity. I has the negative effect of causing its followers to believe that they somehow own Jesus.

But then you leave and start complaining why it is you left. Your complaints are nothing to me and is just seen as a way for you to fend your frustrations.....And this is the best place for you to do that. Hoping a few Christian will hear your cry.

I'm truly not concerned with your personal views of me Tex.

That's totally irrelevant.

From my perspective an ancient ignorant male-chauvinistic society created a mythical jealous God who supposedly hates heathens where a heathen is simply defined as anyone who refuses to cower down to the religion created by this ignorant male-chauvinistic society.

I was born into a family and culture that had already bought into this ancient myth and it was for that reason, and that reason alone, that I ever even gave it any consideration at all.

In the beginning I did accept it naively as a matter of pure faith. Only because my parents, extended family, and church members told me that it was true. Of course some of them confessed that even they have doubts, and some of those were even preachers!

I decided that I would like to "spread God's Word" and help people to better understand it. So I looked into the matter deeply myself. What I discovered when I did this is that the religion hasn't a prayer of being true. I've concluded that it cannot possibly be true.

So now you're suggesting that I should just go hide in the corner and not share with other people what I've learned?

Why?

Why should I not share my discoveries that this religion has no more merit than Greek Mythology?

Why should you expect me to hide the truth I've discovered?

This site is not a Bible Study site Tex.

Everyone who is here is not here to support these ancient myths in spite of the overwhelming evidence against them.

The case against these ancient superstitious, and often highly immoral, myths is profound, and people have the right to hear this truth whether you approve of it or not.

You do not own Christianity, neither do you own Jesus, so you can take that mindset and shove it where the sun don't shine.

I reject the fables of an ancient society of male-chauvinistic pigs. And if that offends you, all I can say is that I'm sorry, but that doesn't change a thing.

To be fair, I'm personally shocked that you would support such an immoral collection of fables as being the "Word of God", but that's your problem, not mine.

[AdHoc]

If God didn't want me to speak up for him.....He should have made me an atheist.

I totally agree, that God doesn't need me for nothing. But I am who I am. Or should I say.... what God made me to be.

Like I asked earlier: What did you expect from this site? What would you like to see here that isn't here? How would you change it? I ask sincerely and in good faith; this might help us all understand your complaints.

I get what he's saying, and Tex can correct me if I'm wrong.

To Tex and I we love God with our whole hearts, minds and lives and to constantly read (from some people) awful things being said about the person we love is painful. I know an atheist might say, "It's an imaginary person!" But to us that is not true. He is the person who picked us up, dusted us off and set our feet on the solid rock.

The more I think about it the more I agree with what Tex is saying. Since this is a christian respectful debate site why is God allowed to be disrespected? I saw a dead person's name being defended and it was made clear that he was to be treated with respect. How much more a living God? I'm not begging the question if Otseng agrees that what I say is true.

I'm not saying people couldn't still vigorously debate His actions or lack thereof but just don't speak disrespectfully about Him. If for no other reason out of respect for believers. It may encourage more christians to stay in the forum which will in turn supply more entertainment for the lions

My two tokens.

Can you give some specific examples of God being "disrespected"?

If you consider doubting whether God even exists, or even asserting that He does NOT exist, "disrespect," then you are asking something that is not reasonable for a site where nonbelievers are welcome. Many of the debates here are about God's existence or nonexistence; demanding that God be respected as a "living God" is absolutely begging the question. You don't begin a debate by assuming that one side is correct.

If you regard asking why God allows horrible things to happen and remarking that one is not willing to worship a God Who would as "disrespectful," that also is too much to ask. Theodicy is one of the chief subjects for debate here, and it is a legitimate one.

I'd still like to hear from Tex on this, but as long as you've rung in, let's see some specific examples of "disrespect" to God and see if they stand up to examination.

Bear in mind that I DO believe in God.

When I first read your post I was like, really I have to go through and actually read, copy and reproduce the disrepectful posts? But then I was ironically happy that Divine Insight posted some evidence. In addition to the evidence Divine Insight provided in this thread here's another one...
Here

[AdHoc]

I expect nothing from this site. It's just another place that uses the word "Christianity" for publicity. Once you are here you see there is no discussion about what or what not our Lord wanted from us. We are here only to be used as tools to be made to look like idiots for believing in a so called "fictional" Character.

I personally have extreme arguments against your position on this specific point.

Christianity is a highly proselytizing and evangelizing religion. The religion, both in scripture, and via the people who follow it, is being used to accuse ALL PEOPLE of being heathens, sinners, and worshipers of Satan who have blatantly chosen to reject God via their own free will choice.

That, my friend is one hell of an accusation.

And now you're telling us that we have no right to rebuttal of these charges?

The idea that 'only believers" have a right to speak out positive and supportive view of Christianity and those who STAND ACCUSED of being heathen sinners have no right to speak out against the religion is precisely the brainwashing mentality that has kept this archaic ignorant religion alive for so many centuries.

We THE ACCUSED, (i.e. anyone who doesn't believe in Christianity) have every right to point out the utter absurdities of these ancient myths.

What you are suggesting is that every single web site that discusses Christianity must do so as "Bible Study" by believers only, whilst the accused heathens are silenced by not being permitted to speak out unless they are willing to do so by first accepting that the Bible is indeed the "Word of God" and treating it with this level of respect.

That's baloney.

And you just accused Cnorman18 of being in a position to have to "prove" that his choice was a wise choice.

Which you also left BTW. One who abandoned the teaching of Christ. So your also in a position to make sure you prove your choice was a wise one.

How utterly arrogant is that on your part?

Cnorman doesn't need to prove anything to you in terms of his personal choices in life. That's a very personal accusation being made toward him right there.

It's these kind of personal accusations that get you in trouble here Tex.

No one is passing any judgements on your choices. And you have no right to be prying into the personal choices of others, or making any personal insinuations like that at all.

Here's a graphic that says it all I think:



Christianity is the most hypocritical religion on Earth.

The religion is used to constantly disrespect and degrade non-Christians, but the moment someone speaks out against the Christian dogma, the Christians start screaming foul and demand respect.

How hypocritical is that?

I have no sympathy at all for Christianity the religion, and even less sympathy for the followers who use the religion to belittle others and then scream foul when those people point out the utter ignorance and absurdities of this religion.

And this hypocritical mentality that this religion incites in some people is just more reasons why it's so detrimental to humanity.

You can't be using Christianity to belittle other people and then complain when they show no respect for your religion, accusations, and insinuations toward them.

I'm personally not an atheist, but like the atheist in the graphic above I would love nothing more than to break that ignorant symbolic cross to pieces. It's become nothing more than a club that Christians use to beat other people over the head with just as portrayed in the above graphic.

And then they demand respect?

I don't think they deserve respect after that.

Your cartoon really doesn't resonate with me. Can you please specify when Tex or I "used Christianity to belittle you"? As I searched for examples for people saying really disrespectful things about God I found a few and they were all written by you.
Obviously something has happened to you in the past that really made you hate the idea of God.
I can understand hating people or organizations who have wronged you. But for the life of me I can't understand hating the cross. Ignore it, sure. But to me it represents God's love for you. Ignore it, don't believe it, sure.
But why hate it?