Why is this called a " Christian DEbate site"

[Tex]

It seems all people do here is attack God.

It should be called an "atheist" debate site. It's most probably to get Christians to come into the lions den.

[Tex]

That is another falsehood. I have NEVER said that Jesus was not the Christ. Feel free to find a quote where I did; I have over 7,000 posts here -- better start hunting.

Tex: Word games again.....Do you believe Lord Jesus to be the Christ then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ

Christians believe him so.. but the Christain concept of 'The Christ' is a different concept of the Jewish Messiah. Jesus does not qualify for being the Jewish Messiah. Christians can call Jesus anything they want, but they do not have the right to impose their religious concepts on another religion.

The Jewish faith does not accept the Christian concept of 'The Christ' to be valid for Judaism.

Tex: Interesting.....And what will the Jewish Messiah do to us Christians when he comes? Tells us we were wrong?
Unless he is God, why should I believe the JEWISH MESSIAH? Of course he will have to come with a birth certificate and maybe some DNA....Run through the exam and then wait for the Jewish scholar to take a vote and see if this is the person they want as a Messiah.

[Divine Insight]

The New Testament is not Scripture to Jews. That means only that it is not authoritative for us, which is not the same as saying it is false. I have no knowledge of that and do not claim to. I have, for the record, studied the NT extensively under world-class scholars at Southern Methodist University, and I regard NONE of it as "fable" or "fiction" or anything of the kind. The fact that I no longer accept it as Scripture does not mean or imply any such thing.

I do not even regard the Hebrew Bible as "the Word of God" as you probably do; I regard it as the literature of the Jewish people, and neither history, science treatise, nor the direct words of the Almighty. Again, that is not the same as saying it is "false" or a "fable."

Cnorman,

I can't imagine you giving Tex any more respect than you already have. You've given him the ultimate respect.

If he can't see the profound respect that you are giving him by now, he never will see it.

[Tex]

Christians believe him so.. but the Christain concept of 'The Christ' is a different concept of the Jewish Messiah. Jesus does not qualify for being the Jewish Messiah. Christians can call Jesus anything they want, but they do not have the right to impose their religious concepts on another religion.

Tex: To bad the Jews 2000 years didn't listen to you. It seems they believed they had a write to "impose" their" beliefs on us. It's not like we just started believing in the Jewish God for fun.

[Divine Insight]

Tex:If I told you this....What would you say to me?

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of Gods one and only Son.

If you said that to me, I would tell you the following truth:

I read the Bible too, but personally I don't believe that it's anything more than outrageous superstitious rumors at best, or potentially even intentional deceitful lies.

That's my truth Tex.

Are you offended by that?

If so, why?

[Goat]

That is another falsehood. I have NEVER said that Jesus was not the Christ. Feel free to find a quote where I did; I have over 7,000 posts here -- better start hunting.

Tex: Word games again.....Do you believe Lord Jesus to be the Christ then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ

Christians believe him so.. but the Christain concept of 'The Christ' is a different concept of the Jewish Messiah. Jesus does not qualify for being the Jewish Messiah. Christians can call Jesus anything they want, but they do not have the right to impose their religious concepts on another religion.

The Jewish faith does not accept the Christian concept of 'The Christ' to be valid for Judaism.

Tex: Interesting.....And what will the Jewish Messiah do to us Christians when he comes? Tells us we were wrong?
Unless he is God, why should I believe the JEWISH MESSIAH? Of course he will have to come with a birth certificate and maybe some DNA....Run through the exam and then wait for the Jewish scholar to take a vote and see if this is the person they want as a Messiah.

And who said the Jewish Messiah will do ANYTHING to Christians? The Jewish messiah accomplish items for the Jewish religion., supposedly. The one big side effect allegedly will be 1000 years of peace.. and I am sure that people of all religions can benefit from that. The Jewish messiah is supposed to do things that accomplish things for THIS life, not a hypothetical next one.

And there is no reason for you to believe in the Jewish messiah... many Jews do not believe in a 'Star messiah'.. but rather a messianic age that all Jews should work towards. However, from a Jewish perspective, the Jewish Messiah, or the Messianic age has not arrived, because the requirement for the person/age have not been met.

[Tex]

The New Testament is not Scripture to Jews. That means only that it is not authoritative for us, which is not the same as saying it is false. I have no knowledge of that and do not claim to. I have, for the record, studied the NT extensively under world-class scholars at Southern Methodist University, and I regard NONE of it as "fable" or "fiction" or anything of the kind. The fact that I no longer accept it as Scripture does not mean or imply any such thing.

I do not even regard the Hebrew Bible as "the Word of God" as you probably do; I regard it as the literature of the Jewish people, and neither history, science treatise, nor the direct words of the Almighty. Again, that is not the same as saying it is "false" or a "fable."

Tex: Yet again....Very interesting.....You do not believe that the Torah is the word of God. Then where did Moses get it from....Mohammed?

[Tex]

That is another falsehood. I have NEVER said that Jesus was not the Christ. Feel free to find a quote where I did; I have over 7,000 posts here -- better start hunting.

Tex: Word games again.....Do you believe Lord Jesus to be the Christ then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ

Christians believe him so.. but the Christain concept of 'The Christ' is a different concept of the Jewish Messiah. Jesus does not qualify for being the Jewish Messiah. Christians can call Jesus anything they want, but they do not have the right to impose their religious concepts on another religion.

The Jewish faith does not accept the Christian concept of 'The Christ' to be valid for Judaism.

Tex: Interesting.....And what will the Jewish Messiah do to us Christians when he comes? Tells us we were wrong?
Unless he is God, why should I believe the JEWISH MESSIAH? Of course he will have to come with a birth certificate and maybe some DNA....Run through the exam and then wait for the Jewish scholar to take a vote and see if this is the person they want as a Messiah.

And who said the Jewish Messiah will do ANYTHING to Christians? The Jewish messiah accomplish items for the Jewish religion., supposedly. The one big side effect allegedly will be 1000 years of peace.. and I am sure that people of all religions can benefit from that. The Jewish messiah is supposed to do things that accomplish things for THIS life, not a hypothetical next one.

Unless he is God himself....I really like to know how a man will do this?

[Tex]

Tex:If I told you this....What would you say to me?

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of Gods one and only Son.

If you said that to me, I would tell you the following truth:

I read the Bible too, but personally I don't believe that it's anything more than outrageous superstitious rumors at best, or potentially even intentional deceitful lies.

That's my truth Tex.

Are you offended by that?

If so, why?

Tex: As long as it's your personal beliefs....Why should I care.
Just like an atheist....He doesn't have to believe in God. But if he wants to call it false...Then I will something. If he then wants to insult my intelligence for believing what I do....Then he will hear something else. Pretty simple.

[Divine Insight]

If he then wants to insult my intelligence for believing what I do....Then he will hear something else. Pretty simple.

But no one is insulting your intelligence for believing it.

If you ask me why I reject it, I will indeed tell you that I reject it because I personally feel that it's utterly stupid and ignorant, IMHO.

Is that an insult to your intelligence?

No it's not. It's simply an expression of why I personally reject it.

If you disagree with my assessment, more power to you.

To each their own.

[Tex]

If he then wants to insult my intelligence for believing what I do....Then he will hear something else. Pretty simple.

But no one is insulting your intelligence for believing it.

If you ask me why I reject it, I will indeed tell you that I reject it because I personally feel that it's utterly stupid and ignorant, IMHO.

Is that an insult to your intelligence?

No it's not. It's simply an expression of why I personally reject it.

If you disagree with my assessment, more power to you.

To each their own.

Yes!! You can say it without the insults. You are calling what I believe stupid and ignorant. But you are so clueless that you don't even realize it.

A simple .....I disagree, because I believe it to be fiction is enough. You Know, there are a lot of people that don't see it as such....But what do you care....You're Master of the Universe.