Is Jesus God ?!!

[mms20102]

As for all Christians its known by nature that Jesus is God yet there are many contradictions in the bible that can prove that Jesus is only a prophet .

In this debate i want every one who has a good knowledge to give the reasonable proofs that Jesus is god or at any point of the bible where Jesus said worship me .

At the same time i will be providing proofs from the bible that Jesus is not God but only a messenger

as for a start i will ask a question :

What Are The Qualification Of God ?!

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 95 by rosary]

No rosary.

Jesus, in Latin is, "Iezeus."

Which means to the Latin (and Greek) speaking world of Jesus' era, Ie Zeus, or Hail Zeus.

Zeus, or Dyeus, or Deus, is still God today, in most of the Christian world; therefore most Christians worship Zeus, or Theos, therefore Zeus is god.

Sorry.

Jesus means in Hebrew: God saves.

Click here.

I agree with you Rosary that Jesus's Hebrew name, (Yahshua, Yeshua, Yehoshua) means "God Saves" but more literally, "YHVH (Jehovah, Y'hovah, Yahweh, Yahveh saves" or "YHVH is salvation".

From wikipedia:

The name Yehoshua has the form of a compound of "Yeho-" and "shua": Yeho- יְהוֹ is another form of יָהו Yahu, a theophoric element standing for the name of God יהוה (the tetragrammaton YHWH, sometimes transcribed into English as Yahweh or Jehovah), and ש�וּעַ shua‘ is a noun meaning "a cry for help", "a saving cry",[11][12][13] that is to say, a shout given when in need of rescue. Together, the name would then literally mean, "YHWH (Yahu) is a saving-cry," that is to say, shout to YHWH [God] when in need of help.

I disagree with Willum's "consipiracy theory" (for lack of a better phrase) that Christians supposedly worship Zeus.

But I also disagree with your assertion that "Jesus is God". Jesus never says these three simple words: "I am God" nor does the Bible ever state that "Jesus is God".

In fact, Jesus himself identifies the Father as the "only true God". (John 17.3)

[Tired of the Nonsense]

[Replying to FiremanWes77]

"Not only is evolution absurd, the way the earth was formed according to scientist in my opinion takes more faith than to believe in God, there's only theories."

I have often thought the same.

"Faith is a substance of things not seen.." Substance is something that exists.

It is Life Force in all living things evident to all to observe.

The current theory on the formation of the Earth, is that the Earth and the rest of the solar system formed from a nebular cloud of dust and gas through the effects of gravity. Are you familiar with gravity, or does it take more faith than you possess to believe that it exists? What of nebular clouds of gas and dust? Are they simply too extreme a concept to accept on faith? Little more than the vague notions of the crackpots and scientists which have invented them out of thin air? Or does the fact that the existence of other nebulae are easily detected through telescopes count for anything?

When watching a magic show presented by a very skilled magician, some in the audience will be impressed by the skill of the magician to present his tricks, his "magic," in a fashion that does not openly reveal how the trick was done. And yet they know that it is just a trick, a bit of clever slight of hand, and the laws of physics were not altered as they watched. Others in the audience however, being innately gullible, and just a bit thick, will see the same tricks performed, the same "magic," and be fully convinced that the magician possesses "powers" to actually overcome and bend the laws of physics to his will. Because some people are easily fooled, and it is much easier to suppose that magic is real then it is to understand that there is a good deal more is going on than they understand, and to then make the attempt to figure it all out.

The universe is one grand magic show. The gullible look at it and see no further than their belief that magic makes it all work. Others however seek to understand how the "magic" works. We call these people scientists. And what these not so gullible scientists have discovered is that everything occurs for reasons which can not only be understood, but utilized. Which has led to this vastly expanding plethora of modern technological marvels that too many of us take for granted today. God did not give us this technology. It is the result of research and experimentation. And on the findings of one being built on and utilized by others.

The gullible though simply conclude that "God did it," while on the one hand learning to use the modern technological marvels, and yet on the other hand dissing and doubting the science that made the technology possible. Because science is difficult, and simply concluding that "God did it" requires no effort at all.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 101 by Elijah John]

Actually you must be wrong, as evidence will point to light.

YHWH is just how you write Yahweh without vowels. Thats how it was written in the ORIGINAL Canaan and Phonetician. Citing a Catholic, BIASED source is incorrect.

Yahwey. or Yahu did not mean what you want it to in Canaan or Phonetician either. He was essentially the same a Marduk in Babylonian religions.

http://media.sabda.org/alkitab-2/PDF%20 ... 20Epic.pdf

In Canaan Yeshua does not mean "God saves," or whatever. First that is not how you would spell it. You need to translate it from Hebrew, to Greek to Latin to come up with it.

Anyway, it it not a conspiracy, but a derivation (your interpretation requires as conspiracy and derivation, mind you).

The reality only requires that Latin and Greek are what they are:
If you understood Greek and Latin, as your primary languages, which was the case at about 0 AD, and for hundreds of year after, anyone who you said Jesus to, would understand it to mean "Hail Zeus."

There is no conspiracy or way 'round it.

Incidentally, for you to be correct, you would need an extra vowel. Well, 1. Joshua in Greek is Iosua. In Latin, which Christians so dearly need it to be mistranslated from, it would be Iosuoeus. They need the syllables to be correct in Latin. In any event, there is no correct way to spell Joshua in Greek or Latin: It is completely phonetic language, so a need for specific derivation is a compounded falsehood. But again, not on my side.

It should be clear now you need to run it through Greek to get it to a Latin Jesus.

So, the only possible conspiracy is on your side.
Mine, you only need ears and use Greek and Latin as your spoken language.

[JLB32168]

MMS20102

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only BEGOTTEN son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16 - AV)

What is the offspring of a female F. domesticus or common housecat? If my son has a son/daughter, what species will s/he be?

[mms20102]

[Replying to post 104 by JLB32168]

Go back to my post with 13 points and make a case or don't tag until u come to an answer to the 13 points one by one

[JLB32168]

Jesus, in Latin is, "Iezeus."

It’s actually Iesvs, but it isn’t a Latin name. It’s Greek and the spelling was Iesous (but in Greek letters of course.) It doesn’t remotely suggest “Zeus� which was written with a Zeta.

Zeus, or Dyeus, or Deus, is still God today, in most of the Christian world; therefore most Christians worship Zeus, or Theos, therefore Zeus is god.

The Roman/Latin equivalent for Zeus isn’t “Zeus.� It’s “Jupiter� or Iupiter and would be written “Jove� in most contexts.

[Zzyzx]

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Go back to my post with 13 points and make a case or don't tag until u come to an answer to the 13 points one by one

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[Willum]

Jesus, in Latin is, "Iezeus."

It’s actually Iesvs, but it isn’t a Latin name. It’s Greek and the spelling was Iesous (but in Greek letters of course.) It doesn’t remotely suggest “Zeus� which was written with a Zeta.

Zeus, or Dyeus, or Deus, is still God today, in most of the Christian world; therefore most Christians worship Zeus, or Theos, therefore Zeus is god.

The Roman/Latin equivalent for Zeus isn’t “Zeus.� It’s “Jupiter� or Iupiter and would be written “Jove� in most contexts.

Amazingly enough, it does.

Pronounce it with me now: Sus, as in Jesus. Now pronounce Zeus, as in Zeus. Same pronunciation.

Amazingly enough Jupiter, is actually Dyupater, or Dyus-father, or just Dyus (Zeus).

Theos, if you pronounce it "properly," like a Frenchman might, is again Deus. Which is OK, because both Greek and Latin are phonetic languages - there is no correct spelling, only correct pronunciation.

And of course, as usual, folks try to wriggle off the point.

The point is this, if Latin or Greek were the language you spoke, in other words, the entire civilized world of -300 to ~400AD, if I said the word Iesvs to you, you would hear it to mean "Hail Zeus."

You can keep trying the propaganda, but it doesn't work.

All roads lead to Zeus, all pronunciations of Jesus lead to Hail Zeus.

Just Rome usurping the religion of Palestine with it's own religion. Final proof: Elohim of Palestine, magically became Joveh (Jove) when Rome invaded.

In accordance with Roman policy of usurping religion to pacify conquests. What is interesting to me, is this must have occurred when Rome put the Pharisee in power over the Sadducee, why did no one notice?

[JLB32168]

You are speaking about the bible so i ask you , Is there a proof from the bible that jesus said iam god >> no

Jesus never said, “You shall not kill� either. We’d be fools to assume he was cool with hacking your neighbors to death for playing their stereo too loud; furthermore, he accept worship from Thomas when Thomas said, “My Lord and my God.�

They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. (2 Corinthians 4:4)

What is the exact likeness of God?

I need to ask why "the god" is on small g while its a proper noun from the translation ? and is the Devil and Moses are Gods!

God is uncreated, according to Hebrew and Christian theology. Quite clearly the devil, Moses, and Pharoah were created. Jesus isn’t “made� god. John’s Prologue says he was God, participated in the Creation, etc.

those verses states clearly Jesus says Im not like father " my god "

These verses aren’t a conflict with Trinitarian theology.

And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?� 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. "

Jesus also called himself the “Good Shepherd.� He also didn’t say, “I’m not good.�

If Jesus doesn't know and only The father knows then he is not god.

#1 Jesus could be speaking from a mere human perspective, or #2 – Jesus only wished to cut off further discussion on the topic but actually knew the exact time.

God gets tempted by satan ?

God was tempted by the Hebrews. “To tempt� doesn’t mean that one has to be enticed by the temptation. If someone tempts they are merely trying to get you to follow. You can reject from following straight off the bat. You’ve still been tempted in spite of not feeling the least inclination to follow. One may tempt me to eat dung pie. I’d be repulsed by it from the outset. That is why God can be tempted.

If Christ is the 2nd Adam and must realign man’s nature to comport w/the Father then he must do, as a human, the opposite of Adam. In doing so he fixes the ontology of man, that is, just as Adam’s disobedience corrupted all of creation (in spite of the fact that not all of us disobeyed) Christ’s obedience redoes everything.

If god the creator of figs don't know what season it comes then who knows

These are the writings of men relaying what they saw – not God’s Dictaphone recorded words.

again father is doing all the work jesus is just doing nothing but asking

Jesus didn’t need to ask anything and said as much so I’m not sure of the import of his asking since he said it wasn’t necessary.

do god sleep?

Christ was also a man and as a man had the natural passions – such as the passion of fatigue, hunger, and thirst. We sleep. Our souls don’t.
And finally, Christ arrogated to hiself a privilege that Judaism says only God has – the right to forgive sins committed against God. That is why the people were shocked because they said, “Who is this man because only God can forgive sins [committed against himself.]�

[JLB32168]

Pronounce it with me now: Sus, as in Jesus. Now pronounce Zeus, as in Zeus. Same pronunciation.

The Zeta in Greek is pronounced like a modern ‘Z/Zed.’ The position of the tongue against the teeth is the same but a Zeta is voiced. A Sigma isn’t. Iesous is not pronounced the same way in English, which is what your argument demands. Secondly, Greek wouldn’t use the word “Jupiter� or any form of it. It would use Zeus.

All roads lead to Zeus, all pronunciations of Jesus lead to Hail Zeus.

The book of Joshua is spelled Iesous as well. Is it your assertion that the Greek Jews were hailing Zeus when referring to Joshua son of Nun (Iesous tou Navi)?