Evangelicals vs. Jehovah's Witnesses

[Elijah John]

Evangelicals often call Jehovah's Witnesses, a "cult" and not Christian.

Jehovah's Witnesses, seem to consider Roman Catholics, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox etc, "not-Christian" (JWs please correct me if I'm wrong on this)

Question for debate, why can't all of these groups rightly be considered "Christian"?

And part two of this OP question is directed primarily to Evangelicals, why don't you consider JWs to be Christian?

[onewithhim]

Evangelicals often call Jehovah's Witnesses, a "cult" and not Christian.

Jehovah's Witnesses, seem to consider Roman Catholics, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox etc, "not-Christian" (JWs please correct me if I'm wrong on this)

Question for debate, why can't all of these groups rightly be considered "Christian"?

And part two of this OP question is directed primarily to Evangelicals, why don't you consider JWs to be Christian?

People use the terminology "Christian", But according to the Bible, not every born again believer is a Biblical Christian, Never mind the JWs Catholics and other false religions.
And the reason is, It was the people who saw the disciples acting just like Jesus and doing healings and miracles, That made them call the disciples "Christians".
Acts 11: 20--26.
The Bible tells us that The gospel is preached with Mighty signs and wonders, by the power of God, Rom 15: 19. Mk 16: 17--20. Hen 2: 3--4.

OK, so...

-What is the difference between a "born-again believer" and a "Biblical Christian"?
Sounds to me like an arbitrary dictinction. Please clarify.

-If Jehovah's Witnesses, and Roman Catholicism are "false religions" what is the "true" religion/denomination? Both sects honor God through Jesus, why would either be "false"?

-Doing healings, miracles, signs and wonders is the Biblical sign of a true Christian? So..unless one: a) does healings, b) walks on water, c) raises the dead, d) drinks poison safely, e) handles snakes....they are NOT Christian?

How 'bout you, do you do any or all of these things?

How 'bout these things instead: forgiving others, being a good example to others, giving to charity, giving people hope, being a peacemaker, lifting people's spirits...aren't these signs of a true Christian?

If that is the case, I'm certain that many Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses qualify!

I have given you the Biblical meaning of a Christian.
People use the meaning of a Christian, as one who believes in Jesus, but the devil believes, but he isn't a Christian.

There is only one way to get saved, (become the true faith ),
and that's the Biblical way of salvation, which the Catholics and the JWS don't teach.

As for your last point, you are getting believers, (the religious type of Christians) mixed up with the Biblical definition of a Christian.

God does use me to heal the sick and do miracles.

Being good, charity, forgiving people , doesn't make one a Christian, even those who don't believe, can do those things.

You apparently aren't familiar with what JWs teach. You say that there is only one way to get saved and we don't teach it.....so, how does one do that? How does one find "the true faith"? What do you say is "the Biblical way of salvation"?

If you can heal the sick and perform miracles, why aren't you healing the world?

[onewithhim]

The Catholics so-called faith healers are not from God, as He will never confirm the erroneous Catholic Church, so the healing's are done by the devil.
If you know about the so-called visions of Mary,and the unbiblical things the say, you would know that the miracles that come through those visions, are of the devil.

Could it be that God's love transcends your understanding of "correct" doctrine and the limits you are trying to impose on that love?

Maybe God works beyond your interpretations and understandings.

I would be very careful about pronouncements such as you are making here...

You seem awfully sure or yourself. Has it occurred to you that you could be wrong?

Those are uncharitable statements, to say the least. Maybe even false witness, idle words and judgemental, or worse.

God won't work beyond His word, and the Catholics don't teach God's word.
God only confirms His word.

It's not that I'm sure of myself, but that I'm sure of God's word.
And the Catholics don't teach God's word, as their doctrines AREN'T in the Bible.
God said He watches over HIS WORD, to bring it to pass, He also said, He will confirm His word with signs following.

God never said that He would confirm the Catholic errors.

It's interesting that you state that Catholic teaching is erroneous and yet you say nothing about all the denominations that spring from the RCC. All Protestant denominations believe the same things that Catholics do, except belief in obedience to the Pope.

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There can be no errors in what I say, Because there are no errors in God's word.

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[Saved75]

Evangelicals often call Jehovah's Witnesses, a "cult" and not Christian.

Jehovah's Witnesses, seem to consider Roman Catholics, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox etc, "not-Christian" (JWs please correct me if I'm wrong on this)

Question for debate, why can't all of these groups rightly be considered "Christian"?

And part two of this OP question is directed primarily to Evangelicals, why don't you consider JWs to be Christian?

People use the terminology "Christian", But according to the Bible, not every born again believer is a Biblical Christian, Never mind the JWs Catholics and other false religions.
And the reason is, It was the people who saw the disciples acting just like Jesus and doing healings and miracles, That made them call the disciples "Christians".
Acts 11: 20--26.
The Bible tells us that The gospel is preached with Mighty signs and wonders, by the power of God, Rom 15: 19. Mk 16: 17--20. Hen 2: 3--4.

OK, so...

-What is the difference between a "born-again believer" and a "Biblical Christian"?
Sounds to me like an arbitrary dictinction. Please clarify.

-If Jehovah's Witnesses, and Roman Catholicism are "false religions" what is the "true" religion/denomination? Both sects honor God through Jesus, why would either be "false"?

-Doing healings, miracles, signs and wonders is the Biblical sign of a true Christian? So..unless one: a) does healings, b) walks on water, c) raises the dead, d) drinks poison safely, e) handles snakes....they are NOT Christian?

How 'bout you, do you do any or all of these things?

How 'bout these things instead: forgiving others, being a good example to others, giving to charity, giving people hope, being a peacemaker, lifting people's spirits...aren't these signs of a true Christian?

If that is the case, I'm certain that many Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses qualify!

I have given you the Biblical meaning of a Christian.
People use the meaning of a Christian, as one who believes in Jesus, but the devil believes, but he isn't a Christian.

There is only one way to get saved, (become the true faith ),
and that's the Biblical way of salvation, which the Catholics and the JWS don't teach.

As for your last point, you are getting believers, (the religious type of Christians) mixed up with the Biblical definition of a Christian.

God does use me to heal the sick and do miracles.

Being good, charity, forgiving people , doesn't make one a Christian, even those who don't believe, can do those things.

You apparently aren't familiar with what JWs teach. You say that there is only one way to get saved and we don't teach it.....so, how does one do that? How does one find "the true faith"? What do you say is "the Biblical way of salvation"?

If you can heal the sick and perform miracles, why aren't you healing the world?

I do know what the JWs teach about salvation, And I know it' isn't Biblical.
In fact they don't believe one is born again in this life, and the say only the 144.000 are the Anointed one's who will go to heaven.

Read the Bible, and you'll see which is the Biblical way to get saved.

I am healing the world. [Well God is through me].

[Saved75]

The Catholics so-called faith healers are not from God, as He will never confirm the erroneous Catholic Church, so the healing's are done by the devil.
If you know about the so-called visions of Mary,and the unbiblical things the say, you would know that the miracles that come through those visions, are of the devil.

Could it be that God's love transcends your understanding of "correct" doctrine and the limits you are trying to impose on that love?

Maybe God works beyond your interpretations and understandings.

I would be very careful about pronouncements such as you are making here...

You seem awfully sure or yourself. Has it occurred to you that you could be wrong?

Those are uncharitable statements, to say the least. Maybe even false witness, idle words and judgemental, or worse.

God won't work beyond His word, and the Catholics don't teach God's word.
God only confirms His word.

It's not that I'm sure of myself, but that I'm sure of God's word.
And the Catholics don't teach God's word, as their doctrines AREN'T in the Bible.
God said He watches over HIS WORD, to bring it to pass, He also said, He will confirm His word with signs following.

God never said that He would confirm the Catholic errors.

It's interesting that you state that Catholic teaching is erroneous and yet you say nothing about all the denominations that spring from the RCC. All Protestant denominations believe the same things that Catholics do, except belief in obedience to the Pope.

Why do you think those Protestants left the RCC??. Because they knew they Catholics were teaching erroneous doctrines.
Christians DONT believe what the Catholic church teaches, It's quite obvious that you either don't know what the Christians teach, or what the Catholics teach.

[Monta]

[Replying to post 24 by Elijah John]


Monta wrote:

"Amongst many Jesus is dispised - just as he was 2000 ys ago; Jewish greeting - 'may his Name be forgotten.' Why are some so-called Christians determined to depose Him, what is really behind it?"

EJ:
And yet, many Christians blot out the name of God using euphemisms such as "LORD", instead of "Jehovah", or call Jesus "God" when YHVH (the Father) alone is God, according to Isaiah and others.

Do such Christians then "despise" the Father?

M: Christianity is the religion of the new dispensation. In OT God is called Jehovah who with the advent of Jesus the Christ assumed the human therefore He is no longer Jehovah but LORD.
His proper name is the Lord God the Savior Jesus Christ.

[Zzyzx]

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I am healing the world. [Well God is through me].

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Have you never read Mk 16: 17--18.
Every Christian should be used of God, to heal the sick.

Aren't we allowed to say what the Bible says???.

[Elijah John]

Why do you think those Protestants left the RCC??. Because they knew they Catholics were teaching erroneous doctrines.
Christians DONT believe what the Catholic church teaches, It's quite obvious that you either don't know what the Christians teach, or what the Catholics teach.

Yet many Protestants, and even many Evangelicals acknowledge that Roman Catholics are Christians too. Catholics, like Protestants, believe in the Trinity, and Catholics, like Protestants believe in the blood-atonement of Christ.

You seem to be saying that Christians are only people who believe exactly like you do.

That is the uglier side of Evangelical Fundamentalism that reminds me of those nasty "Chick publication", Evangelical comic tracts.

That kind of approach does not attract anyone to the Faith except for other haters.

Not a good witness, to say the least.

[Peds nurse]

[Replying to post 48 by Saved75]


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