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Sun stood still (Earth stopped rotating)

Joshua 10:12Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, "O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon." 13So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14There was no day like that before it or after it, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man; for the LORD fought for Israel.


Here, in layman's language, is an idea of what would happen if the Earth stopped rotating.
There are two things to keep in mind:
1. An object in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force.
2. Everything that is on the surface of the Earth is also spinning with the Earth, which is why we experience day and night.

At the moment of sudden stop, every object that was not firmly anchored to the Earth would continue traveling in the direction it was moving -- tangential to the Earth's surface. The degree of "lurch" would depend greatly on your line of latitude -- which reflects your distance from the axis of spin. At the North and South Pole a small piece of earth has 24 hours to move in a full circle around the axis, which is feet to fractions-of-an-inch per hour (i.e. pretty darn slow). At the equator -- the farthest distance from the axis -- the surface of the Earth is moving at 1670 kilometers/hour (1070 miles/hr).

In other words: at the moment of sudden stop everyone standing at the equator would suddenly find themselves travelling at 1.4 times the speed of sound relative to the now-still surface...at least until they hit something.

And then the real fun starts.

Amongst the things that would still be moving (per Newton's first law of motion) is the atmosphere. Anyone who survived flying sideways at 1000+ miles per hour would quickly realize that they were experiencing the worst wind storm ever imaginable. For context, a category five hurricane has winds of over 249km/h (155 miles/h). Just like the people who went flying, the speed of the air is now 1000+ miles per hour relative to the now-stopped surface. Anything that didn't already go zooming to one side would be getting smashed by crushing wind force...and probably then go flying.

And then there's the fact that about 70% of the Earth's surface is water -- which is also not anchored. The shift in momentum would yield enormous tsunamis, which would probably be even worse due to the aforementioned raging windstorm.

There's yet one more liquid we'd have to be concerned with: all of the magma constantly moving through the Earth's mantle and core. I'm not sure whether the magma stops moving suddenly with the solid earth or it stays moving -- but assuming it's still moving*, that would most likely lead to volcanic eruptions through every channel possible to the surface...and there would be earthquakes that go with that.
https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen ... rotating-1
When the Earth began rotating again the reverse would happen . . .

Still believe ancient tales about the Earth ceasing rotation? What sort of mental gymnastics and/or willful ignorance of physics and astronomy does it take to keep believing tales by ancients who thought the Sun revolved around the Earth?

Would it not be more rational to understand that the tale is a TALL TALE -- a religious fantasy?
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Zzyzx wrote: NO supporting evidence and explains it as an effect of sun and moon gravitational effect.
So, I would like to know, do you believe that tide is real phenomenon and gravitational forces of sun and moon are one reason for that?

If yes, do you believe the same force affects also to all other stuff on earth?
Let's focus on exactly what I said:
Zzyzx wrote: Some of the best minds in physics, geophysics, astronomy have studied the Foucault Pendulum for 150+ years " worldwide (including at the South Pole) and are shown to be wrong by the speculations of an anonymous Internet poster who cites NO supporting evidence and explains it as an effect of sun and moon gravitational effect.
Notice that has nothing to do with tides.

Notice (as I trust readers do) that you fail to address the compelling evidence presented to verify that the Foucault pendulum verifies rotation.

If you are attempting to used tidal effects to explain pendulum deviation (precession), kindly provide details of and reference to the physics involved.


Thank you for supplying readers with a religionist (or whatever) perspective on these matters.
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Zzyzx wrote:"Goddidit" and that's all there is to say . . . However, here in C&A debate we do not assume that religious speculation is truthful and accurate (or authoritative or proof of truth).
What about the extra-Biblical claims of a long day in the distant past in other cultures/geographies?
An excellent point. Because on the other side of the planet one person's very long day is another person's very long night. Imagine if the sun just did not appear on time and everything just stayed dark. Some people might find that very alarming. I know it would upset me, and I an not easily alarmed.

Stopping the earth's rotation, assuming that it was an act of God in which the physical consequences have been suspended, should have been a world wide phenomenon. A shared intercultural experience. And yet oddly enough there is no general around the world tradition of it.
It is reported by historians that records of the Chinese during the reign of Emperor Yeo, who lived at the same time as Joshua, report a long day. See http://www.space-explorers.com/internal ... still.html
Also, Heroditus, a Greek historian, wrote that when he visited Egypt, the priests there showed him an ancient manuscript which told the story of a day which lasted about twice as long as a normal day. See http://www.geocentricity.com/astronomy_of_bible/jld/

Others cite records of Mexicans of the sun standing still for an entire day in a year denoted as Seven Rabits, which is the same year in which Joshua defeated the Philistines and conquered Palestine.

Additionally, the historical lore of the Aztecs, Peruvians, and Babylonians speak of a day of twice natural length. See http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword16a.htm ; see also Immanuel Velikovskys Worlds in Collision.

If Joshuas long day (not a day where the earth stopped rotating) occurred"and of course I believe that it did"then we would expect its effects to show up in the historical records of other nations, and that is exactly what we find. A record of a long day in distinct cultures around the globe.

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Zzyzx wrote:
Zzyzx wrote: Some of the best minds in physics, geophysics, astronomy have studied the Foucault Pendulum for 150+ years " worldwide (including at the South Pole) and are shown to be wrong by the speculations of an anonymous Internet poster who cites NO supporting evidence and explains it as an effect of sun and moon gravitational effect.
Notice that has nothing to do with tides...
I hope readers also notice that you highly appreciated authorities have not managed to give any evidence for that their explanation is the truth. There are other explanations that can as well be true. For me it is enough if people understand that no real proof has been given. You dont have to believe me, but it would be nice if people would understand when they are dealing with belief or actual knowledge or truth. The pendulums movement is not proof for planets rotation, because it can be explained otherwise and there is no direct proof that earths rotation is really the thing that causes the effect.
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1213 wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:
Zzyzx wrote: Some of the best minds in physics, geophysics, astronomy have studied the Foucault Pendulum for 150+ years " worldwide (including at the South Pole) and are shown to be wrong by the speculations of an anonymous Internet poster who cites NO supporting evidence and explains it as an effect of sun and moon gravitational effect.
Notice that has nothing to do with tides...
I hope readers also notice that you highly appreciated authorities have not managed to give any evidence for that their explanation is the truth. There are other explanations that can as well be true. For me it is enough if people understand that no real proof has been given. You dont have to believe me, but it would be nice if people would understand when they are dealing with belief or actual knowledge or truth. The pendulums movement is not proof for planets rotation, because it can be explained otherwise and there is no direct proof that earths rotation is really the thing that causes the effect.
If you believe the motion of the Foucault Pendulum is the result of the gravitational effects of the sun and the moon rather than the rotation of the earth, please feel free to show us the math and physics involved. Please also include the math and physics how the earth rotating would effect the pendulum. I think you will find one explains the results and the other doesn't. Wild speculations and guessing don't prove or disprove anything.

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benchwarmer wrote: ...Wild speculations and guessing don't prove or disprove anything.
That is why I dont believe the official answer and I wonder how anyone else can believe that earths rotation theory.
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benchwarmer wrote: ...Wild speculations and guessing don't prove or disprove anything.
That is why I dont believe the official answer and I wonder how anyone else can believe that earths rotation theory.
So you believe math and physics are wild speculations and guessing? If not, then I don't understand your point. If so, it would only because you haven't studied them.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: My guess is because probably we wouldn't understand.

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I prefer the much more compact Maxwellian answer:

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benchwarmer wrote: ...Wild speculations and guessing don't prove or disprove anything.
That is why I dont believe the official answer and I wonder how anyone else can believe that earths rotation theory.
So you believe math and physics are wild speculations and guessing? If not, then I don't understand your point. If so, it would only because you haven't studied them.
No, math and physics are not wild speculations and guessing, if they can be proven correct. The official explanation for Foucault Pendulum is not proven fact and it is not the only possible explanation. That is why it is not really any proof or evidence for that earth rotates.
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1213 wrote: No, math and physics are not wild speculations and guessing, if they can be proven correct. The official explanation for Foucault Pendulum is not proven fact and it is not the only possible explanation. That is why it is not really any proof or evidence for that earth rotates.
Go ahead and post one of these other possible explanations and I'll see what I can do with it.

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Talishi wrote:
1213 wrote: No, math and physics are not wild speculations and guessing, if they can be proven correct. The official explanation for Foucault Pendulum is not proven fact and it is not the only possible explanation. That is why it is not really any proof or evidence for that earth rotates.
Go ahead and post one of these other possible explanations and I'll see what I can do with it.
Other possible explanations:
1. the machine is rigged
2. The effect is caused by gravitational force of sun and moon.
I think the option number 2 is most probable explanation, because that same force seems to cause also tide.
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