Sun stood still (Earth stopped rotating)

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Sun stood still (Earth stopped rotating)

Joshua 10:12Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, "O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon." 13So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14There was no day like that before it or after it, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man; for the LORD fought for Israel.


Here, in layman's language, is an idea of what would happen if the Earth stopped rotating.

There are two things to keep in mind:
1. An object in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force.
2. Everything that is on the surface of the Earth is also spinning with the Earth, which is why we experience day and night.

At the moment of sudden stop, every object that was not firmly anchored to the Earth would continue traveling in the direction it was moving -- tangential to the Earth's surface. The degree of "lurch" would depend greatly on your line of latitude -- which reflects your distance from the axis of spin. At the North and South Pole a small piece of earth has 24 hours to move in a full circle around the axis, which is feet to fractions-of-an-inch per hour (i.e. pretty darn slow). At the equator -- the farthest distance from the axis -- the surface of the Earth is moving at 1670 kilometers/hour (1070 miles/hr).

In other words: at the moment of sudden stop everyone standing at the equator would suddenly find themselves travelling at 1.4 times the speed of sound relative to the now-still surface...at least until they hit something.

And then the real fun starts.

Amongst the things that would still be moving (per Newton's first law of motion) is the atmosphere. Anyone who survived flying sideways at 1000+ miles per hour would quickly realize that they were experiencing the worst wind storm ever imaginable. For context, a category five hurricane has winds of over 249km/h (155 miles/h). Just like the people who went flying, the speed of the air is now 1000+ miles per hour relative to the now-stopped surface. Anything that didn't already go zooming to one side would be getting smashed by crushing wind force...and probably then go flying.

And then there's the fact that about 70% of the Earth's surface is water -- which is also not anchored. The shift in momentum would yield enormous tsunamis, which would probably be even worse due to the aforementioned raging windstorm.

There's yet one more liquid we'd have to be concerned with: all of the magma constantly moving through the Earth's mantle and core. I'm not sure whether the magma stops moving suddenly with the solid earth or it stays moving -- but assuming it's still moving*, that would most likely lead to volcanic eruptions through every channel possible to the surface...and there would be earthquakes that go with that.
https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen ... rotating-1

When the Earth began rotating again the reverse would happen . . .

Still believe ancient tales about the Earth ceasing rotation? What sort of mental gymnastics and/or willful ignorance of physics and astronomy does it take to keep believing tales by ancients who thought the Sun revolved around the Earth?

Would it not be more rational to understand that the tale is a TALL TALE -- a religious fantasy?

[Talishi]

Other possible explanations:
1. the machine is rigged
2. The effect is caused by gravitational force of sun and moon.
I think the option number 2 is most probable explanation, because that same force seems to cause also tide.

The sun's position in a non-rotating Earth's sky has a period of 365 days, the moon 27 days. No combination of the two gives a resultant periodicity of 24 hours.

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Other possible explanations:
1. the machine is rigged

Of course, Foucault pendulums worldwide in universities, science museums, planetariums, and the UN headquarters (and the South Pole) may be RIGGED in a giant 150 year old conspiracy to deceive the public into thinking that the Earth rotates.

Numerous Foucault pendulums are installed around the world, mainly at universities, science museums, and planetariums. The United Nations headquarters in New York City has one, while the largest Foucault pendulum in the world, Principia, is housed at the Oregon Convention Center.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_ ... _the_world

Perhaps Satan is rigging all of them to lead humans astray from the Bible God?

2. The effect is caused by gravitational force of sun and moon.
I think the option number 2 is most probable explanation, because that same force seems to cause also tide.

Evidence, evidence, evidence, citations, URLs " NOT just speculation and unsubstantiated opinion. This is debate " not fairy-tale land.

[KingandPriest]

Stopping the earth's rotation, assuming that it was an act of God in which the physical consequences have been suspended, should have been a world wide phenomenon. A shared intercultural experience. And yet oddly enough there is no general around the world tradition of it.

It is reported by historians that records of the Chinese during the reign of Emperor Yeo, who lived at the same time as Joshua, report a long day. See http://www.space-explorers.com/internal ... still.html

Also, Heroditus, a Greek historian, wrote that when he visited Egypt, the priests there showed him an ancient manuscript which told the story of a day which lasted about twice as long as a normal day. See http://www.geocentricity.com/astronomy_of_bible/jld/

Others cite records of Mexicans of the sun standing still for an entire day in a year denoted as Seven Rabits, which is the same year in which Joshua defeated the Philistines and conquered Palestine.

Additionally, the historical lore of the Aztecs, Peruvians, and Babylonians speak of a day of twice natural length. See http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword16a.htm ; see also Immanuel Velikovskys Worlds in Collision.

If Joshuas long day (not a day where the earth stopped rotating) occurred"and of course I believe that it did"then we would expect its effects to show up in the historical records of other nations, and that is exactly what we find. A record of a long day in distinct cultures around the globe. None of these accounts claim that the earth stopped rotating.

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A record of a long day in distinct cultures around the globe. None of these accounts claim that the earth stopped rotating.

Perhaps those who support the "long day" could explain the physics involved.

Did the Sun just slow down in its travel across the sky or around the Earth?

After all, if three or more cultures have similar legends they MUST be true. The same applies to winged horses. Right?

Pegasus " Ancient Greece
Tulpar " Ancient Turkey
Chollima " East Asian Mythology
Buraq -- Islam / Mohammed

That settles it -- winged horses existed. Shall we now investigate flying carpets?


To some of us what is known of the real world (including biology, physics, astronomy, geology, hydrology, etc) is more compelling than ancient legends which contradict real world conditions or propose fanciful entities or events. Of course, others are entitled to believe whatever they choose.

Readers will decide what makes sense to them.

[JLB32168]

Perhaps those who support the "long day" could explain the physics involved.

In other words, lets exclude evidence that other cultures around the world reported an extraordinary solar event at the same time that comports with Joshuas long day because that evidence.

Now that evidence supporting the theist point is off the table let them prove that such a ridiculous event actually occurred.

If only I could exclude evidence contra my point, I would win every argument.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

[Replying to KingandPriest]

It is reported by historians that records of the Chinese during the reign of Emperor Yeo, who lived at the same time as Joshua, report a long day.

The "historians" doing the reporting are not very good at their job. Joshua took over as leader of the Israelite's after Moses died. The usual dating for Moses is that he lived sometime in the second millennia BC, if he existed at all.

Wikipedia
Moses
According to archaeologist William G. Dever, scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person. Archaeological evidence does not support a mass-migration from Egypt, as described in the Bible. Rabbinical Judaism calculated a lifespan of Moses corresponding to 1391"1271 (120 years) BCE; Jerome gives 1592 BCE,[10] and James Ussher 1571 BCE as his birth year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

Wikipedia
Joshua
Joshua lived between 1355-1245 BCE,[4] or sometime in the late Bronze Age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua

Emperor Yeo, a legendary figure out of Chinese history, lived a thousand years earlier, circa the third millennia BC. If he existed at all.

Wikipedia
Emperor Yeo
Emperor Yao (simplified Chinese: ; traditional Chinese: ; pinyin: Yo; traditionally c. 2356 " 2255 BC)[2] was a legendary Chinese ruler, according to various sources, one of the Three Sovereigns and the Five Emperors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Yao


Discussion of the Missing Day in Earth's History
In 1970, a story appeared in "The Evening World," a newpaper in Spencer, Indiana, about a consultant to the space program named Harold Hill (deceased) citing that he was told a computer program had found a "missing day." Though the computer program story could never be validated, interesting speculations and studies ensued about what astronomical mechanism might result in the "Earth standing still" for 24 hours.


In other words in 1970 a computer indicated that there was a day missing from earth's history. That should be easy enough for a computer to calculate. All it would need to know is exactly what day and year the earth suddenly began to exist.

No one was able to confirm this story, and over the last 46 years no one has been able to duplicate this finding. Mainly because they literally don't know where to begin. But whatever computer you are currently using, it is vastly faster and more sophisticated in every way then the very best machines from 1970. So it should be easy enough for you to duplicate that unconfirmed finding. Give it a try, and good luck.

see also Immanuel Velikovskys Worlds in Collision.

Immanuel Velikovsky's main claim to fame is as an anti-science quack and an object of scientific derision. He is widely considered something of a pseudo-scientist by modern scientists.

Wikipedia
Immanuel Velikovsky
Criticism
Velikovsky's ideas have been almost entirely rejected by mainstream academia (often vociferously so) and his work is generally regarded as erroneous in all its detailed conclusions. Moreover, scholars view his unorthodox methodology (for example, using comparative mythology to derive scenarios in celestial mechanics) as an unacceptable way to arrive at conclusions. Stephen Jay Gould offered a synopsis of the mainstream response to Velikovsky, writing, "Velikovsky is neither crank nor charlatan"although, to state my opinion and to quote one of my colleagues, he is at least gloriously wrong... Velikovsky would rebuild the science of celestial mechanics to save the literal accuracy of ancient legends."

Velikovsky's bestselling, and as a consequence most criticized, book is Worlds in Collision. Astronomer Harlow Shapley, along with others such as Cecilia Payne-Gaposchkin, were highly critical of Macmillan's decision to publish the work. The fundamental criticism against this book from the astronomy community was that its celestial mechanics were physically impossible, requiring planetary orbits that do not conform with the laws of conservation of energy and conservation of angular momentum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky

Immanuel Velikovsky is mainly used by scientists and scholars today as an example of bad science, bad history, bad methodology and bad thinking. He is what scientists aspire NOT to be like. Velikovsky is to science what alchemy is to chemistry.


And so it goes.

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Perhaps those who support the "long day" could explain the physics involved.

In other words, lets exclude evidence that other cultures around the world reported an extraordinary solar event at the same time that comports with Joshuas long day because that evidence.

No, what is requested is an explanation of the physics involved.

That request is no different from asking that a claim of humans flying by flapping their arms be shown to be in accord with what is known of physics.

Of course, Apologists supporting ancient tales are often not concerned with (or dismissive of) what is known of physics (or biology, geology, hydrology, meteorology, astronomy, etc).

Now that evidence supporting the theist point is off the table let them prove that such a ridiculous event actually occurred.

If the event is not ridiculous, show how a day can be lengthened (in the real world, not legend).

If only I could exclude evidence contra my point, I would win every argument.

Of course you are entitled to have your evidence fully considered. There are legends in several cultures of a long day. There are also legends of flying horses (or carpets), sea serpents, winged humanoids, Big Foot, etc. Can any of those legends (particularly the long day) be shown to reflect reality?

Now, let's proceed to understanding how a long day can occur in reality (not just legend).

Most of us are aware that the Earth is a spheroidal planet that rotates in approximately twenty-four hours. Half of the sphere is exposed to direct light from the Sun. A day is taken to mean that rotational period. Rotation is NOT known to vary more than infinitesimally, and certainly not to stop and restart. Rotational velocity at the equator is approximately 1000 mph. Sudden (or even rapid) cessation of rotation would produce extremely traumatic results.

Is the proposed change in Earth / Sun relations being attributed to magic or miracle? If so, that discussion belongs in Holy Huddle or Theology, Doctrine and Dogma sub-forums.

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No, what is requested is an explanation of the physics involved.

How does one explain the physics of an alleged supernatural event?

Of course, Apologists supporting ancient tales are often not concerned with (or dismissive of) what is known of physics (or biology, geology, hydrology, meteorology, astronomy, etc).

Its been my experience that they are quite knowledgeable of those areas and agree that there are natural laws that normally govern the universe. Where they differ is in their acceptance of a supernatural entity that has omnipotence, which enables said entity to temporarily suspend those laws. Of course, this rarely happens and the theist would admit it but he still accepts that they do happen from time to time.

Your statement suggests that theists are slack jawed, anti-science, Jayzuz worshipers devoid of even the most rudimentary education and is not a little insulting.

If the event is not ridiculous, show how a day can be lengthened (in the real world, not legend).

If the supernatural exists, then such an event hardly falls outside the purview of a supernatural entity.
Is there any reason you didnt even try to address the fact that not a few societies all over the planet commented on this unusual solar event?

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No, what is requested is an explanation of the physics involved.

How does one explain the physics of an alleged supernatural event?

That is NOT my problem " but is the problem of those who propose that supernatural events actually occurred.

To the best of my knowledge it is extremely difficult or impossible to accomplish the task.

Of course, Apologists supporting ancient tales are often not concerned with (or dismissive of) what is known of physics (or biology, geology, hydrology, meteorology, astronomy, etc).

Its been my experience that they are quite knowledgeable of those areas and agree that there are natural laws that normally govern the universe.

I disagree with quite knowledgeable " based on ten years debating here as well as frequent contact with Theists here in the Bible Belt.

Elementary level science knowledge seems more common (if that) " or television level / sermon level / creationist website level.

Where they differ is in their acceptance of a supernatural entity that has omnipotence, which enables said entity to temporarily suspend those laws. Of course, this rarely happens and the theist would admit it but he still accepts that they do happen from time to time.

If a supernatural omnipotent entity is assumed, knowledge of the real world becomes irrelevant because the hypothetical entity is hypothetically able to change whatever the person imagines.

Your statement suggests that theists are slack jawed, anti-science, Jayzuz worshipers devoid of even the most rudimentary education and is not a little insulting.

My statement suggests NO SUCH THING. Try, for a change, debating against what I ACTUALLY say rather than against your own distortions (and try not to insult yourself with overblown emotionalism).

If the event is not ridiculous, show how a day can be lengthened (in the real world, not legend).

If the supernatural exists, then such an event hardly falls outside the purview of a supernatural entity.
Is there any reason you didnt even try to address the fact that not a few societies all over the planet commented on this unusual solar event?

We do NOT, in these debates, assume that the supernatural exists.

Those who wish to debate with that premise accepted are encouraged to use HH or TD&D sub-forums.

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That is NOT my problem " but is the problem of those who propose that supernatural events actually occurred.

Okay " so you want a scientific explanation for a supernatural event, in spite of the fact that science only measures natural things.

If a supernatural omnipotent entity is assumed, knowledge of the real world becomes irrelevant because the hypothetical entity is hypothetically able to change whatever the person imagines.

Perhaps that is your experience but for some Christians who accept that God does X they dont mind learning exactly how God does it. In fact, they find it fascinating.

We do NOT, in these debates, assume that the supernatural exists.

Well of course thats true. Im just wondering why youd ask a question. What I get is, I know that cultures all over the world wrote about an odd, seemingly unexplainable solar event where the day lasted atypically long. What I want to know is how such an alleged supernatural miraculous event can be proved scientifically and thats just a stupid request if you ask me. Using science to prove a supernatural anything when supernatural intrinsically means not via natural means, is just . . . well . . . stupid.