Who created evil spirits!

[DanieltheDragon]

Who created evil spirits, the snake, the devil, and various other malevolent forces?

Why would such a being create such things?

[onewithhim]

It is not so bad if God did not know the abominations he would become, but would God be so ignorant? So incompetent? Would he really be that clueless about what he was creating?

What evidence do you have that he was any of these things? What if anything in my post implied the above?

God was perfectly aware of the implications of creating free moral agents, that he dignified them with choice and the privacy of making them without His interference is, in my opinion testimony to his integrity and righteousness as well as his forethought, wisdom and infinite benevolence.

JW


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[...] if it is true that God DID NOT have foreknowledge of the fall, then God FAILED to achieve the result He intended to achieve when he created Adam and Eve.

Well all I would say to that is "it aint over 'til the fat lady sings". We would effectively have to be at the end of time in order to declare that God failed in his objectives.

# QUESTION: What was God's purpose for mankind?

God's purpose for mankind was that a perfect human race, all descendants of Adam and Eve, live in a garden like paradise on this our planet earth. While it is true, there has been a delay in the realization of that purpose, that does not mean that it will not be achieved. Indeed arguably, if bible symbolism is to be believed, that purpose was scheduled to be fully accomplished on the 7th symbolic "day" (Sabbath) which hasn't yet ended.

In short, there is still time and bible prophecy indicates that this earth will be transformed into a paradise inhabited by the children of Adam and Eve, living in perfect health on this our planet earth. And that right on time! The heavy lady singeth not.

JW

Does this make Jesus plan B? If that is true, how would you interpret this texts?

Ephesians 1:4

For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love

Acts 4:27-28New International Version (NIV)

27 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. 28 They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen.

Good questions.

Yes, Jesus was "Plan B." He wouldn't have had to come here if Adam had obeyed his Creator.

"Before the creation of the world" means that God made the decision to rectify what Adam had done immediately AFTER Adam sinned, and before Cain was born, which would be the start of the world (alienated from God). So it doesn't refer to the PLANET, but to the world of mankind alienated from God---which mankind became after Adam's Fall and when Cain came into the world. That was the start of "the world." (IJohn 2:15)

Your reference to Pilot and Herod doesn't show the same thing. What it shows is that God decided before Pilot and Herod had their little tete-a-tete what would happen. Not before the founding of the world of mankind alienated from God, after Adam's Fall.


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[myth-one.com]

Who created evil spirits, the snake, the devil, and various other malevolent forces?

Why would such a being create such things?

No one created evil spirits.

Good spirits were created with freedom of choice.

Evil spirits are simply spirits who were created as good, but then chose poorly.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 52 by myth-one.com]

What does "good" mean? Jesus said only God was good.

[William]

Who created evil spirits, the snake, the devil, and various other malevolent forces?

From the Hebrew perspective their idea of GOD was the one who brought evil or good upon situations depending on how HE saw the ramifications of the activity of humans in regard to His agenda.

It was not until Christianity became an organised religion that the popular concept of an actual opponent to God was introduced as a separate being intent upon upsetting that agenda.

Why would such a being create such things?

As it reads in those texts, the serpent was - like everything else, a creation of the Hebrew idea of God and the philosophy behind such thinking had to do with how different influences can create paths for humans which contradict the path the Hebrew God had planned in relation to His agenda.

Are we born good or evil? Or are we born with the potential to choose whatever we will?

What is 'good' and what is 'evil'? In relation to the Abrahamic ideas of God, anything which is not in support of His agenda, is 'evil' for that. Certainly that is how the message appears, notwithstanding that it comes from the Talmud, Torah, NT or Islamic doctrines, all of which can be considered to being in opposition with the other, which is explained simly enough as the result of the infiltration of human political agendas.

[Replying to post 52 by myth-one.com]

What does "good" mean? Jesus said only God was good.

The idea of God = good and Devil = evil seems to have something to do with the titles - God = similar to the word Good and Devil = similar to the word Evil...

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to post 52 by myth-one.com]

What does "good" mean? Jesus said only God was good.

God stated that every thing He had made was very good:

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

In this instance, I think "good" meant having the qualities required for a particular purpose.

So He originally created spirits as good -- which included their having the ability to choose between multiple possible choices and making a personal decision.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 51 by onewithhim]

You do realize that no meaningful debate is possible if the interpretation of the texts are allowed to be compromised to the extent you feel authorised to do?

[postroad]

[Replying to post 55 by myth-one.com]

Did humanity become less good the more they became like God?

Genesis 3:22

And the Lord God said, The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 51 by onewithhim]

Does Christ's death on the cross indicate a plan C?

Apparently he did not need to die in order for salvation to be realised.

Luke 19:41-43New International Version (NIV)

41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace"but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side.