meaning of clouds

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:27 am

Dan. 7:13 "As I watched in the night visions, I saw one like a human being coming with the clouds of heaven. And he came to the Ancient One and was presented before him."

Do you think this inspired the idea meeting the lord in the air on the last days?
Clouds are really used as a metaphor .
Jeremiah used clouds to describe the coming of the king of Assyria, 4:13 "Look! He comes up like clouds, his chariots like the whirlwind; his horses are swifter than eagles" woe to us, for we are ruined!"

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:19 pm

[Replying to post 60 by tam]

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The name of Jesus is not Jesus

Part Four:
We finally get an answer.[/center]

tam wrote:
I was talking about titles. Because Christ is identified by titles as well. That was my point.

When were these titles given to Jesus?
NOT in Genesis, tam.

For all we know, Genesis is talking about a "George".

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You were addressing a question about Genesis from post 51, remember?[/center]

We have NO idea exactly WHO this "LIFE" is supposed to BE.

tam wrote:
Of course we do.

I am the Resurrection and the Life.

I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

If you are asking if people knew before Christ came and explained it, then I would say that many did NOT know. But that doesn't mean that the author of the Genesis did not know.

If you want to say that Genesis authors knew about Jesus, you have to make a wild guess. Go ahead and guess all you like.

Believe whatever you like.

But is Jesus mentioned in Genesis?
NO, tam. You are just guessing that.

Is the NAME "Jesus" found anywhere at all in Genesis ?

tam wrote:
No, and I never said it was.

Thank you for the answer.

Now, back to my initial question from post 51:

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Question:

I wonder why the people who wrote Genesis forgot to mention Jesus?
Weird, huh?

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tam · Post by **tam** » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:25 pm

[Replying to post 61 by Blastcat]

We were talking about Genesis, remember?

We were talking about Genesis AND Christ.

Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:29 pm

[Replying to post 62 by tam]

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The name of Jesus is not Jesus

Part Five:
There is No mention of Jesus and no mention of Christ in Genesis [/center]

We were talking about Genesis, remember?

tam wrote:
We were talking about Genesis AND Christ.

No, tam, if you read a little more carefully, you will notice that I was talking about no mention of JESUS in Genesis. I never mentioned Christ in that comment.

In case you forgot, I will repeat the question as it seems to be posing you a bit of a challenge:

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Question:

I wonder why the people who wrote Genesis forgot to mention Jesus?
Weird, huh?

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Oh, and while we are at it, Genesis also has NO mention of the label "Christ". I know because I looked it up.

No mention of Jesus, no mention of Christ.

Not in Genesis, tam.

Monta · Post by **Monta** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:34 am

[quote="Blastcat"]

"Oh, and while we are at it, Genesis also has NO mention of the label "Christ". I know because I looked it up.

No mention of Jesus, no mention of Christ."

Of course not.

God had not discended and assumed the human which He did in Christ

much later for the purpose of saving mankind from eternal death.

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:54 am

Monta wrote:
dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 48 by JehovahsWitness]

Do you think there was a need for a savior redeemer before the world existed ? Something like a fix before the fall? If so it would seem God didn't have faith in humanity. The deck was stacked against us.
If God did not have faith in humanity He would not have created it.
The deck was not stacked agianst us, we were created perfect, not divine perfect but human perfect. God can not create others equal to himself and if he were to do so, they'd all be united and be ONE anyway and He'd be even more Omnipotent which is contrary to reason.
Saviour was foreseen and provided.

Are you saying God created us so we could worship Him?

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:02 am

[Replying to post 41 by JehovahsWitness]

In the Gospels Jesus was accused of claiming to be God. These are the earliest records of the Jesus event in history. According to these Jesus was accused of that blasphemy. Matthew Mark Luke and John specially thought he was God . It wasn't philosophized out until later true but the seed of the idea was in the Gospels.

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:38 am

[Replying to post 64 by Monta]

[center]God transformed himself into Jesus.[/center]

"Oh, and while we are at it, Genesis also has NO mention of the label "Christ". I know because I looked it up.

No mention of Jesus, no mention of Christ."

Monta wrote:
Of course not.

God had not discended and assumed the human which He did in Christ

much later for the purpose of saving mankind from eternal death.

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Question:

Is it your belief that Yahweh took the form of Jesus, the way that Zeus would sometimes take the form of a swan or a bull?

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Monta · Post by **Monta** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:53 am

[Replying to post 67 by Blastcat]

" Is it your belief that Yahweh took the form of Jesus, the way that Zeus would sometimes take the form of a swan or a bull?"

Ingnorance is bliss; enjoy*
As for me I don't have time for it.

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:40 am

[Replying to post 68 by Monta]

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To me, ignorance is a lack of information, not "bliss" as the saying goes.[/center]

Monta wrote:
" Is it your belief that Yahweh took the form of Jesus, the way that Zeus would sometimes take the form of a swan or a bull?"

Ingnorance is bliss; enjoy*
As for me I don't have time for it.

I don't agree with you that ignorance is bliss.
Ignorance is a lack of information, and nothing else.

When I lack information, sometimes, I ask questions.
Since I can't really understand what you believe and what you don't until you supply the information, I am ignorant of your beliefs, and that's why I ask questions. I want to understand your beliefs, and how you arrived at them.

In fact, I would say that I am fascinated by the study of religious thinking.

If you happen to have an answer to my question, it would be kind of you to supply it, in the hopes that my ignorance can be rectified. If you do not have an answer, saying "I don't know" is perfectly acceptable. I don't expect people to know everything.

If you actually DO know the answer, and you WONT supply it, I would find that very odd, indeed.

You seem to indicate that ignorance is BLISS, but that you don't have time for the bliss. I'm not at all sure what you meant by the comment.

Could you clarify?

In the hopes that you find the time to answer my question, I will repeat it below:

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Question:

Is it your belief that Yahweh took the form of Jesus, the way that Zeus would sometimes take the form of a swan or a bull?

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Of course, it should go without saying that you never have to feel compelled to answer anything in here. Thanks for all of the thoughtful replies you have provided so far. I look forward to more.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:09 am

dio9 wrote: In the Gospels Jesus was accused of claiming to be God. These are the earliest records of the Jesus event in history.

No you are wrong, Jesus was never accused of "claiming to be God" in any of the gospel accounts.

dio9 wrote:According to these Jesus was accused of that blasphemy.

No he was not accused of that particular blasphemy. See above.

dio9 wrote: Matthew Mark Luke and John specially thought he was God . It wasn't philosophized out until later true but the seed of the idea was in the Gospels.

See above.

JW