Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?

polonius · Post by **polonius** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:27 am

At the beginning of the Bible, we are told that Adam and Eve sinned. ("Original Sin")

And all future generations inherited their guilt.

Is that true?

And wasn't that rather unjust of God?

postroad · Post by **postroad** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:52 pm

[Replying to post 39 by ttruscott]

But in your concept there are no innocent beings that are born as children in this world?

ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:31 pm

postroad wrote: [Replying to post 39 by ttruscott]

But in your concept there are no innocent beings that are born as children in this world?

Post 35 said that. Post 39 said that.

What makes you think you'll get it in post 41? No innocent beings are born as children in this world...except Jesus. His being human is not counted in any of my arguments because of His divinity.

postroad · Post by **postroad** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:53 pm

[Replying to post 41 by ttruscott]
And exactly how is it that the sinfull elect and the reprobate are separated through belief in Jesus? And what exactly must the elect believe in order to be saved. Or is his name alone a supernatural remidy?

polonius · Post by **polonius** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:22 pm

ttruscott wrote:
postroad wrote: [Replying to post 39 by ttruscott]

But in your concept there are no innocent beings that are born as children in this world?
Post 35 said that. Post 39 said that.

What makes you think you'll get it in post 41? No innocent beings are born as children in this world...except Jesus. His being human is not counted in any of my arguments because of His divinity.

RESPONSE: What sin exactly is a newborn guilty of committing?

polonius · Post by **polonius** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:26 pm

ttruscott wrote:
biblebeltpresbyterian wrote: This post seems to have taken a turn to apologetics from its original theological/doctrinal question. In response to the OP:

As Adam was the federal representative of mankind, the status of guilt was transferred to all mankind on account of his choice.

RESPONSE: How very unjust of God to hold a newborn guilty of a sin he did not commit!

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:54 am

[Replying to post 41 by ttruscott]

[center]No innocent beings are born[/center]

ttruscott wrote:
No innocent beings are born as children in this world...except Jesus. His being human is not counted in any of my arguments because of His divinity.

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Question:

Are you saying that everyone is guilty of something at birth?

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ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:29 pm

postroad wrote: [Replying to post 41 by ttruscott]
And exactly how is it that the sinfull elect and the reprobate are separated through belief in Jesus?

The elect all accepted YHWH's claim to be our creator GOD without proof on the hope HE was telling the truth about life being married to HIM in the heavenly state. The reprobate rejected HIS claims as the claims of a false god with no power to keep his promises of heavenly bliss or of salvation from a hell that was imaginary anyway.

All separation between the elect and the reprobate was where they put their faith, their unproven hope for the best chance at a life of happiness, that is, in GOD's claims or in repudiating HIM as GOD.

And what exactly must the elect believe in order to be saved. Or is his name alone a supernatural remidy?

The sinful elect are under HIS promise of salvation (election) already and the demons are condemned already. On earth it is far far too late to rectify any past mistakes. That is what condemned already in John 3:18 means. This life is to redeem and sanctify the sinful elect so they can be heaven ready, that's all.

postroad · Post by **postroad** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:49 pm

[Replying to post 46 by ttruscott] You seem a little vague on the details of what putting their faith in Jesus means. I know a few Christians who would confidently state you are demonically influenced. Are they in the elect?

ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:03 pm

polonius.advice wrote:
ttruscott wrote:No innocent beings are born as children in this world...except Jesus. His being human is not counted in any of my arguments because of His divinity.
RESPONSE: What sin exactly is a newborn guilty of committing?

Either the sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit by rejecting the claims of YHWH to be our creator GOD as the lies of a false god making them reprobate
OR
the rebellion of some few of the elect against the judgement against the reprobate as unloving, too quickly decided or too harsh, etc.

All are born sinners (orthodox doctrine) is the same as 'Only sinners are born on earth' but with a twist in the pce direction.

ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:21 pm

polonius.advice wrote:
ttruscott wrote:
biblebeltpresbyterian wrote: This post seems to have taken a turn to apologetics from its original theological/doctrinal question. In response to the OP:

As Adam was the federal representative of mankind, the status of guilt was transferred to all mankind on account of his choice.
RESPONSE: How very unjust of God to hold a newborn guilty of a sin he did not commit!
I agree and that is why , if you actually read my posts, I reject this representation of how we came to be sinners at birth! Are we there yet???

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