What's in a name?

Exploring the details of Christianity

Moderator: Moderators

Checkpoint
Prodigy
Posts: 4069
Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:07 pm
Has thanked: 105 times
Been thanked: 64 times

What's in a name?

Post #1

Post by Checkpoint »

Names have their own meaning, and there is often a specific reason a parent has for choosing one for a newborn child they have.

In the Bible, a name may be changed to more accurately reflect a new situation.

What can we learn from the use and meaning of personal names in scripture?

Elijah John
Savant
Posts: 12236
Joined: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:23 pm
Location: New England
Has thanked: 11 times
Been thanked: 16 times

Post #21

Post by Elijah John »

onewithhim wrote: Jesus DID emphasize his Father's name---Jehovah. He spoke it every time he quoted from the O.T. He would not have left it out if it appeared in a scripture. He also said that he made his Father's name known and would continue to make it known (John 17:6,26).

Where is the verse found that you quoted? Who is "the Lord" that speaks that verse?
And I think we agree that "Yahweh" is also derived from the very same Tetragrammaton. And we agree that at least Jesus understood what YHVH meant. But I wonder if Jesus followed the Rabbinic prohibition against pronouncing the Divine name?

If that were the case, "hallowed be thy name" was implied but not pronounced in the hallowing.

Not sure what to make of the John references, but I wonder if when Jesus was rebuking Satan, he didn't say "It is written, worship Adonai (understood to be YHVH) your God and him only serve"?
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

User avatar
Prince
Scholar
Posts: 273
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:00 pm
Location: Ca USA

Post #22

Post by Prince »

Elijah John wrote:
Prince wrote:
Elijah John wrote: And Jesus taught us to "hallow" the name of the Father...do you think they were speaking of two different names?
Of course it is the same name but not the name you think.
Do you then suppose that King David understood the name to be "Father" when he implored "Give thanks to the name of the LORD", etc. etc.
Yes David knew God's name and used it but not the name Yahweh or Jehovah.

All of Gods children know His name. Only Gods children know His name.

As the son of man says;

"Once you have the light, believe in the light and you will become a child of light."

User avatar
onewithhim
Savant
Posts: 11114
Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:56 pm
Location: Norwich, CT
Has thanked: 1581 times
Been thanked: 471 times

Post #23

Post by onewithhim »

Elijah John wrote:
onewithhim wrote: Jesus DID emphasize his Father's name---Jehovah. He spoke it every time he quoted from the O.T. He would not have left it out if it appeared in a scripture. He also said that he made his Father's name known and would continue to make it known (John 17:6,26).

Where is the verse found that you quoted? Who is "the Lord" that speaks that verse?
And I think we agree that "Yahweh" is also derived from the very same Tetragrammaton. And we agree that at least Jesus understood what YHVH meant. But I wonder if Jesus followed the Rabbinic prohibition against pronouncing the Divine name?

If that were the case, "hallowed be thy name" was implied but not pronounced in the hallowing.

Not sure what to make of the John references, but I wonder if when Jesus was rebuking Satan, he didn't say "It is written, worship Adonai (understood to be YHVH) your God and him only serve"?
I have t o ask.....why would Jesus follow the silly prohibition of refusing to pronounce his Father's name? It's not even reasonable. And didn't he put the Jewish religious leaders in their place time and time again? He called them hypocrites and sons of vipers and castigated them for teaching "commands of men rather than the commandments of God." (Matthew chapter 23; Mark 7:7,8)


.

User avatar
JehovahsWitness
Savant
Posts: 23438
Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:03 am
Has thanked: 930 times
Been thanked: 1349 times
Contact:

Post #24

Post by JehovahsWitness »

Prince wrote:All of Gods children know His name. Only Gods children know His name.

Would you consider yourself one of God's children? If so, will you share with us what God's name is?
INDEX: More bible based ANSWERS
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681


"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" -
Romans 14:8

User avatar
Prince
Scholar
Posts: 273
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:00 pm
Location: Ca USA

Post #25

Post by Prince »

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Prince wrote:All of Gods children know His name. Only Gods children know His name.

Would you consider yourself one of God's children? If so, will you share with us what God's name is?
Doesn't scripture say;

"The Lord God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets."

"They search for me day after day and desire to know my ways as if they are a nation that is just and has not abandoned the law of their God."

"No one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born from above."

He who does the will of my heavenly Father hears my voice.

The man who hears my voice follows me and keeps my commandments.

User avatar
onewithhim
Savant
Posts: 11114
Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:56 pm
Location: Norwich, CT
Has thanked: 1581 times
Been thanked: 471 times

Post #26

Post by onewithhim »

Prince wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Prince wrote:All of Gods children know His name. Only Gods children know His name.

Would you consider yourself one of God's children? If so, will you share with us what God's name is?
Doesn't scripture say;

"The Lord God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets."

"They search for me day after day and desire to know my ways as if they are a nation that is just and has not abandoned the law of their God."

"No one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born from above."

He who does the will of my heavenly Father hears my voice.

The man who hears my voice follows me and keeps my commandments.
OK. But that didn't answer the question. What do you say God's name is?

User avatar
Prince
Scholar
Posts: 273
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:00 pm
Location: Ca USA

Post #27

Post by Prince »

onewithhim wrote:
Prince wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Prince wrote:All of Gods children know His name. Only Gods children know His name.

Would you consider yourself one of God's children? If so, will you share with us what God's name is?
Doesn't scripture say;

"The Lord God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets."

"They search for me day after day and desire to know my ways as if they are a nation that is just and has not abandoned the law of their God."

"No one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born from above."

He who does the will of my heavenly Father hears my voice.

The man who hears my voice follows me and keeps my commandments.
OK. But that didn't answer the question. What do you say God's name is?
The answer is in the works of the son, the servant of God.

As the Lord says;

"I shall change and purify the lips of the people so they will all call upon the name of the Lord to serve Him with one accord."

The words I speak are not my own it is the Father who lives in me performing His works.

User avatar
onewithhim
Savant
Posts: 11114
Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:56 pm
Location: Norwich, CT
Has thanked: 1581 times
Been thanked: 471 times

Post #28

Post by onewithhim »

Prince wrote:
onewithhim wrote:
Prince wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Prince wrote:All of Gods children know His name. Only Gods children know His name.

Would you consider yourself one of God's children? If so, will you share with us what God's name is?
Doesn't scripture say;

"The Lord God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets."

"They search for me day after day and desire to know my ways as if they are a nation that is just and has not abandoned the law of their God."

"No one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born from above."

He who does the will of my heavenly Father hears my voice.

The man who hears my voice follows me and keeps my commandments.
OK. But that didn't answer the question. What do you say God's name is?
The answer is in the works of the son, the servant of God.

As the Lord says;

"I shall change and purify the lips of the people so they will all call upon the name of the Lord to serve Him with one accord."

The words I speak are not my own it is the Father who lives in me performing His works.
You still did not answer the question as to what God's name is.

.

User avatar
JehovahsWitness
Savant
Posts: 23438
Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:03 am
Has thanked: 930 times
Been thanked: 1349 times
Contact:

Post #29

Post by JehovahsWitness »

Prince wrote:
onewithhim wrote:
Prince wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Prince wrote:All of Gods children know His name. Only Gods children know His name.

Would you consider yourself one of God's children? If so, will you share with us what God's name is?
Doesn't scripture say;

"The Lord God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets."

"They search for me day after day and desire to know my ways as if they are a nation that is just and has not abandoned the law of their God."

"No one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born from above."

He who does the will of my heavenly Father hears my voice.

The man who hears my voice follows me and keeps my commandments.
OK. But that didn't answer the question. What do you say God's name is?
The answer is in the works of the son, the servant of God.

As the Lord says;

"I shall change and purify the lips of the people so they will all call upon the name of the Lord to serve Him with one accord."

The words I speak are not my own it is the Father who lives in me performing His works.

Thank you but I cannot glean from your post what God's name is. Will you be willing to type the name out so we can read it?
INDEX: More bible based ANSWERS
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681


"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" -
Romans 14:8

User avatar
otseng
Savant
Posts: 20984
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:16 pm
Location: Atlanta, GA
Has thanked: 218 times
Been thanked: 393 times
Contact:

Post #30

Post by otseng »

Prince wrote: Your proof that Jehovah is His name only underscores your lack of virtue and understanding of God's word.
Moderator Comment

Please avoid making any comments about another poster.

Please review the Rules.


______________

Moderator comments do not count as a strike against any posters. They only serve as an acknowledgment that a post report has been received, but has not been judged to warrant a moderator warning against a particular poster. Any challenges or replies to moderator postings should be made via Private Message to avoid derailing topics.

Post Reply