Does (or will) the Kingdom of Heaven transcend the walls (metaphorical) of the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Will those outside of the Watch Tower organization be part of the Kingdom? Will they inherit "eternal life in Paradise on Earth"?
Why or why not?
The Kingdom of Heaven
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Elijah John
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The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #1 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #2[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
Are you implying that you have ever met a Jehovah's Witness who has told you they, not God, decides who goes to heaven? If so, please produce your evidence. If not can we dismiss your question as mere hate mongering?
Clarification would be appreciated,
JW
(BTW: JEHOVAH is part of our name, "Watchtower" is not)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 954#887954
Are you implying that you have ever met a Jehovah's Witness who has told you they, not God, decides who goes to heaven? If so, please produce your evidence. If not can we dismiss your question as mere hate mongering?
Clarification would be appreciated,
JW
(BTW: JEHOVAH is part of our name, "Watchtower" is not)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 954#887954
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Re: The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #3 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #4The short answer is, we are seeking those wanting to be recruited. Looking for lost sheep that are seeking a Sheppard for truth. We seek those that like truth no matter what the truth is. To try and seek out anyone for any other reason is fruitless. We don't want dishonest people in our Kingdom Halls only seeking to save their own skin or looking for some personal glory. If a person has the attitude of 'I want to be better than and lord over others' please go somewhere else. In other words, if a person doesn't think they are lost, has it all figured out and doesn't need anyone, then we move on.
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Re: The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #5"recruits"? recruits?! Is that what you call Christians now, recruits? Do you really think you honor Jesus by calling honest hearted people that love truth "recruits"?
Jesus commanded his followers to go, to preach and to make disciples, Jehovah's Witnesses do exactly as instructed.
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681
"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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Re: The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #6[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
Hello my beautiful friend!
So, the way I interpret what is being asked is this, are JW the only people who are going to Heaven?
If that indeed is the question, I would think that JW, Baptist, Catholic, Protestant, or any other denomination would not have the privilege to call such a judgement. We are not the judge, but we are His disciples who bring good news to the hearts of God's people.
Hello my beautiful friend!
So, the way I interpret what is being asked is this, are JW the only people who are going to Heaven?
If that indeed is the question, I would think that JW, Baptist, Catholic, Protestant, or any other denomination would not have the privilege to call such a judgement. We are not the judge, but we are His disciples who bring good news to the hearts of God's people.
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Re: The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #7The majority (in the millions) of JWs don't seek rulership in Heaven but life on Earth. Only a very small fraction (a few thousand) seek Heaven. However, as PN says here, we are not judges of who gets any these rewards. By the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ there will not be 100s of divisive religions. There will only be real truth. There will be no confusion. I'd imagine the term religion will disappear. There will only be servants of Jehovah. I hope I'm there to see it! I say that because the name of my religion and me being a member doesn't save me. I have found no solid support for once saved always saved.Peds nurse wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
Hello my beautiful friend!
So, the way I interpret what is being asked is this, are JW the only people who are going to Heaven?
If that indeed is the question, I would think that JW, Baptist, Catholic, Protestant, or any other denomination would not have the privilege to call such a judgement. We are not the judge, but we are His disciples who bring good news to the hearts of God's people.
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Re: The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #8No, that is not what I call Christians, but it is how I characterize prospective converts to the WTS and anyone who equates doing God's will primarily with the process of "making converts and disciples".JehovahsWitness wrote:
"recruits"? recruits?! Is that what you call Christians now, recruits? Do you really think you honor Jesus by calling honest hearted people that love truth "recruits"?
And regarding "truth, you folks aren't the only ones who love and seek the truth. I hope that is not what you are saying, that you folks have some kind of a monopoly on "truth".
You're to be commended for obeying Jesus as you understand him and his instructions. But why attempt to "preach to, and make disciples" of other Christians?JehovahsWitness wrote: Jesus commanded his followers to go, to preach and to make disciples, Jehovah's Witnesses do exactly as instructed.
Do you not realize that good Catholics, good Protestants, good Orthodox and good freelance Christians are already with God? In relationship with Him?
I don't recall Jesus giving any instruction to preach to other Christians, you know, the ones you derisively refer to as "Christendom".
I think a lot of other Christians would hope that you think twice before you knock on the door of other Christians.
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #9Hi PN, good to see you active on the boards again.Peds nurse wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
Hello my beautiful friend!
So, the way I interpret what is being asked is this, are JW the only people who are going to Heaven?
If that indeed is the question, I would think that JW, Baptist, Catholic, Protestant, or any other denomination would not have the privilege to call such a judgement. We are not the judge, but we are His disciples who bring good news to the hearts of God's people.
Yes, that is the question I meant, though I understand JW's would not phrase it quite that way, as "Heaven" is only for the 144,000 overseers in their theology.
But I had not intended to delve into that rabbit hole of the particular details of their doctrine, but rather only to the general question of salvation, whether God's mercy extends beyond the Kingdom Hall.
I agree, in that only God knows the heart. And that would include JWs and other Christians as well as other Theists/Deists believers and non-believers alike.
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Moderator CommentJehovahsWitness wrote: If not can we dismiss your question as mere hate mongering?
I would not classify the OP as hatemongering. It is a perfectly valid debate question.
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