Many, many cultures have imagined God in many, many ways. Certain cultures declare everyone else's idea of God to be false.
How do we objectively determine whose version of God is NOT false?
Which god is God?
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Re: Which god is God?
Post #11The way I see people doing it is to pick a god concept, claim it is the One True God (see JehovahsWitness, post 6 for a great example) and that all other god concepts are false or human imagination.SallyF wrote: Many, many cultures have imagined God in many, many ways. Certain cultures declare everyone else's idea of God to be false.
How do we objectively determine whose version of God is NOT false?
Basically, speacial pleading...
No idea how any of the known gods could be objectively determined to be not false though. Makes more sense, to me at least, that all god concepts are/were invented.
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Re: Which god is God?
Post #12Clownboat wrote:
The way I see people doing it is to pick a god concept, claim it is the One True God (see JehovahsWitness, post 6 for a great example) and that all other god concepts are false or human imagination.
Here is the link to my post (referenced above)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 825#960825
Yes, it is true I believe any one other than YHWH that claims to be the Creator is lying or fictional. That is exactly what I am saying.
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Re: Which god is God?
Post #13JehovahsWitness wrote:
Yes, it is true I believe any one other than YHWH that claims to be the Creator is lying or fictional. That is exactly what I am saying.
PSALMS 24:1
To Jehovah belong the earth and everything in it, The productive land and those dwelling on it
This answers which God you believe in. It doesn't address the question from the OP:
- How do we objectively determine whose version of God is NOT false?
The fact that you believe in YHWH, in no way helps us objectively determine which God is NOT false.
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Re: Which god is God?
Post #14Tcg wrote:
How do we objectively determine whose version of God is NOT false?
QUESTION How can one objectively determine which of the many gods is the True God?
♦ANSWER If by "true God" one means the God, amongst the many millions that are referred to, which is the Creator of the universe and the one that should rightly be worshipped, one should take the following steps:
#1. Examine the available evidence
#2. Test out various theories indicated from said examination.
#3. Adopt the theory that best corresponds with what is known and proven to be true.
JW
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Re: Which god is God?
Post #15JehovahsWitness wrote:Tcg wrote:
How do we objectively determine whose version of God is NOT false?
QUESTION How can one objectively determine which of the many gods is the True God?
♦ANSWER If by "true God" one means the God, amongst the many millions that are referred to, which is the Creator of the universe and the one that should rightly be worshipped, one should take the following steps:
JW#1. Examine the available evidence
#2. Test out various theories indicated from said examination.
#3. Adopt the theory that best corresponds with what is known and proven to be true.
Once again you are addressing a question the OP doesn't ask. Your question ASSUMES that there is a true god. You then provide three vague rules that supposedly lead one to find this one true god.
Let's craft the actual question from the OP to your particular God. Hopefully you'll address it rather than change the subject for the third time.
And please don't ignore the word, "objectively." We already know your subjective belief.
- How do we objectively determine YHWH is NOT false?
Tcg
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- Irvin D. Yalom
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Re: Which god is God?
Post #16[Replying to post 15 by Tcg]
HOW CAN ONE OBJECTIVELY DETERMINE IF THERE IS A GOD* OR NOT?
Read online: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/23459
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Read Online: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/23467
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- ♦ANSWER As with all things one would have to come to a logical conclusion based on an analysis of available relevant information and verifiable facts. In this case it would involve an objective examination and analysis of the physical universe and the life we can observe therein.
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Re: Which god is God?
Post #17JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 15 by Tcg]
HOW CAN ONE OBJECTIVELY DETERMINE IF THERE IS A GOD* OR NOT?
This third question is also NOT the question the OP asks. Once again, here is the question the OP asks:
- How do we objectively determine whose version of God is NOT false?
At this point are we to conclude you have no intention of addressing it?
If not, please present evidence that you do intend to address it.
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
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Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
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I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
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Re: Which god is God?
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Post #19And a fourth question that addresses neither the question from the OP nor the specific question I addressed directly to you. Please explain why no are avoiding both.
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To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
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- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
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Re: Which god is God?
Post #20[Replying to post 19 by Tcg]
I'm not avoiding I'm trying to clarify what you are asking. I took "not false" to be a synonym for TRUE but if I was mistaken please explain. The posts and links I have I have provided look at imho every conceivable approach to the question in the OP ... If I have missed something and there is an aspect I have not dealt with, please just clarify what it is.
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I'm not avoiding I'm trying to clarify what you are asking. I took "not false" to be a synonym for TRUE but if I was mistaken please explain. The posts and links I have I have provided look at imho every conceivable approach to the question in the OP ... If I have missed something and there is an aspect I have not dealt with, please just clarify what it is.
JW
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