Those missing Commandments

[Willum]

This post is not to discuss the value of the Ten Commandments, or those things that ARE labelled sins, but to call attention to those Commandments that appear to be missing, that would prevent a great deal of horror, that, for lack of a more tactful way of putting it: That, an omniscient being should have known and included.

1. Thou shalt not molest or abuse children.
One might be able to forgive the Hebrew and surrounding nations for this one, I mean even up until recent times, rights weren't a thing, and children in many nations, survived at the whim of their parents and community. Resources were tight, and children might not be able to contribute...
But a deity now, who understands just how detrimental abuse is to children throughout their lives and their generations, surely could have added a Commandment or sin to keep the ship steady, not harm children.
One that replaced, oh the mixing of fabrics, for example.

Now, one might say this is covered in the Golden Rule, or elsewhere, but I defy this. The sin is not written in Bible, and by and large this abomination is the one that plagues holy men of the Abrahamic faiths - pedophilia.
For this debate I'll claim: This is not a coincidence.

2. Thou shalt not rape people. I know, I know, this flies in the face of Deuteronomy, but I for one really think it rates above thou shalt not steal, or the extravagantly ignored, thou shalt not bear false witness.

3. Thou shalt not own other people. I know, I know, another Deuteronomy-buster, and Jesus-contradictor, and I know I know, slavery was a thing coming out of Egypt and all, but the lesson of the power and weal of free men was one hard learned through history. It still faces battles today. While I could understand weak willed humans not getting it, an all knowing deity should have realized this, and made it his will, to benefit mankind.
I can only think that were there an all-knowing, benevolent God, he would have made a note or two about the value of the human spirit in terrestrial endeavors.

So three Commandments that I believe (yes I used the word 'believe.') would have had considerable boon to the planet, had they been added, and I can not help but think that, were this God real, at least these three would have been included in the fifteen... (CRASH) ten Commandments.

Can anyone think of others?
Views of others? Counter-point?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 14 by Elijah John]

Ah, yes, love thy neighbor as thyself, and do unto others as you would have done to yourself, these are such perfect wolves in sheeps clothing that if Jesus existed, wed have to suspect him of being the Devils pawn, no?

Pedophilia is especially an abomination punished by men, and not God, where victims of the crime turn into future perpetrators of it.

When you think about it just a moment, everyone treats others as they would themselves: and because we have masochists, sadists, self-depreciating, self aggrandizing, in fact every behavior, these evils are communicated under the cunning disguise of good. (Or the vanity that we believe we are good.)

In the particular case of pedophilia, the perpetrator is doing to others as was done to him, so that little gem of wisdom, good for good people turns very bitter for bad.

Indeed, I covered this in the original post:

Now, one might say this is covered in the Golden Rule, or elsewhere, but I defy this. The sin is not written in Bible, and by and large this abomination is the one that plagues holy men of the Abrahamic faiths - pedophilia.
For this debate I'll claim: This is not a coincidence.

[Replying to post 18 by bjs]

So if we think about bad people doing bad things to others, because this is how they wish to be treated, or this is how they perceive love, (or worse), we see the value of having sins specified for what are not.

I mean, shouldnt love thy neighbor... prevent slavery? It doesnt, why? Shouldnt it prevent rape? Why doesnt it? Child abuse? Why doesnt it?
Because these three peoples, slaves, women and children were beneath the law of the Bible.
If God had written it, if there was a God to write it, or have it written in his Name, he would have known the damage these exclusions would and have had on mankind.

Youd think with 603 sins, one of them would specify, not harming children, rape, or slavery... Quite the opposite, Deuteronomy states rape is not a sin, for the value of a woman, 50 shekels. It states laws for how to treat and ABUSE slaves.
If such exists for slaves and rape, why would you consider children worth noticing?

So, no, love thy neighbor, and the Golden Rule, where they dont support these behaviors, do nothing to allay them. They work on good people who seek to be treated well, just as they do on bad, who have been, and seek to be treated badly.

Indeed, I covered this in the original post:

Now, one might say this is covered in the Golden Rule, or elsewhere, but I defy this. The sin is not written in Bible, and by and large this abomination is the one that plagues holy men of the Abrahamic faiths - pedophilia.
For this debate I'll claim: This is not a coincidence.

Were there a good God, He would have made a few more commandments, as it is, he is either shortsighted, nonexistent or malevolent.

And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.

[JehovahsWitness]

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Which of the 600+ commands cited in Jewish literature apply to (or are binding on) Christians?

None of them.

GALATIANS 5:18
But when you are directed by the Spirit, you are not under obligation to the law of Moses. - NLT

Christians are not under the Mosaic law they are under Christian law*. It just so happens Christian law includes some of the same laws as was in the abolished Mosaic law, notably two of the greatest (Deut 6:5 ; Led 19:18).


* CHRISTIAN LAW : The rules and principles outlined in the Greek scriptures based on the teachings of Christ






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CHRISTIANITY, THE MOSIAC LAW and ...SABBATH KEEPING

[Tcg]

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Which of the 600+ commands cited in Jewish literature apply to (or are binding on) Christians?

None of them.

All of them according to the words attributed to Jesus:

• Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

This of course wouldn't be the first time his claimed words were ignored in order to support a religion some find more palatable than his.


Tcg

[Elijah John]

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Which of the 600+ commands cited in Jewish literature apply to (or are binding on) Christians?

None of them.

All of them according to the words attributed to Jesus:

• Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Tcg

And then there's this: (Mt 19:16-19)

16And someone came to Him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life? 17And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments. 18Then he said to Him, Which ones? And Jesus said, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; 19HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

( my underline for emphasis, but the caps came with the quote I copied and pasted)

At least some of the Jewish Commandments are binding on Christians and overlap with Jesus' teachings. Or do you suppose that Christian freedom give license to murder, cheat, steal, lie, and disrespect parents? I doubt it.

Also, the disciples of Paul should take note that Jesus does not condemn "works" (keep the Commandments) as a way to Heaven. In fact, he seems to encourage it.

[Willum]

As you can see, just noting the issues with "God's" morality sends not one but two religions into moral tailspins.

We find that the Golden Rule becomes inadequate when it is applied to people who don't want to be treated well, or have been treated badly. Or can simply find the exception, whatever it is.

In fact, love thy neighbor as you love yourself is the ultimate slippery slope, isn't it? In some sense it makes everyone their own ultimate morale authority.
If that doesn't sound like a disaster to you, then look at Judaic and Christian history. It is the the bloodiest, and often bragged about.

We also find that God is incredibly short-sighted and simplistic for an all-knowing creator, with great ideas for 300 BCE, but upon reflection, condemns children and women heartlessly, throughout centuries.

Where is Thou Shalt Not Commit Genocide?
That would have come in handy not too long ago. Of course it would have embarrassed those who follow the Adventures of Moses.

Do we dare say "love thy neighbor as Moses loved the Canaan?" "Love thy neighbor as Saul loved the Amalekites?" If the Bible is to be believed, and it shouldn't Moses and Saul enacted genocide on those peoples. (Actually the Canaan lived quite well as the Seleucid and Carthaginian until conquered by Rome.)
I am sure it would be quite offensive to say any modern madmen simply loved their neighbors to modern genocides, and for the same claimed religious reasons.

Where is "thou shalt not be a pedophile? rapist?" and so on, folks really need sins about mixed fabrics, or boiling goats in milk?

Were God real, he would have a real grasp of human nature. He would know that abusing children poisons humanity. He would see that the Golden Rule was personal morality that was judged by the individual, and only worked because even good people fail at it.

[1213]

We find that the Golden Rule becomes inadequate when it is applied to people who don't want to be treated well, or have been treated badly. Or can simply find the exception, whatever it is

The more corrupt the republic, the more numerous the laws.
- Publius Tacitus

Only two laws are needed for non-corrupted people. Modern people need many books of laws and even they are not enough, because people who want to do evil (not love), find always way to go around the law and do evil things, that is why we have so many lawyers to find loopholes in the law?

Where is Thou Shalt Not Commit Genocide?

Genocide is basically mass murder and murder is forbidden in the ten commandments. Also, person who is righteous understands it is not in line with love your neighbor as yourself.

[Willum]

[Replying to 1213]

War and genocide are generally not considered murder, else states would and could be put on trial.
Nice try, but morality does not ebb and sway to justify Christian beliefs.

[Willum]

Now this Commandment might seem trite, but in light of humanity, I think a wise deity who understood human nature would create a few sub-Commandments:

Thou shalt not use my name to commit genocide.

I mean it does seem awfully specific, but just think how many times in history that Commandment would have saved God's people from death and Diaspora?
And just think about how many other peoples it would have saved.

How about:

Thou shalt not use my name to steal land.
Although in this case it would not be totally in favor of God's people, I think they would have benefited from it over the course of history more than they lost.
And all the other peoples that would have been saved are incalculable.

I think those two Commandments, in the light of history, a hindsight a omniscient creature would have, would have been worth including, or at least elaborating the existing ones with...

When viewed in this hideous light, God himself must have included the LACK OF Commandments in his divine plan.

Now there is an unsettling thought for believers and non-believers alike.

[JJ50]

Thou shalt not believe the Bible to be literally true.