How would an ecosystem function? No more death even accidental? How is that arranged? Every living thing a herbivore? The concept of prides of lion's grazing the savannah seems far fetched. Wouldn't the earth become crowded rather quickly?
I'm no biologist, but I'm seeing some nutrient cycle problems. Considering that plants are living things, why is it they aren't immune to death? Starting with mankind, how many levels of living things are immune from death? Are microorganisms exempt?
It all seems a bit far fetched.
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Post #2[Replying to post 1 by postroad]
As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I should really clarify we do not believe in a paradise without death, only a paradise without adamic death.
Animals, plants (microorganisms) were not, we believe, designed to live forever and will indeed diie at the completion of their natural life cycles. Plants will we believe continue to serve as food for humans and animals*. Any humans subject to serious accidents may well "die" as a result (although the biblical case of Euyticus demonstrates Gods abillity to instantly resurrect victims of fatal accident) and no human that refuses to respect God's standards will be allowed to continue to live.
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As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I should really clarify we do not believe in a paradise without death, only a paradise without adamic death.
Animals, plants (microorganisms) were not, we believe, designed to live forever and will indeed diie at the completion of their natural life cycles. Plants will we believe continue to serve as food for humans and animals*. Any humans subject to serious accidents may well "die" as a result (although the biblical case of Euyticus demonstrates Gods abillity to instantly resurrect victims of fatal accident) and no human that refuses to respect God's standards will be allowed to continue to live.
* The bible promises peaceful relations between humans and animals and even between animals themselves. The scriptures are not specific as to how this will come about but we are confident it will. JWs believe in the concept of miracles.
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If death will be eliminated, why will animals not live forever in paradise ?
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I am inclined to think this world is the best of all possible worlds, and was designed to be that way by a loving God.
To be sure, we have our problems. Essentially, they divide into two types; natural evils, and moral evils.
Natural evils are things like volcanic eruptions, and tsunami tidal waves. The theodicy I prefer here is that the same physical laws that make of the world so pleasant for us to inhabit, necessitate the occasional disaster. Without snowy topped mountains, you could not have avalanches. But, I think, most of us, and not only skiers and climbers, would prefer permanent extreme topography to a lack of temporary risk.
Moral evils are our own fault, and it is up to us to rid ourselves of them. Genocide springs to mind; if we all had the spiritual strength and love of humanity to oppose such outrages, they could not happen.
So I am of the opinion that paradise is not a simple matter of the lack of natural and moral evils; just the ongoing process of dealing with them. It gives us all something useful to do with our lives, without which purpose, I suspect, we would all become very bored, very quickly.
Best wishes, 2RM.
To be sure, we have our problems. Essentially, they divide into two types; natural evils, and moral evils.
Natural evils are things like volcanic eruptions, and tsunami tidal waves. The theodicy I prefer here is that the same physical laws that make of the world so pleasant for us to inhabit, necessitate the occasional disaster. Without snowy topped mountains, you could not have avalanches. But, I think, most of us, and not only skiers and climbers, would prefer permanent extreme topography to a lack of temporary risk.
Moral evils are our own fault, and it is up to us to rid ourselves of them. Genocide springs to mind; if we all had the spiritual strength and love of humanity to oppose such outrages, they could not happen.
So I am of the opinion that paradise is not a simple matter of the lack of natural and moral evils; just the ongoing process of dealing with them. It gives us all something useful to do with our lives, without which purpose, I suspect, we would all become very bored, very quickly.
Best wishes, 2RM.
Non omnes qui errant pereunt
Not all who wander are lost
Not all who wander are lost
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I think such optimism indicates that humans have in their genes a spark of divinity. To have one's baby killed by a venomous snake and then smile in appreciation of the Great Diversity would be unusual. Basically we have a living place where things happen predictably, and occasionally nasty events occur. The god involved is Chance; billions of places don't have the right conditions - we do. Some folk think we should set up a large symbolic statue to thank Chance or maybe build temples in which we could offer prayers in exchange for water from heaven.2ndRateMind wrote:
So I am of the opinion that paradise is not a simple matter of the lack of natural and moral evils; just the ongoing process of dealing with them. It gives us all something useful to do with our lives, without which purpose, I suspect, we would all become very bored, very quickly.
