Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[tam]

Peace to you all,

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #1982]

Jesus settled the issue of whether a perfect human can stay perfectly loyal to God; Humans are not inevitably destined to rebell. After the final test of the release of Satan, all those alive will have proved they love God and support his soverienty. If after that anyone does decide to oppose God, they will not be allowed to ruin paradise; the wages of sin is death.

But there is no more death. Death and Hades (the world of the dead) are destroyed after the judgment. There is certainly no death in the Kingdom (which would lead to there being fear in the Kingdom, if not for yourself then for others that you love).

But God is so certain (God is the One who would know) that there will be no more death - and so no more need for a world of the dead - that the world of the dead is destroyed. Even death is destroyed.

The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 1Corinth 15:26


And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes,’ and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away. Rev 21:4


No more death, mourning, crying or pain.

The promise is true (and it is true), or it is not. There is no in between.


Peace again,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[JehovahsWitness]

Peace to you all,

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #1982]

Jesus settled the issue of whether a perfect human can stay perfectly loyal to God; Humans are not inevitably destined to rebell. After the final test of the release of Satan, all those alive will have proved they love God and support his soverienty. If after that anyone does decide to oppose God, they will not be allowed to ruin paradise; the wages of sin is death.

But there is no more death.

There's no more "Adamic" death (please read Romans 5:12).


JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to

LIFE, DEATH and ...THE HUMAN SOUL

[tam]

Peace again to you all,

Peace to you all,

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #1982]

Jesus settled the issue of whether a perfect human can stay perfectly loyal to God; Humans are not inevitably destined to rebell. After the final test of the release of Satan, all those alive will have proved they love God and support his soverienty. If after that anyone does decide to oppose God, they will not be allowed to ruin paradise; the wages of sin is death.

But there is no more death.

There's no more "Adamic" death (please read Romans 5:12).


JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to

LIFE, DEATH and ...THE HUMAN SOUL

You are adding to what is written, adding a qualifier. But that is not what is written. That is not the promise. The promise is no more death. Period. Also no more mourning or tears or pain.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Eloi]

There are many ways to ask questions, clarify things ... How unpleasant to have to dialogue with a person who is always accusing the other of anything!

If the Scripture says death came from only one man, as my brother JW quoted before (Rom. 5:12), then it refers to Adamic death, because Adam is that man, obviously.

Although the death that we call "natural" does not exist in paradise, it does not mean that human beings can never be destroyed in case they become disobedient like the first parents that "this" humanity had.

Is. 65:20 “No more will there be an infant from that place who lives but a few days,
Nor an old man who fails to live out his days.
For anyone who dies at a hundred will be considered a mere boy,
And the sinner will be cursed, even though he is a hundred years of age.

Furthermore, if a body of flesh and bones is exposed to a dangerous condition, lack of oxygen, extreme temperatures, lack of water and food, etc., it does not matter that a human being is perfect, his life would be in danger. Whoever does not follow the rules that he must follow will expose himself to risks to his physical integrity. Being perfect DOES NOT MEAN to be immortal.

PD: If you have something to respond to my post, I would appreciate it if it was a clarification question and not a malicious accusation. Thank you.

[tam]

Peace to you,

There are many ways to ask questions, clarify things ... How unpleasant to have to dialogue with a person who is always accusing the other of anything!

Eloi, I simply stated what was true. The verse states 'no more death'. Changing that to 'no more Adamic death' is adding to what is written, adding a qualifier.

If the Scripture says death came from only one man, as my brother JW quoted before (Rom. 5:12), then it refers to Adamic death, because Adam is that man, obviously.

Although the death that we call "natural" does not exist in paradise, it does not mean that human beings can never be destroyed in case they become disobedient like the first parents that "this" humanity had.

Is. 65:20 “No more will there be an infant from that place who lives but a few days,
Nor an old man who fails to live out his days.
For anyone who dies at a hundred will be considered a mere boy,
And the sinner will be cursed, even though he is a hundred years of age.

These are things that happen before death (the last enemy) and hades (the world of the dead) are destroyed.

Furthermore, if a body of flesh and bones is exposed to a dangerous condition, lack of oxygen, extreme temperatures, lack of water and food, etc., it does not matter that a human being is perfect, his life would be in danger. Whoever does not follow the rules that he must follow will expose himself to risks to his physical integrity. Being perfect DOES NOT MEAN to be immortal.

Are you suggesting that eating from the Tree of Life does not mean that a person will live forever?

Why is it so hard to believe the promise, even if you are not sure how it is possible?

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”



Would there not be mourning and crying and pain (and of course death) among God's people, if someone from among God's people, died from the elements?




Peace again to you.

[Eloi]

Well, sometimes you do not need to read something explicitly, cause you can arrive to that from a text after a simple and basic reasoning ... like it is the case. I do not read my brother telling that the Bible mentiones the word "adamic" about death, but as you can see, it is not difficult to understand from Rom. 5:12 that what we call "natural" death means "adamic death". Not need to make a thread about it, as JW said before.

We Witnesses don't even bother to convince anyone of anything. We are content that some people at least understand the reasons why we reach certain conclusions based on the Scriptures. Can you make a little effort to understand our reasons?

[Purple Knight]

I did already address this point HERE
viewtopic.php?p=1061370#p1061370

You did as far as the fellow doing the head-chopping. The wages of sin are death, and he won't be allowed to ruin Paradise. That seems to suggest that Bob would die immediately. Perhaps he'd die before his sword stoke falls, solving two problems in one.

As far as Joe getting his head chopped, I'm just wondering how you picture it. Perhaps he 1) doesn't die, perhaps he 2) gets a second free rez, or perhaps 3) God intervenes and prevents the chopping. All of these are possible and as far as I know the official lore doesn't address it at all (except maybe to forbid 2 since it does say they'll live forever). Just asking how you see this playing out.

[Eloi]

(...) Why is it so hard to believe the promise, even if you are not sure how it is possible?

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

(...)

I guess you're so used to that, you don't even realize when you make a malicious accusation. And starting with a "wish for peace" and ending with another every post you write, I think you won't realize how ugly everything looks.

If there is a religious group (and ours is the only one in that we all teach the same, being almost 9 million in more than 230 countries) ... that has complete confidence and mentions the promise of Rev. 21: 3,4 as much as possible, that is ours.

How is it that you can come up with such an accusation?

[Purple Knight]

I don't know. Apparently, you can cut a worm into two pieces, and they grow back. Even lizards will regrow a a new tail. If Frankenstein can have a new head, why can't Joe. Are you saying that Frankenstein was not a real guy? Say it is not so.

I'm saying that when I ask questions about Frankenstein I do suspend my disbelief and pretend he was a real guy. About half the people in the world seem to have a total inability to do this and the other half seem to think it indicates some sort of insanity.

But I think great good can come from fully utilising the imagination. If I can't imagine things are true other than what I'm told to be true, I'll never find out if I'm wrong. If it's possible to do something extraordinary, like bring back the dead, I'll never imagine how because I'll just never think about Frankenstein as possibly real.

There is a whole documentary about how much technology we now have that was first dreamed up in Star Trek. So, plus to the dreamers who actually imagined their dreams being real.

[William]

I don't know. Apparently, you can cut a worm into two pieces, and they grow back. Even lizards will regrow a a new tail. If Frankenstein can have a new head, why can't Joe. Are you saying that Frankenstein was not a real guy? Say it is not so.

I'm saying that when I ask questions about Frankenstein I do suspend my disbelief and pretend he was a real guy. About half the people in the world seem to have a total inability to do this and the other half seem to think it indicates some sort of insanity.

But I think great good can come from fully utilising the imagination. If I can't imagine things are true other than what I'm told to be true, I'll never find out if I'm wrong. If it's possible to do something extraordinary, like bring back the dead, I'll never imagine how because I'll just never think about Frankenstein as possibly real.

There is a whole documentary about how much technology we now have that was first dreamed up in Star Trek. So, plus to the dreamers who actually imagined their dreams being real.

Yes - I recall creating a topic about this due to the extremely bad-rap that imagination gets from the materialist sector.

Condescending Ideas About Imagination
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Post by William » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:18 pm