ADAM WAS NOT DECIEVED - THE SPIRITUAL REASON WHY

[Eddie Ramos]

The message of the gospel is the central thread which runs through every account in the Bible. The problem is that because the gospel is the spiritual message of the Bible, it is often concealed within the literal account of historical events in the Bible. The Bible refers to is as the spiritual meaning which can be seen by God's people if they search for it. One such example is that of the fall of Adam and Eve. On the surface, we see the serpent talking with Eve. But why did Satan specifically go after Eve and not Adam? Because of who each of them represent spiritually. The Bible tells us that Adam was a figure or typified Christ.

Romans 5:14 (KJV 1900)
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Since Adam spiritually represented Christ, then Eve (Adam's wife) represented the bride of Christ (the true believers).

2 Corinthians 11:2 (KJV 1900)
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Using this spiritual comparison, now we can see why Satan targeted Eve, because Eve, the wife (like the true believers) was the weaker vessel.

Thus Satan deceived Eve into sinning. Eve was deceived, but Adam wasn't.

1 Timothy 2:14 (KJV 1900)
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Well, if Adam was not deceived, then why did he also sin? Well, if we keep the spiritual picture in mind of who they represent, then this scripture comes to mind.

2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV 1900)
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Adam was not deceived into sinning, he sinned willingly because his wife sinned. In other words, he who knew no sin (like Christ) became sin because his wife (the true believers) had become sin. And his punishment was death.

Genesis 3:17–19 (KJV 1900)
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Can anyone see the spiritual picture of the gospel in the account of the fall of mankind per the scriptures?

[JehovahsWitness]

I showed how Eve typifies the bride of Christ in post #24.

No you didnt, you simply listed a number of scriptures and tied them together with dubious hypothesis. Jesus is explicitly linked to Adam in scripture, literally being named "the last adam". Where is EVE ever explicitly named in connection with the bride of Christ? Name (3) specific aspects of Eve's actions that paralle the bride's.


JW




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[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #30]

You are implying that the GOD judged Eve for being disloyal and disobedient whereas the story appears to say that the GOD judged her for allowing herself to being misinformed and manipulated

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #31]

Off the bat I can name one. She obeyed her husband.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #30]

You are implying that the GOD judged Eve for being disloyal and disobedient whereas the story appears to say that the GOD judged her for allowing herself to being misinformed and manipulated

Where ? Chapter and verse?

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #30]

Where ? Chapter and verse?

Rather than be disingenuous let us all agree that we have access to the story...see for yourself or not.
Show me where the story say's she disobeyed her hubby and I will withdraw my assertion...

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #30]
Show me in the story anywhere where Eve is instructed by this 'Father' you claim she disobeyed, and I will withdraw my assertion.

[JehovahsWitness]

Show me in the story anywhere where Eve is instructed by this 'Father' you claim she disobeyed, and I will withdraw my assertion.

One does not have to be personally instructed by the lawgiver to be guilty of disobedience. The prohibition originated with God, so however Eve's knowledge of the law came about, her disobedience was in direct defiance of the God that issued the prohibition. The text clearly and explicity depicts Eve as disobeying the law.

When Adam defended himself he identified Eve as the one whom God had given, so there is little doubt they were both aware that YHWH (Jehovah) was the Creator of all things; the universal "Father"and lifegiver.

[Eddie Ramos]

I showed how Eve typifies the bride of Christ in post #24.

No you didnt, you simply listed a number of scriptures and tied them together with dubious hypothesis. Jesus is explicitly linked to Adam in scripture, literally being named "the last adam". Where is EVE ever explicitly named in connection with the bride of Christ? Name (3) specific aspects of Eve's actions that paralle the bride's.


JW

I'm not sure why you are asking for specific verses that literally link Eve with the bride of Christ because don't you believe that David is a parallel of Christ? And for one to be a parallel doesn't mean that it must carry through in every account of their lives (like David committing adultery), right? Yet you do believe that David is a type of Christ (because the site you promote says so), yet you can't show one verse that literally links them the same way you say Jesus is "literally named the last Adam". Why then do you use a double standard and ask me to do it for Eve when I showed from the scriptures that she indeed does typify the elect/bride of Christ, using the same method your site does regarding David, yet you completely rejected my verses. I would say that it's because you already have your mind made up and are refusing correction from the scriptures.

But I will copy and paste it again here since you asked:

Post #24: "The first thing that always needs to be established, before arriving at a spiritual understanding here, is whether or not the scriptures even liken Adam to Christ, and they do.

Romans 5:14 (KJV 1900)
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.


Adam is the figure of Christ. Now, this word "figure" is most commonly translated as "example". So, we could also say that Adam was an example of Christ, and we can't dismiss this truth when we go back and look at everything we read about Adam. Like for example, how Eve (Adam's wife) was made, from Adam's bone and flesh, just like God's eternal church (the true believers).

Ephesians 5:30–32 (KJV 1900)
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

So, in the context of a husband and his wife, God ties in the spiritual picture of Christ and his eternal church. Therefore, we can biblically conclude that because Adam is a figure of Christ and Adam was the husband of Eve, and that Eve was made the exact same way as the eternal church, then Eve is indeed a figure of the eternal church, the bride of Christ.

Genesis 2:23 (KJV 1900)
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

As the wife is one with her husband, so the true child of God (the bride) is one with Christ (her husband). And because the role of the husband is laid out all throughout the scriptures, we can understand now, that they first and foremost apply to Christ and then to the earthly husbands. This helps us conclude that it was Adam who told Eve what God's law was, the same way that Christ (the Word of God) tells his bride what God's law is. And just as we understand that we are not to break any of God's commands, so did Eve understand. That's why she refused to eat of it until she was deceived into disobeying God.

But, if we want to follow a logic that many hold to that tells us that Adam should have stopped her, and because he didn't stope her, then he was just as guilty. Yet when we sin willingly (as Eve did), why doesn't not Christ stop us? Does that make Christ just as guilty for not stopping his bride from sinning? Of course not. But keeping in mind that Adam is a figure of Christ, when the Word of God tells us not to sin, then every opportunity to sin becomes a test for us, doesn't it? It was the same with the garden. God allowed Satan to tempt Eve in order to see (even though God already knew the outcome) who Eve would obey? And just as the Devil seeks to deceive the true children of God (the bride of Christ), so too, did it begin with the one who represented the bride of Christ, Eve.

This is why Adam's part in all this leaves many who can't see the spiritual picture here, baffled and scratching their heads, wondering why Adam did not stop her since he was with her. And since we don't know what Adam was thinking before as Eve was being tempted, we don't need to guess. All we can go by is the information which God has decided to make known. And that is that right after Eve ate, she demonstrated who she decided to obey and she sinned. Now, we can see the gospel in this account as the next thing that happens after Eve (the elect) corrupted herself and sinned, that Adam (who is a figure of Christ and who also knew no sin) became sin by willingly eating as well."

Post #28 "I showed how Eve typifies the bride of Christ in post #24. But if you're looking for a direct statement from the scriptures that state this, that's not how the scriptures have been written. Many believe that David is a type of Christ, yet there is no verse which directly states this, yet it's true because it can be searched out and the parallels can be seen by comparing scripture with scripture. Eve's disobedience reflects on everyone who is part of the bride of Christ. As a mater of fact, God uses Paul (a true believer/bride of Christ) has Paul speak as if though he is in Eve's stead. He does this to show us how each person would have done the same thing as Eve.

Romans 7:7–8 (KJV 1900)
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence (desire/lust). For without the law sin was dead.

When, in the history of the world was sin dead? It was before Adam and Eve sinned. Now, many would say that sin didn't exist before that time, but that's not what the scriptures teach. The scriptures teach that sin was dead, because the law's demand was satisfied by Christ's death before the world began.

Revelation 13:8 (KJV 1900)
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

As we continue to search the Bible, we learn that whenever the Bible talks about Christ bearing sin, that the cross of 33 A.D. is not in view, but rather it's the point of the world's foundation. In other words, Christ died for sin before the world began, and his resurrection from the dead was the foundation of the world.

Job 38:4–7 (KJV 1900)
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest?
Or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened?
Or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Notice how God is tying together the laying of the foundation of the earth, which was Christ atoning work, with the stars singing and the sons of God shouting for joy. Well, verse 7 is a parable which is focusing on the completion of payment for sin from the foundation of the world. Christ's atonement resulted in complete satisfaction of the law on behalf of the elect, the morning stars/ sons of God, to atone for their sins. Singing and joy identify with the victory the elect were given in Christ, from the foundation of the world, by having their sins paid for.

2 Timothy 1:9 (KJV 1900)
Who hath saved us (from our sin), and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in (meaning "through") Christ Jesus before the world began,

Once Christ made payment for our sins by becoming sin (from the foundation of the world), then the law's requirement was satisfied and then sin died. Now, when God created the world upon the foundation of Christ, he could rightfully declare that "everything was very good".

Genesis 1:31 (KJV 1900)
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

So, the question then is, when was God's law in effect? And the answer is that it was always in effect because the law represents God himself and his Word is everlasting.

Revelation 14:6 (KJV 1900)
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

But once Christ met the demands of the everlasting gospel, sin died, and then the world was created without sin. God then began orchestrating the unfolding of his salvation plan, but this time, with mankind there to experience it. And so, for a short time, Adam and Eve lived without the law, for God had not yet revealed it to mankind.

Then, when he did, mankind was to keep that law of not eating from the forbidden tree, but they did not keep the law. And sin, which had been put to death by Christ, revived and mankind died.

God teaches us this by using Paul (who typifies the true believers) and has Paul speak as though he is in the place of Eve. And because Adam typified Christ, Eve therefore, typified the bride of Christ (the elect)."

[JehovahsWitness]

I showed how Eve typifies the bride of Christ in post #24.

...Where is EVE ever explicitly named in connection with the bride of Christ? Name (3) specific aspects of Eve's actions that paralle the bride's.


JW

I'm not sure why you are asking for specific verses that literally link Eve with the bride of Christ ...

I ask what I did because that is all that stands between solid biblical interpretation and the "hermeneutics on steroids" you have been presenting. If we let the bible interpret itself, without taking leaps, bounds and liberties one is morel likely to find biblical truth.

Where is EVE ever explicitly named in connection with the bride of Christ? Name (3) specific aspects of Eve's actions that paralle the bride's.

... you do believe that David is a type of Christ...yet you can't show one verse that literally links them ...

So ... your point seems to be that you cannot provide the scriptural support requested and that it unfair of me to ask you to. (After all it it COULD be done it would not be unreasonable for me to make the request)

[Eddie Ramos]

I showed how Eve typifies the bride of Christ in post #24.

...Where is EVE ever explicitly named in connection with the bride of Christ? Name (3) specific aspects of Eve's actions that paralle the bride's.


JW

I'm not sure why you are asking for specific verses that literally link Eve with the bride of Christ ...

I ask what I did because that is all that stands between solid biblical interpretation and the "hermeneutics on steroids" you have been presenting. If we let the bible interpret itself, without taking leaps, bounds and liberties one is morel likely to find biblical truth.

Where is EVE ever explicitly named in connection with the bride of Christ? Name (3) specific aspects of Eve's actions that paralle the bride's.

... you do believe that David is a type of Christ...yet you can't show one verse that literally links them ...

So ... your point seems to be that you cannot provide the scriptural support requested and that it unfair of me to ask you to. (After all it it COULD be done it would not be unreasonable for me to make the request)

Wow. You do realize that everyone can follow along with previous posts, right? For you to dodge everything I stated and the scriptures I provided (more than once) and focus your response on repeating yourself, does not, in my estimation, make for a productive discussion. You keep using the argument that I cannot provide scriptural support you requested, but it's all there. You may not like what I presented, but it's there for you and everyone to examine and offer correction from the scriptures if necessary. My point in bringing up David typifying Christ was to show that, the same way there is ample scripture to link him to Christ, without a direct verse that literally says, "David represents Christ", yet you accept this information without a direct statement being present. Yet when it comes to Eve typifying the elect/bride of Christ (as I showed from the scriptures), you insist on there being a direct statement in the scriptures before you will accept it as truth. That's what I called a double standard. Nevertheless, we are going in circles now without making any progress in our discussion.

Everything is laid out in the previous posts. If you find something that you would like to specifically address, then I'm more than willing. All I ask is that you don't treat my answers as if though I never gave them in the first place. Thanks.

[William]

Christian: One does not have to be personally instructed by the lawgiver to be guilty of disobedience.

William: One does however, have to be personally instructed on what the law is, before one can be guilty of breaking said law. Show us who gave Eve the instruction on the law - Where ? Chapter and verse.

Christian: The prohibition originated with God, so however Eve's knowledge of the law came about, her disobedience was in direct defiance of the God that issued the prohibition.

William: Show the evidence to support that Eve knew what the law given, was.
Where ? Chapter and verse?

Christian: The text clearly and explicitly depicts Eve as disobeying the law.

William: Show us the script where Eve was convicted by the lawgiver of being disobedient.
Where ? Chapter and verse.

Christian: When Adam defended himself he identified Eve as the one whom God had given...

William: "Whom GOD had given 'what'?
[Incomplete statements are unhelpful]

Christian: There is little doubt they were both aware that YHWH (Jehovah) was the Creator of all things; the universal "Father"and lifegiver.

William: Show us how Eve was made aware that אני זה שאני was the Creator of all things; the universal "Father" and "lifegiver"?
Where ? Chapter and verse.

If what you say can be supported with evidence, I will withdraw my assertions.