The Gospel of Jesus vs the Gospel of Jehovah

[Johan]

Depending on who you "think" the Living God is you have a "Gospel" from Him. And it is a huge problem to many.

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So who is He? Jesus or Jehovah/Yahweh? There can not be 2 Gods. One is a liar. So let us see what Jesus says about "His Gospel". And let us see what Jehovah says about "His Gospel".

A "contest" between the "2 Gods"? Sure. The Living God does not fear it. In fact He Loves it.

Let the Fire Fall! Because the Real God answers in "Fire" and is not scared to be "challenged". In Fact the "challenge belongs to Him. Because the Victory too.

1 Kings 18: 21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.*n5
22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the Lord; but Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men.
23 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:
24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the Lord: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.*n6
25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.*n7*n8*n9
27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.*n10*n11*n12
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.*n13
29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.*n14*n15

30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me.

So what is the Gospel of Jesus? And what is the Gospel of Jehovah?

[Johan]

There are four books in the Bible that is called the "Synoptic Gospel," the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
They narrates the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, that is I believe the "Gospel" or "Good News."
A hope of reconciliation to the Father, believing Jesus sacrifice in faith that can led us to eternal life.

Ok, I think the whole books can be called the Gospel also. However, more accurately I think it is the message Jesus declared.

If you are referring to what Jesus said, about the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms, the Scriptures, that all things were written about Him. That's about the prophecy of the "good news," the Synoptic Gospels was the fulfillment. Same with the "protoevangelium" of Genesis 3:15.

The "good news" that if you worked hard enough Jesus will not punish you, Brother?

[OneJack]

You’re right, how could there be a difference when the Almighty God and Jesus [not the physical body of the Son born of Mary] is the same because Jesus per se is the name of the Almighty God. The Son of God was the vessel (John 14:10-11) of Jesus in coming in the flesh.

Sorry, I don't think God and Jesus are the same.

Why? Have you heard anything from Jesus about Himself? Or if you haven’t yet, have you heard anything from the Father about Himself?

Well according to His "Gospel" he has prepared a very "scary hell" for all who declines from being his slave on earth. Where we have to work hard to build his "expensive brick buildings" where He enjoys being worshiped by all his slaves. And where all are studying "his bible" to know about him as much as possible. And of course his prophets wants their wealth in money for proclaiming his threat of his hell if we don't obey pronto. Where we are their slaves too of course.

If we're saying what we think are spiritual things but we haven't exactly heard and learned from the Lord Jesus, the reality is they're just opinions on the passages we've come across while reading and studying the Bible.

[OneJack]

You’re right, how could there be a difference when the Almighty God and Jesus [not the physical body of the Son born of Mary] is the same because Jesus per se is the name of the Almighty God. The Son of God was the vessel (John 14:10-11) of Jesus in coming in the flesh.

Sorry, I don't think God and Jesus are the same.

I agree with you, Brother. But the point is if there can be a different gospel from them? And if the gospel in the pic is the "Gospel of Jesus" then what is the "Gospel of Jehovah"? Because most think it is the same?

Whoever heard from God the name Jehova, anybody?

[OneJack]

[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

Yep, Brother. That is God's Gospel. Or the Gospel of Jehovah. The Real Gospel. So what is the difference between the Gospel of the Living God, Jehovah, and the "Gospel of Jesus"?...

I don't think there is a difference, because Jesus said what God had commanded him to speak.

You’re right, how could there be a difference when the Almighty God and Jesus [not the physical body of the Son born of Mary] is the same because Jesus per se is the name of the Almighty God. The Son of God was the vessel (John 14:10-11) of Jesus in coming in the flesh.

The point is Brother that you agree with the summary I gave concerning the "Gospel of Jesus" as it is given by the denominations and organizations. You agree that they indeed bring the "gospel" as the pic is saying. And you also have nothing against it meaning it is a summary of your "gospel" too.

Did I agree?

[Capbook]

Yes, the picture portrayed Jesus as knocking, and He had to be opened by believing Jesus' sacrifice in faith Brother Johan.

Ok, Brother. After completely accepting the pic as a good summary of the "Gospel of Jesus" which the denominations and organizations spread everywhere you can now Edify us more on what Jesus is actually saving us from?

If we open our hearts to Jesus by faith, He will saves us from perishing or eternal death the second death.
That is eternal life vs eternal death, destiny to the saved (righteous) and the lost (wicked), our choice matters.

Seems you are saying that the "hell" Jesus is going to enter us in is a "second death", Brother So what is this "hell" Jesus is going to enter everyone into who does not believe in him? What is a "second death" which is so "scary" about the "hell of Jesus" he is threatening us with? To punish us for not believing in him?

The word "hell" bear Strong#G1067, in Greek "γέεννα geenna" defined by Greek-English Lexicon based on Semantic Domain as - a 'place of punishment' or 'place where the dead suffer' or 'place where the dead suffer because of their sins. Those are stated in Revelation 22:15 and Revelation 21:8, the second death.

While those faithful Christians will be blessed that they will have the right to the tree of life. (Rev 22:14)

Mark 9:47  “And R1ifG1437 your eyeG3788 is causingG4624 you toG4624 sinG4624, throwG1544b it awayG1544b; it is betterG2570 for you to enterG1525 the kingdomG932 of GodG2316 with oneG3442 eyeG3442, thanG2228, havingG2192 twoG1417 eyesG3788, to be thrownG1544b into N1 R2hellG1067, 

G1067 (Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament)
γέεννα geenna
is rendered as 'place of punishment' or 'place where the dead suffer' or 'place where the dead suffer because of their sins.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

Rev 22:14  Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates. 
Rev 22:15  Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral persons, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. 
Rev 21:8  "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." 

[1213]

...And it is a very "scary" message of a very scary "hell" he is threatening all who is not working hard for him as his slaves on this planet. To build his churches of worship and pay his prophets for bringing us "his scary" Gospel of his "hell" waiting for all who do not become his slave.

Hmmm... you must have some different Bible than I have.

The Jesus that I know speaks about who is righteous and that righteous will get the eternal life as a gift.

[1213]

...If you are referring to what Jesus said, about ...

Especially about what he said about God's kingdom.

[1213]

You’re right, how could there be a difference when the Almighty God and Jesus [not the physical body of the Son born of Mary] is the same because Jesus per se is the name of the Almighty God. The Son of God was the vessel (John 14:10-11) of Jesus in coming in the flesh.

Sorry, I don't think God and Jesus are the same.

Why?

Because:

How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

[OneJack]

You’re right, how could there be a difference when the Almighty God and Jesus [not the physical body of the Son born of Mary] is the same because Jesus per se is the name of the Almighty God. The Son of God was the vessel (John 14:10-11) of Jesus in coming in the flesh.

Sorry, I don't think God and Jesus are the same.

Why?

Because:

How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

So, what you’re saying is obviously your own opinion on those biblical passages you posted on this forum chat board, do I get you right? You didn’t hear anything yet from the Lord Jesus Christ, did you?

[Johan]

You’re right, how could there be a difference when the Almighty God and Jesus [not the physical body of the Son born of Mary] is the same because Jesus per se is the name of the Almighty God. The Son of God was the vessel (John 14:10-11) of Jesus in coming in the flesh.

Sorry, I don't think God and Jesus are the same.

Why? Have you heard anything from Jesus about Himself? Or if you haven’t yet, have you heard anything from the Father about Himself?

Well according to His "Gospel" he has prepared a very "scary hell" for all who declines from being his slave on earth. Where we have to work hard to build his "expensive brick buildings" where He enjoys being worshiped by all his slaves. And where all are studying "his bible" to know about him as much as possible. And of course his prophets wants their wealth in money for proclaiming his threat of his hell if we don't obey pronto. Where we are their slaves too of course.

If we're saying what we think are spiritual things but we haven't exactly heard and learned from the Lord Jesus, the reality is they're just opinions on the passages we've come across while reading and studying the Bible.

This is admitting that what I gave in Revelation is the Truth about the "Gospel of Jesus". Which is a fear based "gospel of punishment" to "His slaves" who didn't work hard enough for Him, Brother.