The Central Problem with Christianity

[Diogenes]

Jesus (and Paul) thought the world was going to end soon. This is why Jesus told people to give away their possessions, and Paul taught people should not marry. Jesus spoke very specifically about the world ending in the lifetime of those he preached to. [I won't go into the verses, because it will spawn the usual verbal gymnastics about how he did not mean what he said]

Christians, for the most part, ignore the idea of not attaining wealth. They also ignore the admonition not to marry. They ignore these basic Christian teachings because they don't like them. Instead, they claim Jesus didn't really mean what he said about the end coming soon. This provides cover for getting married and accumulating wealth.

The question for debate is, "Why do most Christians marry and try to accumulate wealth despite the very clear New Testament admonitions to do the opposite?

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth
and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal.
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor
rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal.

__ Matthew 6:19-20

[JehovahsWitness]

I have no reason to believe unsubstantiated claims that Jehovah's Witnesses have published teachings and policies that support child sexual abuse..

JW

None of the claims I have presented are unsubstantiated.


Tcg

Did I say they were?


JW

..."strict confidentiality must be maintained to avoid unnecessary entanglement with secular authorities [who may be conducting a criminal investigation of the matter]"

• Are you suggesting that the above sentence amounts to instruction that knowledge of a crime or suspicion of a crime should not be reported to secular authorities?

• Or is it that the elders (who are not law enforcement agents) should not interfere or do anything that might undermine an ongoing investigation?

• From whom is strict confidentiality to be maintained?

• Does the original document specify that parents, for example should not be informed of a crime against a minor?
  
  
  Please provide a reference for the original source of said quotation so a proper understanding of the text can be assertained

FURTHER READING :




What are the published Jehovah's Witnesse Child Protection Policies ? Jehovah's Witnesses' Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection
https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/legal- ... rotection/

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[Tcg]

Did I say they were?

JW

Did you say that they were what exactly? Until you answer this question, I can't answer yours.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

Did I say they were?

JW

Did you say that they were what exactly? Until you answer this question, I can't answer yours.


Tcg

All your questions have been fully answered and I am sure if you read back over the thread you will understand better what exactly was said.



JW

[Tcg]

Did I say they were?

JW

Did you say that they were what exactly? Until you answer this question, I can't answer yours.


Tcg

All you questions have been answered and I am sure if you read back over the thread you will understand better what exactly was said.

JW

The one I asked just previous to this reply hasn't been answered. Care to give it a shot?


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

Then I can but mirror the sentiments below ...

I am under no obligation to answer every question a fellow poster asks. This is especially true when the answers to the questions asked have already been provided.


Tcg

[Tcg]

Then I can but mirror the sentiments below ...

I am under no obligation to answer every question a fellow poster asks. This is especially true when the answers to the questions asked have already been provided.


Tcg

Yes, but in this case, you haven't answered the questions presented.


Tcg

[TRANSPONDER]

Then I can but mirror the sentiments below ...

I am under no obligation to answer every question a fellow poster asks. This is especially true when the answers to the questions asked have already been provided.


Tcg

Yes, but in this case, you haven't answered the questions presented.


Tcg

He has not. He has (1) tried to misdirect the point (by suggesting that the point is that JW teachings encourage sexual predation. They do not (so far as I know) but that is not the point, which is that it happens not just (as was also used as an excuse) no more than anywhere else (one expect a religious organisation to be better than the secular world) but it happens at high level and is covered up at high level, which JW flatly denied and which accusations (you post) have been validated. I can only say I've seen quite a few chats about people who reported about this and claim they were silenced, threatened or expelled.

I rather do the factual claim for Religions rather than point to their backslidings, peccadillos or human failings, but attempts to mislead, evade or deny don't look good.

(1) and of course, this is not 'personal attack' as desperate or dishonest apologists sometimes try to claim, but is critiquing content, apologetic and method. It is no more Personal than pointing up an error in logic or science fact.

[JehovahsWitness]

Yes, but in this case, you haven't answered the questions presented.

In this case neither have you.


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[1213]

1. What does Jesus classify as 'wealth'?
2. Does Jesus consider you 'wealthy', being you likely possess many wants/possessions -- (including electronics, a bank account, etc etc etc)?
3. Why do you continue to seek 'wealth', in spite of Jesus's teachings?
4. Regardless of how much 'wealth' you feel is acceptable to obtain, why not get rid of all your 'wealth' to assure you are in Jesus's good graces?

1. Maybe it is best if readers think for themselves what is the meaning, instead of me defining it. But, by what Jesus says, I think it is not wrong to own things. They just should not be more important than God.
2. I don't think I am good enough to answer on Jesus behalf in this. I don't consider my self wealthy. But, it is interesting idea, how that should be understood. In a way, if I have God, wisdom and love, I think I am very rich.
3. Why do you think I seek wealth?
4. I am not against that people are wealthy. And I don't think Jesus is either. And in a way, i think, if everyone would live by God's rules, everyone would be wealthy, if that means, having a place to live, clothes and food. I don't think getting rid of everything ensures good graces.

But, this leads to interesting question, in my opinion: Which is better, giving up everything I own for 10 people to have food one month, of not giving up that and using it so that 100 people could get food all year?

[JehovahsWitness]

The one I asked just previous to this reply hasn't been answered. Care to give it a shot?


Tcg

The ones I asked (previous to the above) have not been answered. Care to give them a shot?

..."strict confidentiality must be maintained to avoid unnecessary entanglement with secular authorities [who may be conducting a criminal investigation of the matter]"

• Are you suggesting that the above sentence amounts to instruction that knowledge of a crime or suspicion of a crime should not be reported to secular authorities?

• Or is it that the elders (who are not law enforcement agents) should not interfere or do anything that might undermine an ongoing investigation?

• From whom is strict confidentiality to be maintained?

• Does the original document specify that parents, for example should not be informed of a crime against a minor?
  
  
  Please provide a reference for the original source of said quotation so a proper understanding of the text can be assertained