Meek*

[nobspeople]

Psalms 37:11
“But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.”

Is this supposed to be a motivating factor!? Do 'the meek' want to inherit the Earth? Seems it may be more work than it's worth. Unless god 'cleans' up the Earth first (which, with its anger and insecurity issues, it might just do).

For discussion:
What's the benefit of being 'meek' outside of 'planet ownership'?
Do the meek want the Earth?
How does one become and stay 'meek'?


*Thanks to william for the inspiration for the question

[JehovahsWitness]

Is it an assumption on your part that the earth, once populated by the meek, would be without evil or is there a specific biblical reference? And if so, how would that be possible in there is free will (assuming there would not be a 'free will removal' at that point)?

FIRSTLY PLEASE NOTE I make no claims here, I am simply expressing what I believe based on the bible. Please take all sentences to be preceeded by the premise "I believe ..."

Yes free will (as in /meaning The ability to make choices) is an essentially component of being a human being, so yes even in a perfect world free of evil, choices will still be able to be made. When it comes to evil acts the choice will be the following : "Do I choose to comform to Gods righteous standards to not harm others and keep living or do I choose to rebel and have my life immediately terminated?"

ISAIAH 65:20

... For anyone who dies at a hundred will be considered a mere boy and the sinner will be cursed, even though he is a hundred years of age.

What we can be confident about is that God will never again allow wicked people to cause harm for the righteous.

ISAIAH 11:9

They will not cause any harm Or any ruin in all my holy mountain, because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah As the waters cover the sea.

No murders, no wars, no deprivation, no greed, no child abuse. Yes I will be happy, overjoyed to live in a world where neither I nor anyone else will ever ever again have to bear the pain of such things.

I will leave others who have not experienced such horrors to flippantly theorize on why I should not want a world without such evil.





JW

[brunumb]

What we can be confident about is that God will never again allow wicked people to cause harm for the righteous.

One has to wonder why a loving god would ever allow wicked people to cause harm for the righteous.

[nobspeople]

That the bible delights in pleasure with the wicked and evil being eliminated, is terrible.

Can you replace the world "wicked" with child abuser and then repeat your sentence? Child abusers can either change their ways and live or continue to rape babies and be eliminated. Either way, yes, I look forward'to a world without child abusers. Does that seem terrible to you?

Can you replace the world "wicked" with atheist and then repeat your sentence? Atheists can either change their ways and live or continue to shun god and be eliminated. Either way, yes, some can look forward'to a world without ahteists. Does that seem terrible to you?

See how easy it is to make a jump to what one personally considers 'wicked'?

[nobspeople]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #31]

Yes free will (as in /meaning The ability to make choices) is an essentially component of being a human being, so yes even in a perfect world free of evil, choices will still be able to be made. When it comes to evil acts the choice will be the following : "Do I choose to comform to Gods righteous standards to not harm others and keep living or do I choose to rebel and have my life immediately terminated?"

Thanks for the response

I always wondered why do so many christians seek 'termination of life'? It seems they can't simply say 'go away from me'. It speaks to a very violent underlying issue, IMO.

Surely god could simply remove those that don't wish to kiss its rear and that would be punishment enough if god is so great. But no - god insists on the ultimate punishment. Odd for such a said 'loving' god. And christians follow that thinking seemingly blindly.

[Tcg]

That the bible delights in pleasure with the wicked and evil being eliminated, is terrible.

Can you replace the world [sic] "wicked" with child abuser and then repeat your sentence?

One could but unless I overlooked it, Psalm 37 mentions nothing about child abuse.

Would you not agree that someone would deliberately rapes a child for his own selfish pleasure could be classified as wicked? I am applying critical thinking skills and using my powers of deduction to analyse what type of people are being spoken of in the biblical text and come to a reasonable conclusion why if that were the case, it would be appropriate to be happy such people are gone.

The incorrigibly wicked cause harm and pain to others. No loving father would stand by and watch his baby being raped if he could do anything about it and few people would lament a world where such wicked acts no longer exist. So yes there are people that delight in the prospect of a world without that and other such horror in it.

None of this addresses or even attempts to address the issues I've brought up. David got away with adultery and murder and God made his child pay for his father's sins. This is far from a great example on God's part to show concern over child abuse. Killing a baby is pretty much top on the list. David accuses others of being wicked, but overlooks his own crimes/sins. Its not unlike what some religious groups do to protect their chosen leaders.


Tcg

[Tcg]

What we can be confident about is that God will never again allow wicked people to cause harm for the righteous.

Not in this subforum. Perhaps one could make the statement that the Bible makes this claim, but absent verifiable evidence outside of the Bible, one can't be confident about what God will or will not do. Of course, the definition of "righteous" and "wicked" are also up for grabs. As I've already established, some who claim to be righteous are far from it.


Tcg

[nobspeople]

What we can be confident about is that God will never again allow wicked people to cause harm for the righteous.

Not in this subforum. Perhaps one could make the statement that the Bible makes this claim, but absent verifiable evidence outside of the Bible, one can't be confident about what God will or will not do. Of course, the definition of "righteous" and "wicked" are also up for grabs. As I've already established, some who claim to be righteous are far from it.


Tcg

Likewise, I suspect some that are called 'wicked' aren't, as well. Funny how different people with different views and different backgrounds and different biases see things differently, yeah?

[JehovahsWitness]

What we can be confident about is that God will never again allow wicked people to cause harm for the righteous.

Not in this subforum. Perhaps one could make the statement that the Bible makes this claim, but absent verifiable evidence outside of the Bible, one can't be confident about what God will or will not do.


Tcg

My statement is true and accurate: I am completely confident and so are my spiritual brothers and sisters with whom I have discussed the matter. Thus *we* are indeed completely confident. I was no aware that one cannot make true and accurate statements in this forum; do point me to that particular clause in the guidelines.

[William]

Eek! A freak!
The meek's a geek!
In code he speaks!
His body's weak
His mind is peak
and does not leak
Control he seeks
Beneath he peeks
Mathematics seeks
Oil's squeaks
Above critique
No future's bleak
Near complete
The data heap
Yay the geeky meek!

[JehovahsWitness]

Can you replace the world "wicked" with atheist and then repeat your sentence?

No. Atheist are in my opinion simply victims of ignorance or erroneous reasoning. Neither of which are terminal.


JW

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