Faith Heaing?

[POI]

This thread is a spin-off for the already created topic "Prayer"....

The Bible instructs that God grants prayer requests - i.e. (Matthew 7:7), (Matthew 21:22), (Mark 11:24), (John 14:13-14), and (John 16:23); to name a few....

Let's assume the provided faith healer is genuine, and is a true believer. Many faith healers travel from place to place, and apparently offer cures for many, or at least claim to...

Why won't the faith healers ever seem to bother trying to pray for the regrowth of an amputated limb, or pray for the removal of someone's cerebral palsy, or pray for someone's child to no longer have downs syndrome? Or do they? And when they do, do they already know God will not answer the call, as instructed in the Bible?

Or is it because:

A. The faith healer knows God does not cure these particular conditions, and hence, the faith healer does not bother praying for the removal of them? Which begs the follow up question; why does the faith healer know this?
B. The faith healer does pray for the reversal of these conditions, and when these conditions always perpetually continue, the faith healer states "God has not answered (yet)"; even though the unfortunate recipients of these conditions will die with these conditions?
C. Faith healers know, deep down, they are a fraud, and are doing this for other reasons?
D. Other?

In line with Scripture, it seems to me quite odd that God is claimed to answer prayer, time and time again, but always skips over amputees, cerebral palsy, and downs syndrome.?.?.?.?

[POI]

The Bible also states Matthew 7:7, Matthew 21:22, Mark 11:24, John 14:13-14, John 16:23, etc. Are such Scriptures no longer applicable to this modern era?

They do apply, but none of them guarantee miraculous "faith healings".

But the Bible kind of does "guarantee miraculous "faith healings":

- Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall bask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
- Mark 11:24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
- John 14:13-14 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

1. Your only defense here, seems to be that all "faith healers" are not true believers. Is this your position? If not, what might it be?

Even if the faith healer was not genuine, the one being prayed for might be. And hence, the prayer request can still be applied by God.

You stated "The bible indicates however that our modern era is not Gods time for such spectacular miracles so godly prayers would reflect a willingness to accept this."

2. Can you please cite Chapter and Verse, as to why you believe "our modern era is not Gods time for such spectacular miracles"?

I hear crickets.

[POI]

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Why does God skip over, 100% of the time, requests to restore amputated limbs, requests to remove cerebral palsy, and requests to remove downs syndrome?...

Sorry, I have no proof God has skipped them 100 % of time every time.

If God doesn’t fulfill every request, I believe there is a good reason for it, even if I don’t know at the moment the reason.

Interesting question is, if God allows persons to lose a limb, why would He then replace it instantly? Maybe, if God wants us to have limbs, we have them and don’t lose them. And if we lose, maybe there is some good reason for it.

Patiently awaiting a response to post #23...

Thank you kindly!

[JoeyKnothead]

If faith healing were so reliable, all them died from the faith covid wouldn't kill em, well how bout that.

"Mask are boo! Vaccines are boo!"

"In this wretched time, we do ask y'all'll all y'all pray to your best that'n there doesn't get killed by the covid, or from their folly bout it".

Faith is to cure as prayer is to reality.

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...Patiently awaiting a response to post #23...

No. You do not get off that easy Yes we do have proof this has not happened. We do not have one example of amputees, CP, or downs syndrome; but we have 1,000s', if not 1,000.000's, of examples of God healing cancer.

It seems to me that you don’t understand the concept of proof. If you don’t know any example of something, it does not mean there has never been any example of it. Even if I can’t give an example of something, it does not mean there can’t or has never been a such example.

If God exists, and answers prayer, why is His answer ALWAYS (no) to these (3) conditions…

I have no reason to believe that “His answer ALWAYS…”.

Then PLEASE pray for God to reveal this reason to you, so you can tell me. Or does He not want to you know the reason either?

I think that would be same as asking from you, “why have you not stopped beating your wife?”. Biased and loaded question. I think it would be stupid to ask it from God.

So your 'argument' is that the ones who loose limbs, or are born with downs syndrome, or with cerebral palsy, are the intent of God to remain this way? And the ones who pray to no longer be that way, are being hasty and foolish; as it goes against God's will?

No.

[POI]

...Patiently awaiting a response to post #23...

No. You do not get off that easy Yes we do have proof this has not happened. We do not have one example of amputees, CP, or downs syndrome; but we have 1,000s', if not 1,000.000's, of examples of God healing cancer.

It seems to me that you don’t understand the concept of proof. If you don’t know any example of something, it does not mean there has never been any example of it. Even if I can’t give an example of something, it does not mean there can’t or has never been a such example.

Trust me, I'm completely aware of what you are saying. "Just because we do not have an example, does not mean it has or will never happen." But please address my point.... Faith healers seem to cure all kinds of physical deficiencies. And since these faith healings are apparently happening quite regularly, and on a daily basis practically, you do not find it odd or suspicious that these three conditions are perpetually skipped?

Is it because:

1. The people who pray, know not to pray for these three conditions?
2. God always says no to these three conditions?
3. God has answered yes to some of these requests, but no one has any verifiable example(s)?
4. Other?

The reason I ask, is because my uncle has CP. 30+ years of prayers have apparently gone unanswered?

If God exists, and answers prayer, why is His answer ALWAYS (no) to these (3) conditions…

I have no reason to believe that “His answer ALWAYS…”.

Great, can you find me one example of restored CP, downs, or amputees? Maybe He did so 200 years ago, but chooses not to recently/now/future?

I would imagine if these requests were ever answered by God, someone would be chomping at the bit to share this miraculous news?

Then PLEASE pray for God to reveal this reason to you, so you can tell me. Or does He not want to you know the reason either?

I think that would be same as asking from you, “why have you not stopped beating your wife?”. Biased and loaded question. I think it would be stupid to ask it from God.

You have provided a false analogy. I'm not asking a loaded question. I'm asking you to ask God a question. Does God speak to you ever? This is a yes or no question. Since when is asking God a simple and straight forward question 'stupid'? What is the reason He does not seem to fulfill prayer requests of amputees, CP, and downs? Is this God's secret?

So your 'argument' is that the ones who loose limbs, or are born with downs syndrome, or with cerebral palsy, are the intent of God to remain this way? And the ones who pray to no longer be that way, are being hasty and foolish; as it goes against God's will?

No.

Then what is your explanation precisely?

[1213]

…Faith healers seem to cure all kinds of physical deficiencies. And since these faith healings are apparently happening quite regularly, and on a daily basis practically, you do not find it odd or suspicious that these three conditions are perpetually skipped?

Is it because:

1. The people who pray, know not to pray for these three conditions?
2. God always says no to these three conditions?
3. God has answered yes to some of these requests, but no one has any verifiable example(s)?
4. Other?

Sorry, not enough knowledge to answer to that.

The reason I ask, is because my uncle has CP. 30+ years of prayers have apparently gone unanswered?...

Is there any proof, who and what has been really prayed?

Great, can you find me one example of restored CP, downs, or amputees? Maybe He did so 200 years ago, but chooses not to recently/now/future?

Sorry, I have not enough information to answer to that.

...What is the reason He does not seem to fulfill prayer requests of amputees, CP, and downs? ...

I would guess the reason why you don’t see is that you don’t look everywhere and every time.

[POI]

…Faith healers seem to cure all kinds of physical deficiencies. And since these faith healings are apparently happening quite regularly, and on a daily basis practically, you do not find it odd or suspicious that these three conditions are perpetually skipped?

Is it because:

1. The people who pray, know not to pray for these three conditions?
2. God always says no to these three conditions?
3. God has answered yes to some of these requests, but no one has any verifiable example(s)?
4. Other?

Sorry, not enough knowledge to answer to that.

Okay, then let's back up a bit... Does God ever answer the call to intercessory and/or petitionary prayer requests for healing/restoration/reversal? The Bible states He does. Do you agree? If you agree, then this means these three conditions are on the table for request, right?

The reason I ask, is because my uncle has CP. 30+ years of prayers have apparently gone unanswered?...

Is there any proof, who and what has been really prayed?

Okay, sounds like, in a back-handed sort of way, you are questioning how genuine I am. I tell you what. You can convert me today to Christianity.

I would assume you have prayed for others before? Assuming this answer is yes, please pray for my uncle to no longer have CP, so He can enjoy the activities he desperately wants to continue. If his CP goes away, I will have you and God to thank alone, since I have not asked anyone else to pray for him in a long time. If the prayer goes unfulfilled, then I ask you some of the same questions listed above:

Is your prayer request not working because:

1. You know not to pray for CP reversal?
2. God always says no to this request?
3. Other?

Great, can you find me one example of restored CP, downs, or amputees? Maybe He did so 200 years ago, but chooses not to recently/now/future?

Sorry, I have not enough information to answer to that.

Well, you have google, right? You also have immediate global access to all kinds of claims, right? Don't you find it odd that not one seemingly legitimate proof has been provided for the reversal of CP, downs, or amputees? All the while, we have countless 'cures' for other conditions?

It's never dawned on you that maybe, just maybe, God either does not answer the call to prayer. Or, maybe there is no god to answer prayer at all; and all seemingly answered prayer have alternative explanations?

...What is the reason He does not seem to fulfill prayer requests of amputees, CP, and downs? ...

I would guess the reason why you don’t see is that you don’t look everywhere and every time.

I've looked as much as I can. And now, you care not to now. Which seems quite vexing, being that you are engaging here in this thread. Again, look for acclaimed cancer cures, by prayer, and you will have an abundance. Why is He seemingly ignoring these three conditions? If a Christian had proof to one of these, it would likely be easily known and accessible, right? Just like the countless cancer claims....

And you never offered final clarification? Seems as though, in one of your prior responses, that you alluded to God not granting requests for CP, downs, and amputees, because He wants them to remain that way. Is this not what you meant? If not, please clarify?

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...What is the reason He does not seem to fulfill prayer requests of amputees, CP, and downs? ...

I would guess the reason why you don’t see is that you don’t look everywhere and every time.

Do you honestly believe that had such cures ever actually occurred the events would not have been publicised? Firstly, such cures would be so extraordinary that it would be impossible for people not to talk about it and spread the word. Secondly, Christians would instantly latch on to such news and use it to proclaim the power of prayer and the truth behind their religion. The scientific community would also be drawn into the issue because it would be so contrary to what we currently understand as possible. In the instance absence of evidence must surely be regarded as evidence of absence. Such cures have not been demonstrated, with or without prayer.

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...Do you honestly believe that had such cures ever actually occurred the events would not have been publicised? Firstly, such cures would be so extraordinary that it would be impossible for people not to talk about it and spread the word....

I think that is the reason why we have the Bible:

the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have good news preached to them.
Matt. 11:5

But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins..." (then he said to the paralytic), "Get up, and take up your mat, and go up to your house."
Matt. 9:6

[POI]

...Do you honestly believe that had such cures ever actually occurred the events would not have been publicised? Firstly, such cures would be so extraordinary that it would be impossible for people not to talk about it and spread the word....

I think that is the reason why we have the Bible:

the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have good news preached to them.
Matt. 11:5

But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins..." (then he said to the paralytic), "Get up, and take up your mat, and go up to your house."
Matt. 9:6

Were you planning on addressing post #47 at some point?