Faith Heaing?

[POI]

This thread is a spin-off for the already created topic "Prayer"....

The Bible instructs that God grants prayer requests - i.e. (Matthew 7:7), (Matthew 21:22), (Mark 11:24), (John 14:13-14), and (John 16:23); to name a few....

Let's assume the provided faith healer is genuine, and is a true believer. Many faith healers travel from place to place, and apparently offer cures for many, or at least claim to...

Why won't the faith healers ever seem to bother trying to pray for the regrowth of an amputated limb, or pray for the removal of someone's cerebral palsy, or pray for someone's child to no longer have downs syndrome? Or do they? And when they do, do they already know God will not answer the call, as instructed in the Bible?

Or is it because:

A. The faith healer knows God does not cure these particular conditions, and hence, the faith healer does not bother praying for the removal of them? Which begs the follow up question; why does the faith healer know this?
B. The faith healer does pray for the reversal of these conditions, and when these conditions always perpetually continue, the faith healer states "God has not answered (yet)"; even though the unfortunate recipients of these conditions will die with these conditions?
C. Faith healers know, deep down, they are a fraud, and are doing this for other reasons?
D. Other?

In line with Scripture, it seems to me quite odd that God is claimed to answer prayer, time and time again, but always skips over amputees, cerebral palsy, and downs syndrome.?.?.?.?

[JoeyKnothead]

Sorry, I dont think I have said that. I think I have said, even if supernatural, person can claim that it is really something else. Person who doesnt want to believe in God, can always say there is some other reason, even if God would have really done it.

Just as the person who believes in God can say he's how come we got rainbows, no matter our understanding of the refractive properties of light.

Faith healing can't be shown to be a reliable alternative to sound, established medical practices.

Pickin'-n-choosin' is what christianity so attractive to some. You can hate and hide behind love, be right even in the light of inexcusable morality and justify just about anything, so long as it's OK'd by the bible: slavery, stoning, divorce under the right circumstances....et al.
But remember, with God all things are possible Matthew 19:26
jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
So I guess these faith healers either aren't tuned into God when they can't grow back a missing limb, for example, or are charlatans.
Six of one....

Very much.

God doesn't heal those who don't pray.

Nor those who don't pray enough.

Nor hard enough.

Nor long enough.

Nor right enough.

[JoeyKnothead]

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Why does God skip over, 100% of the time, requests to restore amputated limbs, requests to remove cerebral palsy, and requests to remove downs syndrome?...

Sorry, I have no proof God has skipped them 100 % of time every time.

I'd be impressed if ya could show God healed him someone just one time.

If God doesnt fulfill every request, I believe there is a good reason for it, even if I dont know at the moment the reason.

Maybe the reason's because there ain't a god there to do it.

Interesting question is, if God allows persons to lose a limb, why would He then replace it instantly? Maybe, God wants us to have limbs, we have them and dont lose them. And if we lose, maybe there is some good reason for it.

Maybe he don't want us to have limbs, and all us who have em are in direct defiance of his wishes?

[POI]

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Why does God skip over, 100% of the time, requests to restore amputated limbs, requests to remove cerebral palsy, and requests to remove downs syndrome?...

Sorry, I have no proof God has skipped them 100 % of time every time.

No. You do not get off that easy Yes we do have proof this has not happened. We do not have one example of amputees, CP, or downs syndrome; but we have 1,000s', if not 1,000.000's, of examples of God healing cancer.

If God exists, and answers prayer, why is His answer ALWAYS (no) to these (3) conditions? If He sometimes answers yes to prayer, then the number of amputees, CP, and downs syndrome would be higher than ZERO

If God doesnt fulfill every request, I believe there is a good reason for it, even if I dont know at the moment the reason.

Then PLEASE pray for God to reveal this reason to you, so you can tell me. Or does He not want to you know the reason either?

Interesting question is, if God allows persons to lose a limb, why would He then replace it instantly? Maybe, if God wants us to have limbs, we have them and dont lose them. And if we lose, maybe there is some good reason for it.

That's funny, because how are people getting cancer, for which people say God also healed?

So your 'argument' is that the ones who loose limbs, or are born with downs syndrome, or with cerebral palsy, are the intent of God to remain this way? And the ones who pray to no longer be that way, are being hasty and foolish; as it goes against God's will?

[OnceConvinced]

Even you have pointed out it is pretty much impossible to tell the difference between a natural outcome vs a supernatural outcome....

Sorry, I dont think I have said that. I think I have said, even if supernatural, person can claim that it is really something else. Person who doesnt want to believe in God, can always say there is some other reason, even if God would have really done it.

On this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38507&start=10
Post 18.

Here it is, copied and pasted:

Let me ask you another question. If you have an apparent answered prayer, how do you determine whether it's as a result of something natural or a result of something supernatural?

Maybe it cant be known. I say I believe; it is enough for me.

Do you deny you posted this? It's there for all to see.

[OnceConvinced]

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Why does God skip over, 100% of the time, requests to restore amputated limbs, requests to remove cerebral palsy, and requests to remove downs syndrome?...

Sorry, I have no proof God has skipped them 100 % of time every time.

Can you even point to one instance where a god has done those things?

If God doesnt fulfill every request, I believe there is a good reason for it, even if I dont know at the moment the reason.

Seems to me the most likely reason is he doesn't exist.

Interesting question is, if God allows persons to lose a limb, why would He then replace it instantly? Maybe, if God wants us to have limbs, we have them and dont lose them. And if we lose, maybe there is some good reason for it.

There's always an excuse for unanswered prayer, isn't there? But yet, there are still people who insist that God jumps through hoops for them regularly, even for the most trivial matters.

My best friend is a committed Christian. When he was younger he had a motor vehicle accident which damaged his lower arm. For years he suffered pain and had multiple surgeries which only made things worse. He prayed and prayed and prayed for God to heal him. It just got worse and it caused him so much pain. He became pretty much disabled so elected to have his lower arm amputated. For the last 20 years he has lived with an amputated arm, but yet, despite his faith and his continued belief and love for Jesus, his arm remains a stump.

We can always make up some excuse why God, if he exists, didn't heal him, can't we? Conjure up some reason. But that doesn't mean those excuses or reasons hold any water.

[POI]

1213 Are you going to address post #23?

[POI]

I'm giving this thread a bump. I would really like a response to post #23. If faith healing is REALLY a thing, then why do faith healers never aid in the successful restoration of amputated limbs, or pray towards the successful reversal of anyone's cerebral palsy, or pray to successfully remove someone's down's syndrome?

Thus far, it has been left off that God's will is for these individuals to retain these conditions indefinitely. Hence, God will never fulfill such prayer requests to reverse them. Is this the final answer? If it is, then prayer seems completely worthless... If a prayer is only answered, according to God's already predetermined will for that person, then your prayers are not ever actually answered, unless He was going to do something for you anyways.

Does this mean that if one should decide to pray for one of these three conditions, they are completely wasting their time???

[nobspeople]

[Replying to POI in post #28]

If faith healing is REALLY a thing, then why do faith healers never aid in the successful restoration of amputated limbs, or pray towards the successful reversal of anyone's cerebral palsy, or pray to successfully remove someone's down's syndrome?/quote] Because it's a shame. These people prey on those with hope (and money). I've known a couple personally (they made out like a bandit on an occasion or two) and one or two from other people. Look enough and you'll find 'plants' in the audience that claim 'healing' (though nothing like amputees).

If a prayer is only answered, according to God's already predetermined will for that person, then your prayers are not ever actually answered

Which christians hate to admit. And won't, many times. Excuses and avoidance. All very telling. But it's an important and good point to make: if god doesn't answer prayers unless they fit his predetermined will, they're mostly pointless (some studies have shown praying is beneficial to the person even if nothing comes of it - though I've seen studies saying the exact opposite so....?).
I was always told god does answer prayers. It's either YES, NO or WAIT. Yet another excuse

[brunumb]

I was always told god does answer prayers. It's either YES, NO or WAIT.

My pet rock does exactly the same thing. Never fails. Of course it's handy when the answers cover all possibilities and you can attribute the outcome of your prayer to any source you want.

[nobspeople]

I was always told god does answer prayers. It's either YES, NO or WAIT.

My pet rock does exactly the same thing. Never fails. Of course it's handy when the answers cover all possibilities and you can attribute the outcome of your prayer to any source you want.

Exactly.
And about your pet rock: at least it's there where you can see and experience it. It doesn't hide, play coy or offer riddles that cause more questions. Oh, and it doesn't condemn you to Hell for simply not believing in it.
Pet rocks: We should all have one.