Many failed predictions of Jesus return..

[Elijah John]

Matthew 16:27-28 New International Version (NIV)

27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Fathers glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
28 Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

There have been many failed predictions of the "2nd coming of Christ". Most notably, Charles Taze Russell who predicted Jesus would return in 1914. When he didn't return, the prediction was revised to mean an "invisible return".

For debate, in light of the quoted passage from Matthew, was Jesus the first person to mistakenly predict his return?

How is Jesus prediction different from any of the others who have mistakenly predicted the time of his return?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 57 by alexxcJRO]

If someone today came to you and talk to you about his imaginary friend: an entity from dimension 7.
About how he sees him and hears him vividly.
That was chosen by this entity because he was special(has some weird anomaly in his brain that makes him suitable to talk to beings from dimentsion 7) to warn humanity of an impending danger that is heading our way: a malevolent conglomerat of alien species is coming to earth with nefarius goals in mind.
And he is very disorganized in speech or thinking(rapidly switching topics, called derailment or loose association; switching to topics that are unrelated, called tangental thinking).

Q: Would you think for a second he is mentally ill? Would a psychiatrist suspect he probably is suffering from a psychotic disorder?

If is a big word with much potential but little value or relevance.

Do you even remember the reason we began our exchange?

I do, and it is a far cry from your latest effort.

Let's get back to square one or call it a day.

[Checkpoint]

I could do the same and come to very different conclusions, not by using logic but by evaluating the opinions and reactions of those in his day...

Sure you could. All you'd have to do is provide documents written during the time he supposedly lived. All this would take is providing documents no one before you has presented. So please, share this secret stash with us.

Madman or genius, or neither, but something else entirely?

Sure. It's got to be one of those given that "something else entirely" covers everything madman or genius doesn't. "Something else entirely" covers "nothing but pure mythology", so this covers my bet.

Your bet?

Secret stash?

Talk about mythology....

Oh, I get it. You can't present anything to support your claim. This is familiar territory.

What claim have I made that in your opinion I "can't present anything to support" it?

[1213]

Verse 27 and 28 are linked, in the same paragraph. Same paragraph, same topic.

But Jesus says only, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom, not some who are standing here will see the angels. I dont see why sentences before the 28 should be related to it.

Right. Why take things in context?

So, dont . (period/dot) have any meaning to you? Where do we draw the line, does Matt. 16:28 include also Matt. 1:1, why not?

[For_The_Kingdom]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

Russell and all Jehovah's witnesses believe Jesus did indeed return but invisibly.

Sure, Jesus returned, but invisibly. This is just a pathetic attempt to cover up the fact that this was indeed a failed prophecy. The problem with Jehovah's Witnesses was/is, they decided that they wanted to be so bold, that they would start to give specific dates as it relates to Biblical prophecies.

The problem with that is simple; when you start to give specific dates and times, when the time comes to past and nothing happens, you will look silly and more detrimental, you will begin to look like a false prophet...which is something that God warned us about..

Deut 18:22 "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed."

And what the God spoke about is exactly what happened, Charles T. Russel, the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses (WTS), made a false prophecy, so we can be sure that he spoke presumptuously, and was not of the Lord.

And why should we have believed him anyway in this regard, when the Bible clearly states..Acts 1:9-11

9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

10They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11Men of Galilee, they said, why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.

Now, I don't know what part of that Charles T. Russell didn't understand, or what part of that the WTS don't understand.

There is/was never an "invisible" return, and to think otherwise is a lie in the face of true Biblical Scriptures.

[Tcg]

I could do the same and come to very different conclusions, not by using logic but by evaluating the opinions and reactions of those in his day...

Sure you could. All you'd have to do is provide documents written during the time he supposedly lived. All this would take is providing documents no one before you has presented. So please, share this secret stash with us.

Madman or genius, or neither, but something else entirely?

Sure. It's got to be one of those given that "something else entirely" covers everything madman or genius doesn't. "Something else entirely" covers "nothing but pure mythology", so this covers my bet.

Your bet?

Secret stash?

Talk about mythology....

Oh, I get it. You can't present anything to support your claim. This is familiar territory.

What claim have I made that in your opinion I "can't present anything to support" it?

There is no mystery here, Checkpoint. You included your claim at the top of your post. In fact, it is the very same claim I've included at the top of this post.

[imhereforyou]

Seems saying "many" have failed would indicate, at least some, have succeeded.
Has anyone been successful?

[Checkpoint]

I could do the same and come to very different conclusions, not by using logic but by evaluating the opinions and reactions of those in his day...

Sure you could. All you'd have to do is provide documents written during the time he supposedly lived. All this would take is providing documents no one before you has presented. So please, share this secret stash with us.

Madman or genius, or neither, but something else entirely?

Sure. It's got to be one of those given that "something else entirely" covers everything madman or genius doesn't. "Something else entirely" covers "nothing but pure mythology", so this covers my bet.

Your bet?

Secret stash?

Talk about mythology....

Oh, I get it. You can't present anything to support your claim. This is familiar territory.

What claim have I made that in your opinion I "can't present anything to support" it?

There is no mystery here, Checkpoint. You included your claim at the top of your post. In fact, it is the very same claim I've included at the top of this post.

And what did you post, Tcg, about your response to my "claim"?

You tried to set rules and indicated you had already made up your mind by dismissing it in advance.

Claims about Jesus' mental state or verbal abilities or their lack are tiresome and pointless diversions.

In this thread most posters have focused on Matthew 16:27-28.

Prophecy failure or not?

[alexxcJRO]

If is a big word with much potential but little value or relevance.

Do you even remember the reason we began our exchange?

I do, and it is a far cry from your latest effort.

Let's get back to square one or call it a day.

Please don't ignore dear sir. It looks really bad.

Here again:

If someone today came to you and talk to you about his imaginary friend: an entity from dimension 7.
About how he sees him and hears him vividly.
That was chosen by this entity because he was special(has some weird anomaly in his brain that makes him suitable to talk to beings from dimentsion 7) to warn humanity of an impending danger that is heading our way: a malevolent conglomerat of alien species is coming to earth with nefarius goals in mind.
And he is very disorganized in speech or thinking(rapidly switching topics, called derailment or loose association; switching to topics that are unrelated, called tangental thinking).

Q: Would you think for a second he is mentally ill? Would a psychiatrist suspect he probably is suffering from a psychotic disorder?

Answer the question please.

[Checkpoint]

If is a big word with much potential but little value or relevance.

Do you even remember the reason we began our exchange?

I do, and it is a far cry from your latest effort.

Let's get back to square one or call it a day.

Please don't ignore dear sir. It looks really bad.

Here again:

If someone today came to you and talk to you about his imaginary friend: an entity from dimension 7.
About how he sees him and hears him vividly.
That was chosen by this entity because he was special(has some weird anomaly in his brain that makes him suitable to talk to beings from dimentsion 7) to warn humanity of an impending danger that is heading our way: a malevolent conglomerat of alien species is coming to earth with nefarius goals in mind.
And he is very disorganized in speech or thinking(rapidly switching topics, called derailment or loose association; switching to topics that are unrelated, called tangental thinking).

Q: Would you think for a second he is mentally ill? Would a psychiatrist suspect he probably is suffering from a psychotic disorder?

Answer the question please.

O course I ignore your assumptions and leading statements, and the question you posed from those.

Your opinions as re-expressed look doubly bad to me, as I do not even begin to share them.

They are not what this thread is about.

For debate, in light of the quoted passage from Matthew, was Jesus the first person to mistakenly predict his return?
]
How is Jesus prediction different from any of the others who have mistakenly predicted the time of his return?

[alexxcJRO]

If is a big word with much potential but little value or relevance.

Do you even remember the reason we began our exchange?

I do, and it is a far cry from your latest effort.

Let's get back to square one or call it a day.

Please don't ignore dear sir. It looks really bad.

Here again:

If someone today came to you and talk to you about his imaginary friend: an entity from dimension 7.
About how he sees him and hears him vividly.
That was chosen by this entity because he was special(has some weird anomaly in his brain that makes him suitable to talk to beings from dimentsion 7) to warn humanity of an impending danger that is heading our way: a malevolent conglomerat of alien species is coming to earth with nefarius goals in mind.
And he is very disorganized in speech or thinking(rapidly switching topics, called derailment or loose association; switching to topics that are unrelated, called tangental thinking).

Q: Would you think for a second he is mentally ill? Would a psychiatrist suspect he probably is suffering from a psychotic disorder?

Answer the question please.

O course I ignore your assumptions and leading statements, and the question you posed from those.

Your opinions as re-expressed look doubly bad to me, as I do not even begin to share them.

They are not what this thread is about.

For debate, in light of the quoted passage from Matthew, was Jesus the first person to mistakenly predict his return?
]
How is Jesus prediction different from any of the others who have mistakenly predicted the time of his return?

Just saying my argument is bad, it look doubly bad does not make it so. You have to prove this dear sir.
In correct and honest debate one has to bring a contra-argument, refute the opponents argument.
Just ignoring my points, argument looks really bad I am afraid.