Is there such a thing as a dogmatic atheist?

[EarthScienceguy]

A dogmatic atheist flatly denies that there is a Divine Being.
A skeptical atheist doubts the ability of the human mind to determine, whether or not there is a God.
A critical atheist maintains that there is no valid proof for the existence of God.

Especially with the state that cosmology is in. I maintain that it is impossible for anyone to be a dogmatic atheist. If you think you are a dogmatic atheist then you must answer the question of what was there before this universe came into existence.

Question for debate: Is there such a thing as a dogmatic atheist?

[JoeyKnothead]

If you want to imagine things and then believe them that is up to you.

Says the bible believer

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #58]

We know enough for it to be reasonably assumed that the stories told were based off of a real character or characters. We really don't know what you think we do about Jesus. Heck, we don't even know who wrote the gospels, nor how much after Jesus's death they were written. It is truly a shame that the Jesus character(s) didn't write anything down himself though.

Do you have any historians that agree with you? Or do you just make this stuff up?

Let me know when you have a historian that agrees with you on your opinions.

I could have a look if you wanted, but I am sure I have seen a lot of historians wrote books crediting a real Jesus but interpreting his doings (while accepting his sayings as valid). Like a reform Rabbi if not a divine being. I believe that historians also generally accept that the attributions of the gospels are convenient, but not to be relied on. And I can't believe that any historians - even Christian ones - argue that Jesus wrote anything that we have today.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #61]

Says the bible believer

Says the materialist. If you do not like what I am saying just think about something else. Because materialism cannot account for any type of objective reality. We are all just figments of your imagination according to materialism.

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #61]

Says the bible believer

Says the materialist. If you do not like what I am saying just think about something else.

Another Christian who prefers their claims and ideas go unchallenged?

Some of you guys vote, hoping to infect laws with your peculiar brand of theocracy. I consider it a civic duty to point out the nature of your ideas and claims.

Because materialism cannot account for any type of objective reality.

Because claiming human / god hybrids die for three days then hop up and fetch groceries is supposed to reflect reality?

We are all just figments of your imagination according to materialism.

As Gods are for the theist.

It's a sad amusement to see a theist carry on about "objective reality" when their fanciful, farcical god claims don't even reflect it.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #64]

Because materialism cannot account for any type of objective reality.

Because claiming human / god hybrids die for three days then hop up and fetch groceries is supposed to reflect reality?

Evidence from historians that your statement is true. I do not think you can. Keep searching.

We are all just figments of your imagination according to materialism.
As Gods are for the theist.

No, the theist would believe that God is real. It would be the materialist that would believe that they are imagination. Just like everything else that they see would be part of their imagination according to their belief system.

It's a sad amusement to see a theist carry on about "objective reality" when their fanciful, farcical god claims don't even reflect it.

Yes, it is because the rest of us are nothing more than figments of your imagination according to your belief system.

[JoeyKnothead]

Because claiming human / god hybrids die for three days then hop up and fetch groceries is supposed to reflect reality?

Evidence from historians that your statement is true. I do not think you can. Keep searching.

For them unaware, a question is not a claim, but a seeking of data.

Where has one historian ever put truth to the claim that Jesus rose from the dead? Never. Because historians rely on the hearsay testimonies of folks who can't be cross examined as to the veracity of their claims, or soundness of their minds.

We are all just figments of your imagination according to materialism.

As Gods are for the theist.

No, the theist would believe that God is real.

While being incapable of showing their belief reflects reality.

It would be the materialist that would believe that they are imagination. Just like everything else that they see would be part of their imagination according to their belief system.

That doesn't absolve the theist for their unfounded take on things.

It's a sad amusement to see a theist carry on about "objective reality" when their fanciful, farcical god claims don't even reflect it.

Yes, it is because the rest of us are nothing more than figments of your imagination according to your belief system.

This is hilarious, how you fuss about the imaginations of the belief systems of others, while trying to contend your belief system ain't just your imagination.

So please, show us all how we can confirm your god ain't a figment of your imagination.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #66]

So please, show us all how we can confirm your god ain't a figment of your imagination.

I have on many occasions 12 historical facts that most historians believe about Jesus. That proves that He was raised from the dead.

Jesus died by Roman crucifixion.
He was buried, most likely in a private tomb.
Soon afterward, the disciples were discouraged, bereaved, and despondent, having lost hope.
Jesus’ tomb was found empty very soon after his interment.
The disciples had experiences that they believed were actual appearances of the risen Jesus.
Due to these experiences, the disciples’ lives were thoroughly transformed, even being willing to die for this belief.
The proclamation of the resurrection took place very early, at the beginning of church history.
The disciples’ public testimony and preaching of the resurrection took place in the city of Jerusalem, where Jesus had been crucified and buried shortly before.
The Gospel message centered on the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Sunday was the primary day for gathering and worshipping.
James, the brother of Jesus and former skeptic, was converted when, he believed, he saw the risen Jesus.
Just a few years later, Saul of Tarsus (Paul) became a Christian believer due to an experience that he believed was an appearance of the risen Jesus.”[1]

[Miles]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #66]

So please, show us all how we can confirm your god ain't a figment of your imagination.

I have on many occasions 12 historical facts that most historians believe about Jesus. That proves that He was raised from the dead.

Jesus died by Roman crucifixion.
.
.
.
Just a few years later, Saul of Tarsus (Paul) became a Christian believer due to an experience that he believed was an appearance of the risen Jesus.”[1]

No! At most unbiased historians would, in effect, say "This is what has been claimed," or "This is what is believed." What you have quoted are not historical facts for the simple reason they remain unverified.

.

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #66]

So please, show us all how we can confirm your god ain't a figment of your imagination.

I have on many occasions 12 historical facts that most historians believe about Jesus. That proves that He was raised from the dead.

That historians believe something does not establish fact, but lets continue...

Jesus died by Roman crucifixion.
He was buried, most likely in a private tomb.
Soon afterward, the disciples were discouraged, bereaved, and despondent, having lost hope.

Nothing to fuss about here, as long as we consider Jesus just another itinerant preacher.

Jesus’ tomb was found empty very soon after his interment.

Now we gotta confirm if he was ever placed there. On top of that, we need to cross examine all involved in this allegement.

The disciples had experiences that they believed were actual appearances of the risen Jesus.

Hearsay testimony by 'witnesses', anonymous or otherwise, do not establish fact.

Due to these experiences, the disciples’ lives were thoroughly transformed, even being willing to die for this belief.

A willingness to die for one's beliefs does not establish fact.

The proclamation of the resurrection took place very early, at the beginning of church history.

I don't see the relevance here. Jesus would have to come along before he could be worshipped.

The disciples’ public testimony and preaching of the resurrection took place in the city of Jerusalem, where Jesus had been crucified and buried shortly before.

As before, we have alleged 'witnesses' who are unavailable for cross examination. We can't even ask if the words attributed to them are accurate.

The Gospel message centered on the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Like how stories of Santa's miracles are centered around Santa.

Sunday was the primary day for gathering and worshipping.

This does nothing to establish a god's involvement in anything.

James, the brother of Jesus and former skeptic, was converted when, he believed, he saw the risen Jesus.

Hearsay testimony. Where is this James feller, that he may be cross examined?

Just a few years later, Saul of Tarsus (Paul) became a Christian believer due to an experience that he believed was an appearance of the risen Jesus.”[1]

"That he believed does not establish fact.

Thinking any of the above 'evidence' establishes fact is pitiable.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #66]

So please, show us all how we can confirm your god ain't a figment of your imagination.

I have on many occasions 12 historical facts that most historians believe about Jesus. That proves that He was raised from the dead.

Jesus died by Roman crucifixion.
He was buried, most likely in a private tomb.
Soon afterward, the disciples were discouraged, bereaved, and despondent, having lost hope.
Jesus’ tomb was found empty very soon after his interment.
The disciples had experiences that they believed were actual appearances of the risen Jesus.
Due to these experiences, the disciples’ lives were thoroughly transformed, even being willing to die for this belief.
The proclamation of the resurrection took place very early, at the beginning of church history.
The disciples’ public testimony and preaching of the resurrection took place in the city of Jerusalem, where Jesus had been crucified and buried shortly before.
The Gospel message centered on the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Sunday was the primary day for gathering and worshipping.
James, the brother of Jesus and former skeptic, was converted when, he believed, he saw the risen Jesus.
Just a few years later, Saul of Tarsus (Paul) became a Christian believer due to an experience that he believed was an appearance of the risen Jesus.”[1]

Actually, the disciples (according to the story) loaded up the body with myrrh and aloe and headed off to Galilee, the logical resting place for Jesus's corpse.

Far less ridiculous when compared to things like:
Matthew 27:52 ►
New International Version
and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.

You'll need to do better before the Galilee explanation can be rejected as being most reasonable.