Is there such a thing as a dogmatic atheist?

[EarthScienceguy]

A dogmatic atheist flatly denies that there is a Divine Being.
A skeptical atheist doubts the ability of the human mind to determine, whether or not there is a God.
A critical atheist maintains that there is no valid proof for the existence of God.

Especially with the state that cosmology is in. I maintain that it is impossible for anyone to be a dogmatic atheist. If you think you are a dogmatic atheist then you must answer the question of what was there before this universe came into existence.

Question for debate: Is there such a thing as a dogmatic atheist?

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #78]

I think you're confused about at least one of your terms because that's like saying that there's no such thing as money to an economist or no such thing as food to a nutritionist.

A materialist is convinced that the universe is completely defined by the interactions of the matter and energy of which it is composed with no intangibles like spirit or magic. That's as objective as reality gets.

An economist has no objective reality value changes according to currency and country.

According to physics so does a materialist's reality.

• But then, says White, that is the ultimate challenge. Although no one knows how to do it yet, he says, “what would be really exciting is to devise a test for whether there is in fact any objective reality out there at all.”
  https://www.nature.com/articles/521278a

[William]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #78]

I think you're confused about at least one of your terms because that's like saying that there's no such thing as money to an economist or no such thing as food to a nutritionist.

A materialist is convinced that the universe is completely defined by the interactions of the matter and energy of which it is composed with no intangibles like spirit or magic. That's as objective as reality gets.

An economist has no objective reality value changes according to currency and country.

According to physics so does a materialist's reality.

• But then, says White, that is the ultimate challenge. Although no one knows how to do it yet, he says, “what would be really exciting is to devise a test for whether there is in fact any objective reality out there at all.”
  https://www.nature.com/articles/521278a

What physicists have discovered, is that what we refer to as 'reality' is not fundamental - there is {?} 'behind' it which is mathematically detectable, but unable to be described re "what it is"

Search "Spacetime is doomed" re that.

Physicists are NOT saying that what we experience as reality doesn't really exist, but rather - that the math points to the reality we experience as not being fundamental to itself...implying that something else is fundamental to the Universe existing...

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to William in post #82]

What physicists have discovered, is that what we refer to as 'reality' is not fundamental - there is {?} 'behind' it which is mathematically detectable, but unable to be described re "what it is"

Search "Spacetime is doomed" re that.

Physicists are NOT saying that what we experience as reality doesn't really exist, but rather - that the math points to the reality we experience as not being fundamental to itself...implying that something else is fundamental to the Universe existing...

The materialist does not believe in anything other than basically energy and the laws that energy obeys.
Quantum mechanics says that everything obeys a wave function that collapses when it is observed. Up until the wave function collapses all possibilities are possible.

So what was discovered is that measurement depends on who is measuring or who is observing.

The materialist's only option is some sort of Multi-verse theory with many different realities.

Quantum mechanics would indicate that nothing is real until it is observed.

[William]

[Replying to EarthScienceguy in post #83]

Quantum mechanics would indicate that nothing is real until it is observed.

What about that which is doing the observing? Is that included as being 'non-real'?