You Are No Longer You!

[POI]

If God selects you into His Kingdom of Heaven, you are no longer you. Why?

1) You will no longer sin in Heaven, as Heaven is a sinless environment. Hence, you must have a portion of your freewill stripped from you (in some capacity).
2) You will not mourn for any of your loved ones, which do not also make it into Heaven; as Heaven has no mourning, as it is Heaven after all.

Which begs a follow up question....

Whoever God chooses, He must change, in preparation for such a divine space/arena. Humans are deemed perpetual sinners. Thus, if God must change all, for whom He elects, why not just allow ALL into Heaven?

[nobspeople]

If God selects you into His Kingdom of Heaven, you are no longer you. Why?

1) You will no longer sin in Heaven, as Heaven is a sinless environment. Hence, you much have a portion of your freewill stripped from you (in some capacity).
2) You will not mourn for any of your loved ones, which do not also make it into Heaven; as Heaven has no mourning, as it is Heaven after all.

Which begs a follow up question....

Whoever God chooses, He must change, in preparation for such a divine space/arena. Humans are deemed perpetual sinners. Thus, if God must change all, for whom He elects, why not just allow ALL into Heaven?

I would say there's no change needed. At least how you describe it. You see, humanity was perfect before the fall. The fall changed humanity into what it is today. So the change you describe isn't needed - the only change was 'back to the way it was before'. At least that's my best guess with what christians would counter.
Another tact I've heard is that, somehow, God will create a way for you to 'be yourself' while not wanting to or thinking about sinning. It must be nice to be able to claim something can do anything - even the things you don't yet know about or understand!
Also, I was told 'God will give you the grace to understand why your loved once didn't make it with you'.

Are these things possible? Sure, as with God, all things are possible (though there are those that argue that God can't do the undoable, even though he created everything in the first place, and is all powerful; so he can do everything but not everything...? it's a logical nightmare of which there is no end past 'just 'cause').
There's little to gain from trying to understand the non intelligible when it comes to believers. They can believe anything, make it make sense to them, and feel superior when they look down their noses at those who disagree with them. It's just about as perfect of a lifestyle as there ever was!

[POI]

I would say there's no change needed. At least how you describe it. You see, humanity was perfect before the fall. The fall changed humanity into what it is today. So the change you describe isn't needed - the only change was 'back to the way it was before'. At least that's my best guess with what christians would counter.

Sure, but then the OP question still remains completely unanswered....

Why not just allow all into Heaven?

Another tact I've heard is that, somehow, God will create a way for you to 'be yourself' while not wanting to or thinking about sinning. It must be nice to be able to claim something can do anything - even the things you don't yet know about or understand!

Sure, but then the OP question still remains completely unanswered....

Why not just allow all into Heaven?

Also, I was told 'God will give you the grace to understand why your loved once didn't make it with you'. Are these things possible? Sure, as with God, all things are possible (though there are those that argue that God can't do the undoable, even though he created everything in the first place, and is all powerful; so he can do everything but not everything...? it's a logical nightmare of which there is no end past 'just 'cause').

Yes. Epicurus' "god paradox" still holds alive and well apparently....

There's little to gain from trying to understand the non intelligible when it comes to believers. They can believe anything, make it make sense to them, and feel superior when they look down their noses at those who disagree with them. It's just about as perfect of a lifestyle as there ever was!

Yes, playing tennis without a net sure must be nice

[1213]

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1) You will no longer sin in Heaven, as Heaven is a sinless environment. Hence, you must have a portion of your freewill stripped from you (in some capacity).
2) You will not mourn for any of your loved ones, which do not also make it into Heaven; as Heaven has no mourning, as it is Heaven after all.
...

If heaven is the same as eternal life, it is for righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

If person is righteous, he doesn’t sin.

...He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

Person must be, or become righteous already in this life to get that gift of life.

I think that does not happen forcibly. I think it happens when person freely wants it.

Those who don’t get into the eternal life are not righteous. I don’t think they would even want to be there, so why mourn, if they get what they want, eternal separation from God and His will?

[brunumb]

If person is righteous, he doesn’t sin.

But aren't we told that all people sin and that there are none that are righteous?

[Miles]

If person is righteous, he doesn’t sin.

But aren't we told that all people sin and that there are none that are righteous?

Absolutely

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 3:10
As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;

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[JoeyKnothead]

If God selects you into His Kingdom of Heaven, you are no longer you. Why?
1) You will no longer sin in Heaven, as Heaven is a sinless environment.

Whelp, I'm out, yall have what fun ya can in such a restricted environment.

Hence, you must have a portion of your freewill stripped from you (in some capacity).

Ain't no different than living with the pretty thing. Joey do this, Joey do that, no Joey, ya can't smoosh on em until ya do all your chores.

2) You will not mourn for any of your loved ones, which do not also make it into Heaven; as Heaven has no mourning, as it is Heaven after all.

I'm set to think my loved ones'll be holding a fistful of doobies and passing round jugs full of beer. Now that's Heaven. Well, that and the smooshing on the pretty thing.

Which begs a follow up question....
Whoever God chooses, He must change, in preparation for such a divine space/arena. Humans are deemed perpetual sinners. Thus, if God must change all, for whom He elects, why not just allow ALL into Heaven?

Then we couldn't play the game of hating and oppressing those we think ain't gonna make it there.

I don't go to church while I'm alive, it won't fuss me none not to go to the big church in the sky when I die.

[Purple Knight]

I don’t think they would even want to be there, so why mourn, if they get what they want, eternal separation from God and His will?

This is actually a good point. If you want to be perfect, being "stripped" of that free will is a good thing; it's not even being stripped of anything as you're choosing to be rid of it. But if you don't want to be perfect, then don't be, all's well that ends well, and nobody is forcing you to go to Heaven. If you object to Heaven on moral grounds, there are any number of sins you can commit that don't hurt anyone. Just go and masturbate a lot and that'll do you, I assume. Then you don't go to heaven and problem solved.

Maybe I see this differently than most because I don't want to be me. I'd choose to be a perfect robot. I'd absolutely replace the decision-making part of my brain with a robot brain no second thoughts about it.

[POI]

...
1) You will no longer sin in Heaven, as Heaven is a sinless environment. Hence, you must have a portion of your freewill stripped from you (in some capacity).
2) You will not mourn for any of your loved ones, which do not also make it into Heaven; as Heaven has no mourning, as it is Heaven after all.
...

If heaven is the same as eternal life, it is for righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

If person is righteous, he doesn’t sin.

...He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

Person must be, or become righteous already in this life to get that gift of life.

I think that does not happen forcibly. I think it happens when person freely wants it.

Those who don’t get into the eternal life are not righteous. I don’t think they would even want to be there, so why mourn, if they get what they want, eternal separation from God and His will?

As @miles, in post #6 has already alluded to, no one is deemed "righteous". But I still do not see the direct correlation?

Do the truly righteous not mourn the ones which are not chosen? Or, does God wipe away their memory? Or other?

[JehovahsWitness]

1) You will no longer sin in Heaven, as Heaven is a sinless environment.

This is not true. The Devil spent a lot of his time in heaven and scripture even describes a war between the Michel (The resurrected Jesus) and his angels and the devil and his demons that resulted in them being thrown OUT of heaven. Logically then, heaven was previously a place where there was demonic forces and sin.



If heaven is presently as "sinless environment" this has not always been the case. Thus, being free from sin is evidently a choice; and choices indicate free will according to the standard dictionary definition thereof.





JW




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