Christian Salvation?

[POI]

According to the Bible, what minimum qualifications are required for Christian Heavenly salvation?

- Does a stillborn baby receive a free pass?
- Do all deceased children receive a free pass, prior to the age of enlightenment?
- Is it mandatory to believe, worship, and also attempt to follow Hm; while still knowing you will fall short of perfection in your attempts?
- Is some sort of baptism a requirement for salvation?
- Can you lack conviction that God even exists, but still be selected by your judged upon works?
- Must you keep specific Commandments all the time?
- Does blasphemy of the Holy Spirit guarantee damnation, regardless of later repentance of this prior deemed offense (i.e.) the born again Christians might be screwed?
- Are earnest deathbed conversions, by way of belief and repent to the Christian God, enough?
- Must you love God more than you love anyone on earth?
- Can you be a devout believer/follower, but choose not to give away the majority of your wealth to ones more in need than you?
- Can you be saved if you practice monogamous homosexuality until death?

[We_Are_VENOM]

According to the Bible, what minimum qualifications are required for Christian Heavenly salvation?

Repentance and faith.

- Does a stillborn baby receive a free pass?

Yes.

- Do all deceased children receive a free pass, prior to the age of enlightenment?

Yes.

- Is it mandatory to believe, worship, and also attempt to follow Hm; while still knowing you will fall short of perfection in your attempts?

Yes.

- Is some sort of baptism a requirement for salvation?

No.

- Can you lack conviction that God even exists, but still be selected by your judged upon works?

No.

- Must you keep specific Commandments all the time?

Theoretically, yes.

- Does blasphemy of the Holy Spirit guarantee damnation, regardless of later repentance of this prior deemed offense (i.e.) the born again Christians might be screwed?

No.

- Are earnest deathbed conversions, by way of belief and repent to the Christian God, enough?

Yes.

- Must you love God more than you love anyone on earth?

Yes.

- Can you be a devout believer/follower, but choose not to give away the majority of your wealth to ones more in need than you?

Yes.

- Can you be saved if you practice monogamous homosexuality until death?

No.

[JehovahsWitness]

According to the Bible, what minimum qualifications are required for Christian Heavenly salvation?

To be a spirit begotten, born again Christian.

JOHN 3:5 - Berean Literal Bible

Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless anyone be born of water and of the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.

Sounds like you are asserting that one must be 'born again and baptized properly"?

Yes that is correct.

Can you please elaborate a bit, as I'm sure many Christians might give differing answers here. In your words, what does the provided passage mean exactly?

That only someone baptized as a Christian (a follower of Christ) and "born again" that is chosen to be an adopted son of God by means of his (God's) holy spirit can be called to heavenly life (selected to go to heaven after they die to rule as one of the 144,000 members of the heavenly government.





JW

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HEAVEN , BORN AGAIN and ... THE 144, 000

[POI]

... Many go on mission trips to spread the Word of Jesus. If you were to leave some remote nations completely unaware and oblivious to Jesus, then based upon your account, they all go to Heaven...

I didn't mean that all unaware people are righteous. I meant, it may be that there are people that can be counted righteous. If so, I think they would gladly receive the good news.

Or how about if you want the best for your own child? According to your belief, if you wish to guarantee your child's salvation, seems as though it would be much more altruistic to dispatch your child at birth. This way, they are guaranteed to be chosen by God. Right? Sure, you have now committed a killing, for which you could plea with God it was not a murder, but instead an act of altruism... Moving forward, you can then ask for earnest forgiveness either way, and then become 'righteous' there-after. But wait? See below......

How would killing the child make sure he is righteous? It could be that the child then would not have chance to become righteous.

...But wait, even the Bible states everyone sins, no matter what.

Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins

As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one

Care to redefine what it means to be "righteous"?

Bible tells about righteous:

But the righteous will live by faith. If he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.
Hebrews 10:38

Righteous person is faithful/loyal to God. And if person remains loyal to God, he lives. That is why I think sin is to reject God, or to be separated from God. i believe there are people that are righteous, loyal to God. Still, even righteous person may make mistakes, but if he doesn't reject God, he has no sin.

For a righteous man falls seven times, and rises up again; But the wicked are overthrown by calamity.
Pro. 24:16

1. A devout and following Christian, and of Jesus, who takes anything at all without permission, is no longer breaking the 8th Commandment?
2. Do deceased infants receive a free pass?
3. Does anyone, who has never been exposed to the teachings of Jesus and Christianity, get a free pass?
4. How do you square the provided contradiction I have provided, which states that "no one is righteous, not one?"

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[PinSeeker]

According to the Bible, what minimum qualifications are required for Christian Heavenly salvation?

Repentance of sin and belief in Christ and His sacrifice for your sin. And faith as a mustard seed.

- Does a stillborn baby receive a free pass?

No. God can change anyone's heart, baptize him or her of the Spirit, and give this gift of faith at any age.

- Do all deceased children receive a free pass, prior to the age of enlightenment?

No.

- Is it mandatory to believe, worship, and also attempt to follow Hm; while still knowing you will fall short of perfection in your attempts?

Yes.

- Is some sort of baptism a requirement for salvation?

Not outward baptism. But inward baptism, that of the Holy Spirit is, yes. For God's elect (the ones He chooses), this is an inevitability.

- Can you lack conviction that God even exists, but still be selected by your judged upon works?

Not if you are relying on your works alone to merit salvation.

- Must you keep specific Commandments all the time?

Effort is required.

- Does blasphemy of the Holy Spirit guarantee damnation, regardless of later repentance of this prior deemed offense (i.e.) the born again Christians might be screwed?

That's the unforgivable sin, yes. But born again Christians are kept from committing this sin by God.

- Are earnest deathbed conversions, by way of belief and repent to the Christian God, enough?

Yes.

- Must you love God more than you love anyone on earth?

Yes.

- Can you be a devout believer/follower, but choose not to give away the majority of your wealth to ones more in need than you?

Giving sacrificially is what is required, and that can take many different forms.

- Can you be saved if you practice monogamous homosexuality until death?

Maybe.

Grace and peace to you.

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1. A devout and following Christian, and of Jesus, who takes anything at all without permission, is no longer breaking the 8th Commandment?
2. Do deceased infants receive a free pass?
3. Does anyone, who has never been exposed to the teachings of Jesus and Christianity, get a free pass?
4. How do you square the provided contradiction I have provided, which states that "no one is righteous, not one?"

1. Sorry, I am not sure what you mean with that.
2. 3. All who are righteous, get the free pass. I don't know who really are righteous.
4. Should look the exact scripture, what it really says and in what context.

[POI]

According to the Bible, what minimum qualifications are required for Christian Heavenly salvation?

Repentance of sin and belief in Christ and His sacrifice for your sin. And faith as a mustard seed.

Noted.

- Does a stillborn baby receive a free pass?

No. God can change anyone's heart, baptize him or her of the Spirit, and give this gift of faith at any age.

If God can change anyone's heart, including infants, why does God not just change all? Sounds like you are asserting that God decides who He wants to become inexorably drawn to Him?

- Is it mandatory to believe, worship, and also attempt to follow Hm; while still knowing you will fall short of perfection in your attempts?

Yes.

How successful do your attempts have to be? Example...

A single/married sex addict believes in Christ, and repents to Christ wholeheartedly their entire life; but cannot kick his/her addiction to sex with anyone and everyone they can and want. Does there exist some objective measure in failed attempts? If so, what is it?

- Can you lack conviction that God even exists, but still be selected by your judged upon works?

Not if you are relying on your works along to merit salvation.

Can you lack conviction enough to where you are almost sure god is not real, like Richard Dawkins, but still be an earnest philanthropist -- volunteering much of your free time to places in need (medical, food, shelter, education, etc.)?

- Does blasphemy of the Holy Spirit guarantee damnation, regardless of later repentance of this prior deemed offense (i.e.) the born again Christians might be screwed?

That's the unforgivable sin, yes. But born again Christians are kept from committing this sin by the God.

Are you saying a born again Christian would have never committed the unforgivable sin prior to being born again?

- Are earnest deathbed conversions, by way of belief and repent to the Christian God, enough?

Yes.

If Stalin did so, on his deathbed, he goes to heaven. But if a devout Buddhist philanthropist dies without repent to Christ, god sends him to hell?

- Must you love God more than you love anyone on earth?

Yes.

This sounds as reasonable as telling your child.. "If you do not clearly love me more than anyone else, including your mother, I'm going to send you to my basement of torture for eternity."

- Can you be a devout believer/follower, but choose not to give away the majority of your wealth to ones more in need than you?

Giving sacrificially is what is required, and that can take many different forms.

How much is enough? Is there an objective measure? And if you don't fulfill this unknown or known objective measure, are you guaranteed a one way ticket to hell?

- Can you be saved if you practice monogamous homosexuality until death?

Maybe.

Does this mean we can ignore what the Bible says about homosexuality?

[POI]

1. A devout and following Christian, and of Jesus, who takes anything at all without permission, is no longer breaking the 8th Commandment?
2. Do deceased infants receive a free pass?
3. Does anyone, who has never been exposed to the teachings of Jesus and Christianity, get a free pass?
4. How do you square the provided contradiction I have provided, which states that "no one is righteous, not one?"

1. Sorry, I am not sure what you mean with that.
2. 3. All who are righteous, get the free pass. I don't know who really are righteous.
4. Should look the exact scripture, what it really says and in what context.

1). No one is righteous, because no one is without sin; regardless of if you are a devout believer or other. Case/point:

A lie is a lie is a lie. The Bible deems no 'good moral lie'. God deems a lie a sin, period. It does not matter if you lie to a child for their protection, or to save a hostage, or to spare your spouse's feelings; you are a LIAR Sorry to seem hyperbolic here, but it drives home the point...

None are righteous, like the Bible illustrates in Verse; no matter how much any individual thinks they might be... God deems NONE righteous. Hence, the story-line presented, where He had to clone himself, send the clone to earth, and have this clone atone for all human sin. You know, that 'ol chestnut

2). 3). See response 1). So I guess no one gets in? Unless you care to define what righteous actually means?

4). I did. Again, at best, we have a contradiction.

[PinSeeker]

If God can change anyone's heart, including infants, why does God not just change all? Sounds like you are asserting that God decides who He wants to become inexorably drawn to Him?

Romans 9 is very clear. God calls... or not:

"Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory ~ even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?" (Romans 9:21-24).

How successful do your attempts have to be?

In this life, we're never going to be sinless. That's why confession and repentance are ongoing things, not once and for all. And this is God's ongoing work of sanctification in us. And, having begun a good work in us, He will bring it to completion at the day of Christ.

- Can you lack conviction that God even exists, but still be selected by your judged upon works?

Not if you are relying on your works along to merit salvation.

Can you lack conviction enough to where you are almost sure god is not real, like Richard Dawkins, but still be an earnest philanthropist -- volunteering much of your free time to places in need (medical, food, shelter, education, etc.)?

Same answer. No one can rely on his or her works, no matter how "good," to merit salvation. All a person's works, no matter how good, are tainted with sin. This is no reason not to do anything good, of course, but relying on them will get one nowhere with God. This, by the way, is one of the differences between Christianity and every other religion on earth ~ even the non-religious religion .

- Does blasphemy of the Holy Spirit guarantee damnation, regardless of later repentance of this prior deemed offense (i.e.) the born again Christians might be screwed?

That's the unforgivable sin, yes. But born again Christians are kept from committing this sin by the God.

Are you saying a born again Christian would have never committed the unforgivable sin prior to being born again?

Yes.

- Are earnest deathbed conversions, by way of belief and repent to the Christian God, enough?

Yes.

If Stalin did so, on his deathbed, he goes to heaven. But if a devout Buddhist philanthropist dies without repent to Christ, God sends him to hell?

Correct.

Must you love God more than you love anyone on earth?

Yes.

This sounds as reasonable as telling your child.. "If you do not clearly love me more than anyone else, including your mother, I'm going to send you to my basement of torture for eternity."

Well, the "basement of torture" thing is ridiculous, but aside from that, why do you think God wants us to love Him above all else? Do you think He's just selfish and all about Himself and nobody else?

- Can you be a devout believer/follower, but choose not to give away the majority of your wealth to ones more in need than you?

Giving sacrificially is what is required, and that can take many different forms.

How much is enough? Is there an objective measure? And if you don't fulfill this unknown or known objective measure, are you guaranteed a one way ticket to hell?

No.

- Can you be saved if you practice monogamous homosexuality until death?

Maybe.

Does this mean we can ignore what the Bible says about homosexuality?

No.

Grace and peace to you.

[POI]

If God can change anyone's heart, including infants, why does God not just change all? Sounds like you are asserting that God decides who He wants to become inexorably drawn to Him?

Romans 9 is very clear. God calls... or not:

So your gist is as follows...

One is required to be a believer/follower.
God decides who will be a believer/follower.

Again, why not call upon all to believe and follow?

How successful do your attempts have to be?

In this life, we're never going to be sinless. That's why confession and repentance are ongoing things, not once and for all. And this is God's ongoing work of sanctification in us. And, having begun a good work in us, He will bring it to completion at the day of Christ.

Do you have to repent of your very last sin, just prior to your exit/death? Meaning, can you have any un-repented sin on you, and then die?

- Can you lack conviction that God even exists, but still be selected by your judged upon works?

Not if you are relying on your works along to merit salvation.

Can you lack conviction enough to where you are almost sure god is not real, like Richard Dawkins, but still be an earnest philanthropist -- volunteering much of your free time to places in need (medical, food, shelter, education, etc.)?

Same answer. No one can rely on his or her works, no matter how "good," to merit salvation. All a person's works, no matter how good, are tainted with sin. This is no reason not to do anything good, of course, but relying on them will get one nowhere with God. This, by the way, is one of the differences between Christianity and every other religion on earth ~ even the non-religious religion .

If all works are tainted, then works are effectively arbitrary. All that matters, at a minimum, is believe/repent/worship. Aside from the aforementioned, WHY follow the rest of God's laws? Again, we are speaking about what is the bare minimum for salvation. Also see how you responded below, in compared to above. I'll point this out directly below, in red.

- Are earnest deathbed conversions, by way of belief and repent to the Christian God, enough?

Yes.

If Stalin did so, on his deathbed, he goes to heaven. But if a devout Buddhist philanthropist dies without repent to Christ, God sends him to hell?

Correct.

Then outside of belief/repent, all other Commandments/works are completely unnecessary; regarding the minimum requirements for Heaven.

Why follow any of them then, if they are rendered unnecessary?

Must you love God more than you love anyone on earth?

Yes.

This sounds as reasonable as telling your child.. "If you do not clearly love me more than anyone else, including your mother, I'm going to send you to my basement of torture for eternity."

Well, the "basement of torture" thing is ridiculous, but aside from that, why do you think God wants us to love Him above all else? Do you think He's just selfish and all about Himself and nobody else?

But the implication is as follows... "Love me the most, or you will be sent to hell". Would any human be this petty? If so, would you truly respect them?

- Can you be a devout believer/follower, but choose not to give away the majority of your wealth to ones more in need than you?

Giving sacrificially is what is required, and that can take many different forms.

How much is enough? Is there an objective measure? And if you don't fulfill this unknown or known objective measure, are you guaranteed a one way ticket to hell?

No.

Based upon your answer(s) above, it sounds like a Christian does not necessarily need to comport with this law --- at all. As you stated above, "All a person's works, no matter how good, are tainted with sin."

Again, aside from belief/repent/worship the rest of God's assigned morality is not necessary. So why asign further morality, if it is not necessary for salvation?

- Can you be saved if you practice monogamous homosexuality until death?

Maybe.

Does this mean we can ignore what the Bible says about homosexuality?

No.

Then how do you reconcile when the Bible states that homosexuality is an abomination? But wait, maybe you are right here? Maybe it does not matter, because the ONLY thing which matters is belief/worship/repent. Which begs the question... Why tell readers that homosexuality is an abomination regardless, if it does not govern anything about your salvation status anyways?