Another Circular Circular.

[Tcg]

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Apparently due to the pandemic, the JWs have taken to mailing out their circulars rather than knocking on doors and handing them out personally or leaving them in mailboxes if they get no answer. The latest I've gotten in the mail asks, "How do you view the future?" As is often the case, the first part refers to the Bible to answer the question on the cover and the second part purports to answer the question, "Can we really believe what the Bible says?" Oddly the second part contains a total of eight biblical references to support the claim that one can.

Does it make logical sense to accept the verses supporting the Bible as evidence the Bible should be believed?

Do some who receive this circular circular not notice its circular nature?


Tcg

[William]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #245]

Of course, the gate at the drive prevents unwanted guests. But should they get the code, the dogs are a further deterrent. I'm just not good with strangers.

Well there ya go. Chances are the JayDubs and other strangers have never actually ventured onto your property. You're fortress is secure.

Just cause they may have never come on my property yet doesn't mean they never will.

All it would take is for the gate to fail to close, then I risk some religious busy body thinking their lies trump my privacy.

What about the dogs you mentioned?

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #245]

Of course, the gate at the drive prevents unwanted guests. But should they get the code, the dogs are a further deterrent. I'm just not good with strangers.

Well there ya go. Chances are the JayDubs and other strangers have never actually ventured onto your property. You're fortress is secure.

Just cause they may have never come on my property yet doesn't mean they never will.

All it would take is for the gate to fail to close, then I risk some religious busy body thinking their lies trump my privacy.

What about the dogs you mentioned?

If the gate was ever open long enough to draw a fundie coming in, you can bet them dogs'd be halfway to Arkansas chasing cars. That's kinda the problem with hunting breeds.

[William]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #252]

If the gate was ever open long enough to draw a fundie coming in, you can bet them dogs'd be halfway to Arkansas chasing cars. That's kinda the problem with hunting breeds.

In that case, the gate is the paddle you don't wanna let go of, up that creek.

Hopefully the communities knowledge of you is what allows the JayDubs to already know not to bother you...by letting your dogs out on their way in and all that other stuff what can ripple your creek.

They will leaf you alone.


All in all I would say you ought not need to engage paranoia into that equation.

[benchwarmer]

It seems we are agreeing that people can be disrespectful when they call on someone for a purpose that the callee wants no part of.

I do, but that requires interaction to discover, which is an unfortunate reality we must deal with, and that's is why I'm on the side of what I very well admit is a compromise with the ideal, rather than the ideal itself.

I really don't think it's that complicated. Don't interrupt others when they are in the privacy of their homes if you are uninvited, not in need, or not involved in an emergency. Full stop.

JWs are uninvited (in our context here), not in actual need of something from me (regardless of their desires to 'save' me), and certainly are not involved in an emergency that requires my immediate attention. Simply put, they are intruding on privacy because they can. They don't need to do this as evidenced by their ability during COVID to setup stands in public and freely interact with all who walk by.

Ideally nobody bothers anybody, everybody respects privacy, but in an imperfect world where people are going to sometimes want to do things that bother others for any number of reasons, I would rather sometimes be bothered than live my life in a straitjacket because of what might bother others.

What straight jacket? They are free to engage you in public.

And I think this is only realistically a problem when you can't opt out, as it seems to be for phone solicitations. We've all spent more effort talking about this now than it would be to scrawl "No Solicitors" on a piece of paper and stick it in a visible place on our windows.

Why should I litter my window with a sign?

Again, this is about respect for privacy and simple manners. If I was trying to talk to strangers about my favorite religion, I would respect their possible desire for privacy in their own homes and only approach them in public. Respecting privacy is something people who are well mannered attempt to do at all times unless there is no other option. JWs have plenty of other options.

Nope, still missing my point. It's not the physical touching of my door.

That's fine, but you've lost any high ground to argue from private property, then.

No, not my point again.

While I am in the privacy of my home, if JWs want to sneak onto my property as quiet as ninjas and feel up my door, they are welcome to it. I would not notice the intrusion. The point is entirely about intruding on ME. It just happens that they bang on my door, ring the bell, or shout from the sidewalk to do it. It's the positive act of interrupting me that is the issue here. Sure, there are secondary issues of legality of coming onto private property, but that's not really what I'm currently talking about.

I'm talking about them interrupting me at their leisure while I am obviously in a private setting. It would be the same disrespect if you and I were chatting on a park bench and they just barged into the conversation. Do you randomly jump into the middle of people you can see are occupied? I'm guessing you are polite and wait for an opportune time to wave a hand or wait for them to notice you. Remember, this example is in public. When someone is in private it's worse because they have no clue what you are doing. They are always essentially jumping in the middle of whatever is going on.

This is actually my bad assuming you were, because I'm coming from a position of having argued something very very VERY similar to death. This was a gaggle of free-market, Anarcho-Capitalist libertarians telling me that they have the right to sell bottles of poison with labels that say green beans ("the free market will take care of that; if a company does that then it won't last long") but that I can't have chickens on my property because they don't want to see them or smell them. Because, you see, I can just not buy the green beans, I can do better research as to who is trustworthy as a seller of green beans, but senses can be aggressed against and I must get permission before exposing someone to a stimulus to any sense.

Well, the chickens is essentially the same thing. If what you are doing (regardless of the source) intrudes on another's ability to enjoy freedom from being disturbed in their private home, you are being disrespectful at some level. Smelly animals, loud noises, unwelcome visits, etc. Things that I can't shut out and shouldn't have to go out of my way to be free from. Of course we can get silly here. Should I mow my lawn for fear I might disturb the neighbor? That's why we have bylaws to determine some acceptable level of disturbance. i.e. reasonable noise between 7am-11pm is tolerated by law.

I know I'm beating this to death, but the real point is that JWs have a 'nicer' way to engage with strangers. There is no need to interrupt them in their homes. They can interact in public and get the same exposure to the people. What they probably count on though (while being disrespectful in the process in IMHO) is that uninvited door knocking can take advantage of extremely kind folks who don't like to close the door on people, regardless of how annoying they might be.

At very least, trying to assess what is allowed by what is deliberate is a muddy affair, because for all JW knows, you're sitting there waiting for the chance at company, and he can't know you're not until you interact and make that clear. He can't know he's interrupting and bothering you.

And that not knowing is the entire point. Quietly leaving a pamphlet at the door would be more polite. I might be slightly annoyed at the wasted paper that I have to recycle, but at least I won't be bothered until it's at MY leisure when I open my door for whatever reason.

[Tcg]

[Replying to Tcg in post #1]

While cleaning out my desk tonight I came across three more JW circulars that have been mailed to my house. On the first leaf of the second page of all three one finds the question, "Can We Really Believe What The Bible Says?" And in all three the Bible is used as the source to suggest that one can. All are circular circulars. Not a single bit of verifiable evidence is provided nor is any attempt made to do so.

This batch came with a handwritten letter which claimed to be from a neighbor although we live 13 miles apart. The letter referenced "real hope", "troubled times", and something about "God's rulership." Not surprisingly, the letter didn't attempt to provide any verifiable evidence either. The hook in the letter and in the circular circulars seems to be the promise of something emotionally comforting absent any real reason, beyond the emotional hook, to accept the content as truthful or valid.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

Is it this one?

Source: https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/vie ... the-bible/

To learn more please see other posts related to...

THE BIBLE , HERMENEUTICS* and ... BEST TRANSLATION

* bible interpretation




FURTHER READING
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/maga ... ed-of-god/

What evidence is there that the bible is the word of God?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 18#p972418

Are there errors in the bible?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 27#p356827

Can you trust the bible?
viewtopic.php?p=1059125#p1059125

Why should I believe the bible?
viewtopic.php?p=338427#p338427

To read more please go to other posts related to...

BIBLICAL INERRANCY , COMPILATION and ... AUTHORSHIP & TRANSMISSION

- inerrancy

[Tcg]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #256]

Did you not notice that I referred to three circular circulars? 1 /= 3.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #256]

Did you not notice that I referred to three circular circulars? 1 /= 3.


Tcg

Yes I did, do you have a reference (or a title) for all three ?

[Tcg]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #256]

Did you not notice that I referred to three circular circulars? 1 /= 3.


Tcg

Yes Indid, do you have a reference (or a title) for all three ?

Indid? Can you present any JW circulars that aren't circular? Any that present verifiable evidence?


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

While cleaning out my desk tonight I came across three more JW circulars that have been mailed to my house.

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #256]

Did you not notice that I referred to three circular circulars? 1 /= 3.


Tcg

Yes Indid, do you have a reference (or a title) for all three ?

Indid?


Tcg

Emphasis MINE


Sorry typo (corrected). Do you have a title or a reference for the three circulars you are talking about?