Rosary Beads - Is God influenced by Repetition?

[Tcg]

Some Christians use Rosary Beads to keep track of how many times they beg God to act in their favor. Is God influenced by how many times requests are made?


Tcg

[2ndpillar2]

Some Christians use Rosary Beads to keep track of how many times they beg God to act in their favor. Is God influenced by how many times requests are made?

Tcg

Apparently, God is not happy with rote. Without rote, what do they have?

NASB 1995 Isaiah 29:13
Then the Lord said, “Because this people draw near with their words And honor Me with their lip service, But they remove their hearts far from Me, And their reverence for Me consists of tradition learned by rote,

[mgb]

Some Christians use Rosary Beads to keep track of how many times they beg God to act in their favor. Is God influenced by how many times requests are made?

Tcg

Apparently, God is not happy with rote. Without rote, what do they have?

NASB 1995 Isaiah 29:13
Then the Lord said, “Because this people draw near with their words And honor Me with their lip service, But they remove their hearts far from Me, And their reverence for Me consists of tradition learned by rote,

True. Words are only the outer formality. The spirit of prayer is in attention directed towards God.

[historia]

What exactly is this benefit for people?

I've always maintained that if you can get people to willingly participate in absurd rituals, it's a sign that you own them.

Rituals are an important part of being human and can confer psychological benefits. From Psychology Today:

Research shows that rituals can offer numerous psychological advantages such as helping us savor experiences, giving us a sense of control, and reducing anxiety.

[brunumb]

What exactly is this benefit for people?

I've always maintained that if you can get people to willingly participate in absurd rituals, it's a sign that you own them.

Rituals are an important part of being human and can confer psychological benefits. From Psychology Today:

Research shows that rituals can offer numerous psychological advantages such as helping us savor experiences, giving us a sense of control, and reducing anxiety.

They can also be destructive as anyone with an obsessive compulsive disorder could attest. Either way, it doesn't take away from what I said about getting people to willingly participate in ridiculous rituals being a sign that you own them.

[historia]

Rituals are an important part of being human and can confer psychological benefits. From Psychology Today:

Research shows that rituals can offer numerous psychological advantages such as helping us savor experiences, giving us a sense of control, and reducing anxiety.

They can also be destructive as anyone with an obsessive compulsive disorder could attest.

Sure, almost anything that's good for you can be abused.

Either way, it doesn't take away from what I said about getting people to willingly participate in ridiculous rituals being a sign that you own them.

Your unsupported opinion is duly noted.

[Tcg]

[Replying to Tcg in post #1]

Here's another recipe for the rosary prayers:

How to Pray the Rosary

Pray for us, O holy Mother of God. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

O God, whose only-begotten Son, by His life, death, and resurrection, has purchased for us the rewards of eternal salvation; grant we beseech Thee, that meditating upon these mysteries of the most holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary, we may imitate what they contain and obtain what they promise. Through the same Christ our Lord. Amen.

https://stmarysofellis.org/prayers-devo ... the-rosary

And again, it includes the phrase "obtain what they promise." Obviously, those practicing this ritual are expecting God to respond to their begging.


Tcg

[TRANSPONDER]

Some Christians use Rosary Beads to keep track of how many times they beg God to act in their favor. Is God influenced by how many times requests are made?


Tcg

Rosary Beads are a way to organize prayers. None of the prayers on the Rosary are about asking anything of God, much less the propagandist line they “beg God to act in the favor.” No part of the Rosary prayers are meant to influence God. The Rosary is for the benefit of people, not God.

I think most atheists or doubters will have come to the conclusion that God cannot possibly want to have millions of people chanting rote recitations endlessly and we know that they understand that prayers don't get people anything, even if the Christian apologists tries to argue that they do. So I certainly do agree that prayer is for people. And always has been. It's a universal instinct and I think I know what it does, but I am interested to hear what the believer thinks it does for them.

I'd certainly like to hear from Christians about what they think the purpose of, need for and benefit of performing, prayers.

When you say "certainly like to hear from Christians about what they think..." this doesn't look like a challenge to prove God exists or present verifiable evidence that prayers work, but rather an invitation for a Christian to share their personal thoughts regarding the reasons (purpose), motivation and perceive benefits of prayer in their lives.

Have I correctly understood what you would {quote} "like to hear" ? If yes, I will certainly be happy to share my own thoughts.

Yes. That's correct. I don't need to re -do the argument about but whether prayers work (which isn't the same as saying that prayer works Prayers don't work in the sense they don't perform as God guarantees 'Whatever you ask for in Faith God will do'. That is known from research, a little thought and mainly because Christians have to excuse the fact that they don't work. We can put aside 'answered prayer' claims as 'miracles' used as evidence for Biblegod. The claims of revived corpses, the cancer remission flam and delusionary picking out of coincidences as evidence of God working in my life; fortune - telling con - artists have been exploiting that self delusion for a long time.

No. This is about just what it is that Believers - not just Christians - think the act of praying (especially repeated prayer) does for them. And on an individual basis. Bot the religious powerbase - affirmation of communal prayer. But about what the individual gets out of it. I have my own ideas, but I'd like to hear what the victim...sorry, maybe I should say Beneficiary...gets out of it.

[JehovahsWitness]

Yes. That's correct.... This is about just what it is that Believers - not just Christians - think the act of praying (especially repeated prayer) does for them. And on an individual basis.

Thank you, I wanted to confirm as I have been told faith based personal experience is useless and has no place in this subforum. Just for the record, I make no claims here....

NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses


That said, I would say, praying is a way I express my faith in the God I believe in; It makes me feel closer to him. I do not use beads nor repeat written or memorized words by rote when I pray.






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[Tcg]

Thank you, I wanted to confirm as I have been told faith based personal experience is useless and has no place in this subforum. I would say, praying is a way I express my faith in the God I believe in; It makes me feel closed to him.

Your praying makes you feel "closed to" God?


Tcg

[TRANSPONDER]

Some Christians use Rosary Beads to keep track of how many times they beg God to act in their favor. Is God influenced by how many times requests are made?


Tcg

Rosary Beads are a way to organize prayers. None of the prayers on the Rosary are about asking anything of God, much less the propagandist line they “beg God to act in the favor.” No part of the Rosary prayers are meant to influence God. The Rosary is for the benefit of people, not God.

I think most atheists or doubters will have come to the conclusion that God cannot possibly want to have millions of people chanting rote recitations endlessly and we know that they understand that prayers don't get people anything, even if the Christian apologists tries to argue that they do. So I certainly do agree that prayer is for people. And always has been. It's a universal instinct and I think I know what it does, but I am interested to hear what the believer thinks it does for them.

I'd certainly like to hear from Christians about what they think the purpose of, need for and benefit of performing, prayers.

When you say "certainly like to hear from Christians about what they think..." this doesn't look like a challenge to prove God exists or present verifiable evidence that prayers work, but rather an invitation for a Christian to share their personal thoughts regarding the reasons (purpose), motivation and perceive benefits of prayer in their lives.

Have I correctly understood what you would {quote} "like to hear" ? If yes, I will certainly be happy to share my own thoughts.

Yes. That's correct. I don't need to re -do the argument about but whether prayers work (which isn't the same as saying that prayer works Prayers don't work in the sense they don't perform as God guarantees 'Whatever you ask for in Faith God will do'. That is known from research, a little thought and mainly because Christians have to excuse the fact that they don't work. We can put aside 'answered prayer' claims as 'miracles' used as evidence for Biblegod. The claims of revived corpses, the cancer remission flam and delusionary picking out of coincidences as evidence of God working in my life; fortune - telling con - artists have been exploiting that self delusion for a long time.

No. This is about just what it is that Believers - not just Christians - think the act of praying (especially repeated prayer) does for them. And on an individual basis. Bot the religious powerbase - affirmation of communal prayer. But about what the individual gets out of it. I have my own ideas, but I'd like to hear what the victim...sorry, maybe I should say Beneficiary...gets out of it.

No surprise there. Once brainwashed into Godfaith regular top -ups are necessary to keep people brainwashed. Obliging them to do this communally or making it part of the social fabric is fine, but it's the individual thing that interests me. It's like a drug. It isn't enough to know that it's there on the shelf or in the bedside drawer. You need to uncork and have another swig or tip one out and light up. We know why those impart a Feelgood. But what is the FeelGod feelgood? Sure the believer thinks that God is suffusing their mind like the Best Ever, but I am curious as to what is releasing the Dopamine, like your partner climbing onto your lap for a smooch. Is that what it is? Religious softcore porn?