Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[2ndpillar2]

Thanks to the ransom, mankind (humans) will once again return to their optimal condition. This does not mean they stopped being human and return to being humans again, but rather they will, thanks to Jesus, return to human perfection.

To illustrate: You have a car, its new and in tip-top condition. Sadly it is hit in an accident, its still a car but it is now a car in a bad state. You take it to the mechanic, he repaires your car, it "returns" to being in excellent condition. In a similar way humanity will return to its original state or condition.

Humanity would return to its original state until the next "accident"!

Being perfect humans, they will not grow old, get sick or die. All humans under Gods heavenly government will live free of suffering and if they are obedient will live as such forever.

No, it is appointed that all humans will die.

The Holy Scriptures define the reward of the saved as everlasting life:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Your "perfect humans" live as long as they are obedient to God.

I prefer God's reward of guaranteed everlasting life.

God's system is better than your system.

The reward for keeping the Commandments, is to "enter into life" (Matthew 19:17). As for who is "saved", such as described in Joel 2:31-32, in which "saved" is expressed with the terms "escape" and being a "survivor", one must "endure to the end" according to Yeshua Matthew 24:13. Now as far as the false prophet Paul, his gospel is clearly different, and is the message of his father, which is "you surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4). No one is returned to the "original state" except for the righteous who have had their heads cut off for keeping the testimony of Yeshua (Revelation 20:4), and for not worshipping the beast. The nations that survive the "day of the LORD" will be under the rule of the "Word of God", and will be ruled by a rod of iron, and they will have children and they will die, but generally at an age of 100 plus years (Isaiah 65:20).

[onewithhim]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #1988]

Dear JehovahsWitness,

You also said:
Obviously Jesus was capable of sin or else there would have been no point in Satan tempting him. Jesus used his free will wisely and the majority of redeemed mankind will do the same.

Neither Jesus nor mankind have a "free will". There are zero scriptures that state this lie. God the Father is the cause of all things that happen. His "will" is always done. Since He didn't want Christ to sin, Christ could not sin because it was the "will" of the Father.

Here is what scripture says about mankind's supposed "free will":

Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Prov 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.

Isa 26:12 O Jehovah, Thou appointest peace to us, For, all our works also Thou hast wrought for us.

Mankind has a "will" but it is controlled by God and Christ. It most certainly is not free. We cannot do anything that God does not cause us to do. But since we are "carnally minded" and "of this world" we have no knowledge of God working within us to accomplish His "will":

Ecc 3:11 He (God) has made everything fitting in its season; However, He has put obscurity (the world) in their HEART so that the man may NOT find out His work, that which God does, that which God does from the beginning to the end.

God's work is spiritual work which takes place in mankind's HEART. Our carnality stops us from being aware of the work God is doing there.

Joe

Yes, necessary spiritual work is involving a person's heart. A man shows what's in his heart by the choices he makes. Everyone has free will, perfect individuals and imperfect. We all have to CHOOSE what we are going to do.

"I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must CHOOSE life so that you may live." (Deuteronomy 30:19)

If God controlled a person's will, then they would have no chance to "choose." God and Christ would be enormous hypocrites, and I don't believe they are.

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[onewithhim]

Jesus was human, he was obviously mortal (since he died) so shared the same type of body all other humans have, a physical (natural) flesh and blood body.

Thanks to the ransom, mankind will return to exactly the same condition as Christ was while he was a human. Christ died for mankind so that humans could be physically and spiritually perfect.

Why would Christians desire to return to the human state, when the Bible promises us everlasting life??

Is the promise of everlasting life a fraud?

Because we can have everlasting life right here on Earth, doing the things we enjoy doing today. We will never have to stop doing things we love to do.

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[myth-one.com]

Jesus was human, he was obviously mortal (since he died) so shared the same type of body all other humans have, a physical (natural) flesh and blood body.

Thanks to the ransom, mankind will return to exactly the same condition as Christ was while he was a human. Christ died for mankind so that humans could be physically and spiritually perfect.

Why would Christians desire to return to the human state, when the Bible promises us everlasting life??

Is the promise of everlasting life a fraud?

Because we can have everlasting life right here on Earth, doing the things we enjoy doing today. We will never have to stop doing things we love to do.

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Christians who are born again of the Spirit are going to rule the earth forever with Jesus our Lord. Those born of the Spirit are spirit.

So at that time believers will be spiritual bodied beings forever -- there is no going back once one becomes an immortal spiritual being.

We will not have any of the negative consequences of being human -- hunger, thirst, pain, fear, death, etc.

In that context, why would we desire to return to being physical humans as you claim above?

[JehovahsWitness]

THE RULERS WILL BE IMMORTAL SPIRITS IN HEAVEN FOREVER

Christians who are born again of the Spirit are going to rule the earth forever with Jesus our Lord. Those born of the Spirit are spirit. So at that time believers will be spiritual bodied beings forever -- there is no going back once one becomes an immortal spiritual being.

THEIR SUBJECTS WILL BE HUMANS IN FLESH AND BLOOD BODIES. FOREVER.

These will be humans. Humans will live on a paradise earth forever, eating drinking, enjoying the animals. They will live forever as long as they are obedient.




Neither group will suffer fear pain or death. Neither group will change situation : Those in heaven will stay in heaven for all eternity. Those on earth will stay on earth for all eternity (as long as they remain obedient)

In that context, why would we desire to return to being physical humans as you claim above?

Given the above your question makes no sense.

[myth-one.com]

THE RULERS WILL BE IMMORTAL SPIRITS IN HEAVEN FOREVER

Christians who are born again of the Spirit are going to rule the earth forever with Jesus our Lord. Those born of the Spirit are spirit. So at that time believers will be spiritual bodied beings forever -- there is no going back once one becomes an immortal spiritual being.

THEIR SUBJECTS WILL BE HUMANS IN FLESH AND BLOOD BODIES. FOREVER.

These will be humans. Humans will live on a paradise earth forever, eating drinking, enjoying the animals. They will live forever as long as they are obedient.




Neither group will suffer fear pain or death. Neither group will change situation : Those in heaven will stay in heaven for all eternity. Those on earth will stay on earth for all eternity (as long as they remain obedient)

In that context, why would we desire to return to being physical humans as you claim above?

Given the above your question makes no sense.

Nothing of any value was given above.

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[Purple Knight]

Humans will live on a paradise earth forever, eating drinking, enjoying the animals. They will live forever as long as they are obedient.

How would you picture this if Bob becomes disobedient, and, say, decides to pick up a sword and chop the head off of Joe?

What happens to Bob? Does he go to Hell in his physical body, being different from all the other sufferers? Does God simply take back the gifts he gave, causing Bob to now age and die slowly, as he would have without the gift of eternal life?

More importantly, what happens to Joe? I can cannonically see Joe getting a second free rez; there's nothing lorebreaking about this as unless he was alive on Earth in the last days, he received one resurrection before, and nothing says he can't be revived again.

I can also see Joe not dying at all, and simply being in a bit of a bind until somebody pops his head back on. I can see this only because I'm in life sciences and some of the debates I've had with people who study things that are not alive have been enlightening in this way. Things that are alive die, and they're gone forever. Humpty-Dumpty cannot be reassembled, but those who study mechanical objects wonder why it should be so, and I admit, so do I. There's no law of physics that says we can't someday 3D print a living cell, or many, or a whole organism, or use this to bring back the dead, but I admit I have this feeling that it simply won't work.

[2ndpillar2]

Humans will live on a paradise earth forever, eating drinking, enjoying the animals. They will live forever as long as they are obedient.

How would you picture this if Bob becomes disobedient, and, say, decides to pick up a sword and chop the head off of Joe?

What happens to Bob? Does he go to Hell in his physical body, being different from all the other sufferers? Does God simply take back the gifts he gave, causing Bob to now age and die slowly, as he would have without the gift of eternal life?

More importantly, what happens to Joe? I can cannonically see Joe getting a second free rez; there's nothing lorebreaking about this as unless he was alive on Earth in the last days, he received one resurrection before, and nothing says he can't be revived again.

I can also see Joe not dying at all, and simply being in a bit of a bind until somebody pops his head back on. I can see this only because I'm in life sciences and some of the debates I've had with people who study things that are not alive have been enlightening in this way. Things that are alive die, and they're gone forever. Humpty-Dumpty cannot be reassembled, but those who study mechanical objects wonder why it should be so, and I admit, so do I. There's no law of physics that says we can't someday 3D print a living cell, or many, or a whole organism, or use this to bring back the dead, but I admit I have this feeling that it simply won't work.

I don't know. Apparently, you can cut a worm into two pieces, and they grow back. Even lizards will regrow a a new tail. If Frankenstein can have a new head, why can't Joe. Are you saying that Frankenstein was not a real guy? Say it is not so.

[2ndpillar2]

Jesus was human, he was obviously mortal (since he died) so shared the same type of body all other humans have, a physical (natural) flesh and blood body.

Thanks to the ransom, mankind will return to exactly the same condition as Christ was while he was a human. Christ died for mankind so that humans could be physically and spiritually perfect.

Why would Christians desire to return to the human state, when the Bible promises us everlasting life??

Is the promise of everlasting life a fraud?

Because we can have everlasting life right here on Earth, doing the things we enjoy doing today. We will never have to stop doing things we love to do. Apparently, Yeshua won't touch wine until he returns.

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Christians who are born again of the Spirit are going to rule the earth forever with Jesus our Lord. Those born of the Spirit are spirit.

So at that time believers will be spiritual bodied beings forever -- there is no going back once one becomes an immortal spiritual being.

We will not have any of the negative consequences of being human -- hunger, thirst, pain, fear, death, etc.

In that context, why would we desire to return to being physical humans as you claim above?

Why would God want a sanctuary/temple among men on earth? (Ezekiel 37:28) I think the 3 bad buys in Superman were punished by being placed in heaven with no barbeque or beer. Maybe God actually likes barbeque and wine. He is probably looking forward to coming back to earth, and as the Father of a branch of David, he may be having other activities as well. (Matthew 26:29)

[JehovahsWitness]

Humans will live on a paradise earth forever, eating drinking, enjoying the animals. They will live forever as long as they are obedient.

How would you picture this if Bob becomes disobedient, and, say, decides to pick up a sword and chop the head off of Joe?

What happens to Bob? Does he go to Hell in his physical body, being different from all the other sufferers? Does God simply take back the gifts he gave, causing Bob to now age and die slowly, as he would have without the gift of eternal life?

More importantly, what happens to Joe? I can cannonically see Joe getting a second free rez; there's nothing lorebreaking about this as unless he was alive on Earth in the last days, he received one resurrection before, and nothing says he can't be revived again.

I can also see Joe not dying at all, and simply being in a bit of a bind until somebody pops his head back on. I can see this only because I'm in life sciences and some of the debates I've had with people who study things that are not alive have been enlightening in this way. Things that are alive die, and they're gone forever. Humpty-Dumpty cannot be reassembled, but those who study mechanical objects wonder why it should be so, and I admit, so do I. There's no law of physics that says we can't someday 3D print a living cell, or many, or a whole organism, or use this to bring back the dead, but I admit I have this feeling that it simply won't work.

Hi Purple, hope 2022 finds you Well,


I did already address this point HERE
viewtopic.php?p=1061370#p1061370


If you still have any questions after feel free to ask. The bible doesn't give a while lot of details but one thing's for sure nobody will ever again be allowed to marr our paradise - the wages for sin is death ( not aging) so I personally see no reason why God would take 50 or 60 years to execute someone that commit a heinous crime.




JW