The Atonement

[Revelations won]

To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

What does the atonement do or does not do?

What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?

What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?

Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?

I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.

Kind regards,
RW

[Eloi]

[onewithhim]

Adam and Eve died for their own disobedience. Jehovah God directly punished them with death, just as he had warned them. The rest of humanity dies because of them, NOT because of a direct condemnation from God. We were sold to sin and death by our first parents.

Adam and Eve were not in any covenant in which mankind has subsequently been involved. Those pacts came into being precisely because of their disobedience. They only had to be obedient, and they would have lived forever together with all their descendants. All that was required of them was to let God decide for them what they could eat.

You're doing the same thing Adam & Eve did. You're blaming someone else for your sins.

They blamed each other and the serpent, and you're blaming them.

They deserve the blame. Their children could not help being marred by sin because Adam and Eve could not pass on perfection and sinlessness to their children, having become imperfect and sinful. It's in the genes. Their kids got what they could give them---sin and death.

Jehovah immediately set in motion a plan to remedy Adam's children's plight. All they have to do is accept Jesus' atonement sacrifice and do what he says. Simple.

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[myth-one.com]

Adam and Eve died for their own disobedience. Jehovah God directly punished them with death, just as he had warned them. The rest of humanity dies because of them, NOT because of a direct condemnation from God. We were sold to sin and death by our first parents.

Adam and Eve were not in any covenant in which mankind has subsequently been involved. Those pacts came into being precisely because of their disobedience. They only had to be obedient, and they would have lived forever together with all their descendants. All that was required of them was to let God decide for them what they could eat.

You're doing the same thing Adam & Eve did. You're blaming someone else for your sins.

They blamed each other and the serpent, and you're blaming them.

They deserve the blame. Their children could not help being marred by sin because Adam and Eve could not pass on perfection and sinlessness to their children, having become imperfect and sinful. It's in the genes. Their kids got what they could give them---sin and death.

Jehovah immediately set in motion a plan to remedy Adam's children's plight. All they have to do is accept Jesus' atonement sacrifice and do what he says. Simple.

If Adam and Eve deserve the blame for our sins, then isn't God unjust in punishing us for our sins.

What Adam and Eve obviously started is the Blame Game. Everybody needs somebody to blame.

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Jesus obviously did not inherit the sin gene.

Since Mary was a virgin and Jesus did not get the gene, I suppose that males carrier that gene. ( That figures )

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If we have Jesus because of Adam, should we thank Adam? Make him a saint or something?

[Eloi]

[JehovahsWitness]

If Adam and Eve deserve the blame for our sins, then isn't God unjust in punishing us for our sins.

Adam and Eve don't deserve the blame for our sins, they deserve the blame for our tendance to sin /our weakness to sin. They are responsible for out predisposition to sin. We are responsible for the sins we actially commit.

Is God unjust in punishing us for our sins?

No, because his punishment takes the above into consideration and ( under certain conditions ) he mercifully is ready to waver punishment altogether.




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[onewithhim]

Adam and Eve died for their own disobedience. Jehovah God directly punished them with death, just as he had warned them. The rest of humanity dies because of them, NOT because of a direct condemnation from God. We were sold to sin and death by our first parents.

Adam and Eve were not in any covenant in which mankind has subsequently been involved. Those pacts came into being precisely because of their disobedience. They only had to be obedient, and they would have lived forever together with all their descendants. All that was required of them was to let God decide for them what they could eat.

You're doing the same thing Adam & Eve did. You're blaming someone else for your sins.

They blamed each other and the serpent, and you're blaming them.

They deserve the blame. Their children could not help being marred by sin because Adam and Eve could not pass on perfection and sinlessness to their children, having become imperfect and sinful. It's in the genes. Their kids got what they could give them---sin and death.

Jehovah immediately set in motion a plan to remedy Adam's children's plight. All they have to do is accept Jesus' atonement sacrifice and do what he says. Simple.

If Adam and Eve deserve the blame for our sins, then isn't God unjust in punishing us for our sins.

What Adam and Eve obviously started is the Blame Game. Everybody needs somebody to blame.

====================================

Jesus obviously did not inherit the sin gene.

Since Mary was a virgin and Jesus did not get the gene, I suppose that males carrier that gene. ( That figures )

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If we have Jesus because of Adam, should we thank Adam? Make him a saint or something?

Thank Adam? I have said before, if Adam hadn't sinned, Jesus wouldn't have had to come to Earth at all to sacrifice his life as an atonement for sins.

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[myth-one.com]

If Adam and Eve deserve the blame for our sins, then isn't God unjust in punishing us for our sins.

Adam and Eve don't deserve the blame for our sins, they deserve the blame for our tendance to sin /our weakness to sin. They are responsible for out predisposition to sin.

No, Adam & Eve are not to blame for our tendency, weakness, or predestination to sin.

The tendency to sin is a characteristic of all natural flesh and blood bodies by design. And God designed them that way.

If someone is starving, they will typically reach a point of stealing food.

If someone receives pain from some behavior, they will avoid that behavior.

If someone receives pleasure from some behavior, they will seek to repeat that behavior.

Adam & Eve did not design themselves that way.

God designed them that way.

[Eloi]

[onewithhim]

If Adam and Eve deserve the blame for our sins, then isn't God unjust in punishing us for our sins.

Adam and Eve don't deserve the blame for our sins, they deserve the blame for our tendance to sin /our weakness to sin. They are responsible for out predisposition to sin.

No, Adam & Eve are not to blame for our tendency, weakness, or predestination to sin.

The tendency to sin is a characteristic of all natural flesh and blood bodies by design. And God designed them that way.

No He did not design them that way. That is your unsubstantiated opinion. Everything God created was perfect, He was satisfied with everything. Do you think He would've said that His creation was "very good" if something was NOT good?

"The Rock, perfect is his activity, for all his ways are justice." (Deuteronomy 32:4)

Adam & Eve are absolutely responsible for plunging the world into sin and chaos. Otherwise Jehovah would not have put them to death.
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[JehovahsWitness]

The tendency to sin is a characteristic of all natural flesh and blood bodies by design. And God designed them that way.

Not according to scripture.

ROMANS 5:19

For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one person many will be made righteous.

If God designed us that way, the bible would say that "through the actions of God many were made sinners" not through the disobedience of [Adam]




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