Definition of God

[JoeyKnothead]

I won't name the source, cause it was offered in the spirit of explanation moreso than outright fact, but let's fuss on it all the same:

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For a general definition of God, "the underlying source of all else which exists"...

For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm God is the underlying source of all else which exists.

Remember, the bible ain't considered authoritative in this section of the site .

[William]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #124]

Theism just adds an extra logical entity (intelligence) to the materialist one (stuff', either eternal or coming out of nothing.

Intelligence exists in nature, so no thing has been 'added' that wasn't already there.

There is little point in debating the logic of intelligence existing where logically only material should exist, since the truth is, intelligence exists, whether deemed logical or not and is no more illogical in existing than material is.

"The idea of nothing is non-relevant to the fact of something" = "It is consciousness behaving as consciousness behaves"

I assume that you aren't referring to animal intelligence as the origins of that can be theorised. But a Cosmic intelligence is something else, and such a claim need validation or a Claim is all that it is. Declining the debate of that is admission that there is no good case for it. Over to you.

I am referring to intelligence, not assuming that intelligence doesn't stem from where everything else stems from.
Intelligence exists in nature, so no thing has been 'added' that wasn't already there.

[William]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #128]

But a Cosmic intelligence is something else, and such a claim need validation or a Claim is all that it is. Declining the debate of that is admission that there is no good case for it. Over to you.

Generated Message

In the case of this GM;

Re: Generating Messages
Post #59
Post by William » Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:58 pm

The Subject is "The Father"

Therein the message elaborates and is attributed to "YVHV" - as the particular entity messaging identifies Itself.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #124]

Theism just adds an extra logical entity (intelligence) to the materialist one (stuff', either eternal or coming out of nothing.

Intelligence exists in nature, so no thing has been 'added' that wasn't already there.

There is little point in debating the logic of intelligence existing where logically only material should exist, since the truth is, intelligence exists, whether deemed logical or not and is no more illogical in existing than material is.

"The idea of nothing is non-relevant to the fact of something" = "It is consciousness behaving as consciousness behaves"

I assume that you aren't referring to animal intelligence as the origins of that can be theorised. But a Cosmic intelligence is something else, and such a claim need validation or a Claim is all that it is. Declining the debate of that is admission that there is no good case for it. Over to you.

I am referring to intelligence, not assuming that intelligence doesn't stem from where everything else stems from.
Intelligence exists in nature, so no thing has been 'added' that wasn't already there.

Then, if I were to postulate that intelligence evolved from Biochemicals just as Life did , we are talking about a natural evolution of intelligence confined to and specific (so far as we know) to earth and therefore is no evidence for a cosmic mind beyond, that is, the 'order' of natural laws of physics.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #128]

But a Cosmic intelligence is something else, and such a claim need validation or a Claim is all that it is. Declining the debate of that is admission that there is no good case for it. Over to you.

Generated Message

In the case of this GM;

Re: Generating Messages
Post #59
Post by William » Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:58 pm

The Subject is "The Father"

Therein the message elaborates and is attributed to "YVHV" - as the particular entity messaging identifies Itself.

I'm sorry, but I see nothing there but total self - delusion, as in all these hidden message claims, whether as hidden messages in Shakespeare, hidden dates in the OT or hidden messages in Crop circles, now an art form created by human enthusiasts and understood to be (originally) a hoax.

[William]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #134]

Not sure what you are going on about as the evidence provided in the Message Generating makes no claims about how the CC was created. It is referenced and relevant for other reasons.

I certainly have no interest in debating the nature of CCs.

The connect is elsewhere - as this post signifies.

Re: Musing on "A Mind Behind Creation"

The way science is done, is not to take cursory glances and coming to hard conclusions based upon misinformed bias.

When anyone calls for evidence, I assume that they actually are interested...

viewtopic.php?p=1065389#p1065389

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #1]

Omniscient computers can tell if God has created the Universe and all in it or not. Omniscient computers are also known as the OR gate testing regimentation, i.e., operationalized alphabet.

While I tell about "omniscient computers", you should also know that truth is given by a feeling in the body as well, like in, "this feels true", which is a way to speak of God in each and every one of us.

So feelings and omniscient computers may actually be on equal footing here in terms of truth and epistemology and thus, both may confirm that God is the source of the Universe and all in it.

Happy?

Meh. Just as well say Disco Duck is an important piece of musical theater.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #134]

Not sure what you are going on about as the evidence provided in the Message Generating makes no claims about how the CC was created. It is referenced and relevant for other reasons.

I certainly have no interest in debating the nature of CCs.

The connect is elsewhere - as this post signifies.

Re: Musing on "A Mind Behind Creation"

The way science is done, is not to take cursory glances and coming to hard conclusions based upon misinformed bias.

When anyone calls for evidence, I assume that they actually are interested...

viewtopic.php?p=1065389#p1065389

Suits me if you cease to drag hidden messages in crop -circles into the topic -as you did with a link, some posts ago. Of course, you are too smart not to see the relevance (especially as you were linking to it ) of evidence of some mysterious unexplained something more than science knows ,that can be claimed to be flying saucer pilots, Demon Djinns or a Cosmic Mind as you well know and you were trying to imply. In fact I'm surprised that you are willing to drop it so quickly.

[William]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #134]

Not sure what you are going on about as the evidence provided in the Message Generating makes no claims about how the CC was created. It is referenced and relevant for other reasons.

I certainly have no interest in debating the nature of CCs.

The connect is elsewhere - as this post signifies.

Re: Musing on "A Mind Behind Creation"

The way science is done, is not to take cursory glances and coming to hard conclusions based upon misinformed bias.

When anyone calls for evidence, I assume that they actually are interested...

viewtopic.php?p=1065389#p1065389

Suits me if you cease to drag hidden messages in crop -circles into the topic -as you did with a link, some posts ago. Of course, you are too smart not to see the relevance (especially as you were linking to it ) of evidence of some mysterious unexplained something more than science knows ,that can be claimed to be flying saucer pilots, Demon Djinns or a Cosmic Mind as you well know and you were trying to imply. In fact I'm surprised that you are willing to drop it so quickly.

I purposefully linked that particular post because it was - at the time - the Generated Message I had most recently published in the thread.
It is a wise practice to read previous posts in a thread when one is linked to a particular post, as it gives the reader a clearer understanding of thread content and thus context...which is why my comment re cursory glances not being the way to do the science...

And certainly the implication re Cosmic Mind was - as always - there, as my observation is that, that which was behind the creation of the Alien-Disc CC = the transparent intelligence of an Overarching Mind to which we are all - as minds - connected to.
I my case, I am mindfully connected to said Mind.
When anyone calls for evidence, I assume that they are actually interested...which is why I linked you to further information relevant to the interest I have in that CC.

I am not 'dropping' this at all. I am offering evidence that anyone can cross-examine by doing the science themselves - at relatively little cost.

Meantime, the evidence supports the idea that Theism is the better position for a human to place themselves. For anyone to say otherwise, would be unwise in the face of such evidence.

[nobspeople]

[Replying to William in post #138]

Meantime, the evidence supports the idea that Theism is the better position for a human to place themselves. For anyone to say otherwise, would be unwise in the face of such evidence.

I find this he-hi-ho-larious beyond the norm.
It's fun to think one has such evidence to make such a claim, but I have not seen such evidence, in here provided on 'in the real world' enough to make this statement anything less than the bolded above (and I was a practicing 'theist' for decades).
Humanity existed before theism.
Humanity exists today without theism in many places.
In some places today that promote theism, violence is common place - breeding fear and ignorance and intolerance.
In other 'theistic' places, we don't see physical violence, but devious actions against the weak, needy and defenseless.

I suppose if one wants violence, deviousness, controlling the weak, needy and defenseless, sure might be the 'better place'.

To those I say: have at it. But kindly keep your 'wonderful' theism to yourselves.

[William]

[Replying to nobspeople in post #139]

Meantime, the evidence supports the idea that Theism is the better position for a human to place themselves. For anyone to say otherwise, would be unwise in the face of such evidence.

I find this he-hi-ho-larious beyond the norm.

There are many levels of consciousness

It's fun to think one has such evidence to make such a claim, but I have not seen such evidence

The evidence I speak of is throughout the thread I created [LINK]

That you have not 'seen' it may be because you have not looked into it and tested it out for yourself.

I was a practicing 'theist' for decades

Intelligence Without Wisdom

Theists practice many things. Your statement is ambiguous. Were you a religious practicing theist?

Humanity existed before theism.

Expression of Astonishment

The Sun existed before humanity. What is your point?

Humanity exists today without theism in many places.

Again, what is your point?

In some places today that promote theism, violence is common place - breeding fear and ignorance and intolerance.

Those things are from a branch of theism called "religion" and are best avoided...whatever branch of Human Tribalism they derive out of.
Science and Engineering have contributed to the violence of humanity and other world problems, but we don't go painting all the activities of S&E with the same brush now, do we?
What gives you special privilege as a practicing non-theist to do so with Theism?
Your unresolved issues to do with having practiced some unspecified religious observances, in the past?

In other 'theistic' places, we don't see physical violence, but devious actions against the weak, needy and defenseless.

Again - all sectors of human society practice such things...why only point at one of these [Theism] and imply that it is the fault?

Kindly keep your 'wonderful' theism to yourselves

I find this he-hi-ho-larious beyond the norm


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