The Central Problem with Christianity

[Diogenes]

Jesus (and Paul) thought the world was going to end soon. This is why Jesus told people to give away their possessions, and Paul taught people should not marry. Jesus spoke very specifically about the world ending in the lifetime of those he preached to. [I won't go into the verses, because it will spawn the usual verbal gymnastics about how he did not mean what he said]

Christians, for the most part, ignore the idea of not attaining wealth. They also ignore the admonition not to marry. They ignore these basic Christian teachings because they don't like them. Instead, they claim Jesus didn't really mean what he said about the end coming soon. This provides cover for getting married and accumulating wealth.

The question for debate is, "Why do most Christians marry and try to accumulate wealth despite the very clear New Testament admonitions to do the opposite?

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth
and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal.
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor
rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal.

__ Matthew 6:19-20

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #109]

As sad as it is, I am pleased whenever a JW brings up the issue of child sexual molestation ...

Your pleasure has been duly noted. Now, to return to my question(s)

..."strict confidentiality must be maintained to avoid unnecessary entanglement with secular authorities"

Are you suggesting that the above sentence amounts to instruction that knowledge of a crime or suspicion of a crime should not be reported to secular authorities? Or is it that the elders (who are not law enforcement agents) should not interfere or do anything that might undermine an ongoing investigation? From whom is strict confidentiality to be maintained? Do you have accesss to the original source of the above quotation so that the context can be referenced?

Please provide a reference for the original source of said quotation.

[Tcg]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #111]

Your question was answered before you asked it.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #111]

Your question was answered before you asked it.


Tcg

I have asked you several questions none them have been answered.

..."strict confidentiality must be maintained to avoid unnecessary entanglement with secular authorities [who may be conducting a criminal investigation of the matter]"

Are you suggesting that the above sentence amounts to instruction that knowledge of a crime or suspicion of a crime should not be reported to secular authorities? Or is it that the elders (who are not law enforcement agents) should not interfere or do anything that might undermine an ongoing investigation? From whom is strict confidentiality to be maintained? [Does the original document specify that parents, for example should not be informed of a crime against a minor?] Do you have accesss to the original source of the above quotation so that the context can be referenced?

Please provide a reference for the original source of said quotation.

[Tcg]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #113]

I am under no obligation to answer every question a fellow poster asks. This is especially true when the answers to the questions asked have already been provided.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #111]

Your question was answered before you asked it.


Tcg

I have asked you several questions none them have been answered.

..."strict confidentiality must be maintained to avoid unnecessary entanglement with secular authorities [who may be conducting a criminal investigation of the matter]"

Are you suggesting that the above sentence amounts to instruction that knowledge of a crime or suspicion of a crime should not be reported to secular authorities? Or is it that the elders (who are not law enforcement agents) should not interfere or do anything that might undermine an ongoing investigation? From whom is strict confidentiality to be maintained? [Does the original document specify that parents, for example should not be informed of a crime against a minor?] Do you have accesss to the original source of the above quotation so that the context can be referenced?

Please provide a reference for the original source of said quotation.

I am under no obligation to answer every question a fellow poster asks. ....

Your avoidance to provide proof that the above quotation has not been taken out of context / has been properly understood has been duly noted.






JW

[Tcg]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #115]

The only avoidance in play here is the refusal to acknowledge the answers that have already been provided. It's not a terribly effective debate strategy.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #115]

The only avoidance in play here is the refusal to acknowledge the answers that have already been provided. It's not a terribly effective debate strategy

I avoid debating material that has not been properly referenced or for which I cannot read the full context of a quotation in its ORIGINAL setting . I am happy however to analyse responses (even on possible "quote mined" partial citations) if the poster response in a competent and balanced manner.

..."strict confidentiality must be maintained to avoid unnecessary entanglement with secular authorities [who may be conducting a criminal investigation of the matter]"

• Are you suggesting that the above sentence amounts to instruction that knowledge of a crime or suspicion of a crime should not be reported to secular authorities?

• Or is it that the elders (who are not law enforcement agents) should not interfere or do anything that might undermine an ongoing investigation?

• From whom is strict confidentiality to be maintained?

• [Does the original document specify that parents, for example should not be informed of a crime against a minor?]
  
  • Do you have accesss to the original source of the above quotation so that the context can be referenced?
  
  
  Please provide a reference for the original source of said quotation.

Reading ccomprehension 101,



JW

[Tcg]

Reading ccomprehension 101,

Ah, yes. An Ad Hominem. The last resort from a poster who has no valid argument to present.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

I see no basis for the above comment; but let us not quibble but rather return to my questions for you.

..."strict confidentiality must be maintained to avoid unnecessary entanglement with secular authorities [who may be conducting a criminal investigation of the matter]"

• Are you suggesting that the above sentence amounts to instruction that knowledge of a crime or suspicion of a crime should not be reported to secular authorities?

• Or is it that the elders (who are not law enforcement agents) should not interfere or do anything that might undermine an ongoing investigation?

• From whom is strict confidentiality to be maintained?

• Does the original document specify that parents, for example should not be informed of a crime against a minor?
  
  
  Please provide a reference for the original source of said quotation so a proper understanding of the text can be assertained

JW

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[Tcg]

Reading ccomprehension 101,

Ah, yes. An Ad Hominem. The last resort from a poster who has no valid argument to present.


Tcg

I see no basis for the above comment;

What you do or do not see doesn't change the reality that what was presented is an Ad Hominem and adds no value to the discussion of the sexual abuse which exists and is covered up within the JW branch of Christianity.


Tcg