I remember a TV preacher once asking his broadcast audience, "If you were Satan....." I don't remember the rest of the question, but I seem to remember that he was talking about prophecy and arguing that Satan was up to some diabolical mischief ("If you were Satan, isn't that what you would do?").
A lot of detail in Christian scripture about what is to happen before Jesus returns is tied to the activity of "Satan". The appearance of the "antichrist", in particular, is supposed to be part of Satan's last gambit before he goes down to utter defeat.
Since it was asked of me how I would react if I were Satan, I think it's fair for me to answer. I know that "Satan" is supposed to be a being of superhuman intelligence, but I can't help thinking that if such a being actually existed and if I were that being, I could do a lot better.
If I were "Satan", I would scrap the antichrist plan. If it's all laid out in the Bible, then everyone knows what to expect and you've lost the element of surprise. With that one simple deviation from the prophetic scenario, the whole thing would be gummed up. No antichrist, no mark of the beast, no abomination of desolation, no anything I was supposed to do as Satan to set the stage for the return of Jesus. And without those prophetic components in place, Jesus couldn't return to fulfill prophecy. And how could anyone stop me? I wouldn't be taking some action which could be prevented; I would be defeating prophecy by not taking action.
So let me pass the preacher's question on to you. If you were "Satan", what would you do----or not do----to thwart prophecy?
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Post #181My memory is fine. If you dare to explain what you need evidence of, I'd be glad to address it.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:18 amI have to wonder why those that constantly make unsupported claims have selective amnesia when asked for evidence.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:16 amWhich claim are you claiming I claimed that you suggest I need to support? I can't evade a question that hasn't been fully described.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:14 amI explained fully. Now enough of your evasion , can you support your claim yes or no?
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Post #182Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:20 amMy memory is fine. If you dare to explain what you need evidence of, I'd be glad to address it.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:18 amI have to wonder why those that constantly make unsupported claims have selective amnesia when asked for evidence.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:16 amWhich claim are you claiming I claimed that you suggest I need to support? I can't evade a question that hasn't been fully described.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:14 amI explained fully. Now enough of your evasion , can you support your claim yes or no?
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We are not in kindergarden, dares are for children, I have ALREADY explained to you what you claimed nd explained my challenge. Genuine question: do you intent to continue to evade the point or do you intend to support your claim? Will you answer that simple question.
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Post #183Genuine question: do you intend (not intent) to answer what claim it is you claim I have made?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:23 amTcg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:20 amMy memory is fine. If you dare to explain what you need evidence of, I'd be glad to address it.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:18 amI have to wonder why those that constantly make unsupported claims have selective amnesia when asked for evidence.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:16 amWhich claim are you claiming I claimed that you suggest I need to support? I can't evade a question that hasn't been fully described.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:14 amI explained fully. Now enough of your evasion , can you support your claim yes or no?
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Post #184Another evasion: Will you answer my question or do you claim not to be able to locate that as well?
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Post #185That is not true.
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Post #186The Greatest Trick Satan Ever Pulled Was Convincing the World it were not flat !!!
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Post #187[Replying to Tcg in post #181]
Tcg: What you may or may not believe is irrelevant in a sub-forum dedicated to debate.
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JW: No I dont believe it is irrelevant. We are discussing views on the identity of the antichrist and I have presented what I believe on the subject. If you believe my view is "irrelevant" so prove it. Otherwise your claim is dismissed.
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JW: No I dont believe it is irrelevant. We are discussing views on the identity of the antichrist and I have presented what I believe on the subject. If you believe my view is "irrelevant" so prove it. Otherwise your claim is dismissed.
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Post #188[Replying to The Nice Centurion in post #148
Their best isn't enough.LDS do their best this days to get accepted into mainstream christianity.
Fair enough, but stating an opinion doesn't justify it.I didnt say mainstream christianity is always right, but said that in some certain question mainstream christianity and I tend to have the same opinion.
And it is not yours.
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Post #189I wasn't asking about "Satan" thwarting prophecy "in context with mainstream Christianity"; if "Satan" were to thwart Christian prophecy, that would invalidate it.The Nice Centurion wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:48 am [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #163]
Yeah, heres a main obstacle that the OP chooses to ignore. Mainstream christianity will never give that prophecy can be thwarted. Yet the OP wants an explanation of how Satan THWARTS PROPHECY IN CONTEXT WITH MAINSTREAM CHRISTIANITY.
This is far from rational. OP accepts only an impossible to give answer. But didnt write so in the OP.
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Post #190And I'm accused of not arguing rationally.The Nice Centurion wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:10 amThe Greatest Trick Satan Ever Pulled Was Convincing the World it were not flat !!!

