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In many or at least some reports of NDEs, the experiencer reports meeting Jesus during the NDE. Many times, this report comes from one who is a practicing Christian. No surprise there. The question I have concerning this is how do they know it was Jesus they met?
If the story of Judas is correct, the Jewish chief priests and elders had to hire him to point out who Jesus was. Again, if that is true Jesus must have been a rather ordinary looking man. He would not have stood out in the way that many of the illustrations of him suggest. Perhaps if the NDEers are Catholic or have been exposed to the Shroud of Turin their Jesus looks like that image. But, for the others how do they know what Jesus looks like?
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Post #2Shiva's got more arms, Aphrodite has better skin, and Thor's goat has a limp.
Process of elimination.
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Post #3Okay, but how many arms did the Budha have? Same as Jesus, right?
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Post #4Relying on memory a bit, NDEs show signs of conforming to the mindset of the person who had them. Most of them are from Western Christians, but some seemed to be of families, rather than religious, some were non christian and a couple seemingly secularist. I recall that the one that 'went Viral' converted the atheist who had it, but obviously I'd need to revisit the whole matter again.
But what I'd be looking for are the clues in the reference to Jesus. Did Jesus say he was Jesus? Did he already know it was Jesus? (suspicious) Did he look like Jesus? That would be very suspicious as there is reason to suppose that the popular image of Jesus was not what he really looked like.
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Post #5Excellent question; many NDE's might be attributed to mere hallucination but if spirits do exist any of them could presumably claim to be Jesus or Mary or whatever "saint" when they are not.
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Post #6JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:00 pmExcellent question; many NDE's might be attributed to mere hallucination but if spirits do exist any of them could presumably claim to be Jesus or Mary or whatever "saint" when they are not.
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That's indeed a can of worms. How does one know that this was not in fact (saying for sake of argument that it is) what happened at the resurrection?
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Post #7[Replying to Tcg in post #1]
I had expected that some who are convinced that NDEs include the experience of meeting Jesus would explain how those experiencers knew that they met Jesus. So far that hasn't happened.
It would be interesting to compile the descriptions of Jesus these NDEers met to see if there was any agreement on what he looked like. Perhaps he looks exactly like they imagined he looked like before they almost, but of course didn't actually die.
Death, what a fun topic.
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I had expected that some who are convinced that NDEs include the experience of meeting Jesus would explain how those experiencers knew that they met Jesus. So far that hasn't happened.
It would be interesting to compile the descriptions of Jesus these NDEers met to see if there was any agreement on what he looked like. Perhaps he looks exactly like they imagined he looked like before they almost, but of course didn't actually die.
Death, what a fun topic.
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Post #8The only poster I have come across that believes in NDEs seems convinced that trickery in this area is an impossiblity. I was unable to assertain why.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:14 am [Replying to Tcg in post #1]
I had expected that some who are convinced that NDEs include the experience of meeting Jesus would explain how those experiencers knew that they met Jesus. So far that hasn't happened.
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Post #9I see. Your reply doesn't address Jesus in any way. And yet he is clearly the main focus of my O.P. question. Odd but not surprising.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:30 amThe only poster I have come across that believes in NDEs seems convinced that trickery in this area is an impossiblity. I was unable to assertain why.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:14 am [Replying to Tcg in post #1]
I had expected that some who are convinced that NDEs include the experience of meeting Jesus would explain how those experiencers knew that they met Jesus. So far that hasn't happened.
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Post #10I dont believe Jesus appears in NDE's to anyone, at least not in our modern era. I think NDEs are probably just hallucinations or possibly demonic manifestations.
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