Was there ever a time when the Earth existed, and the Sun didn't?

[Tcg]

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The first creation story found in Genesis 1 starts with the creation of the heavens and the earth. Sometime later the sun was reportedly created. Is this possible?

Was there ever a time when the earth existed, and the sun didn't?


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

...Sometime later the sun was reportedly created.

There is no verse in the book of Genesis that says when God created the sun; the only words that are in the text is "let there be light" which is very much open to interpretation.

So, do you have some other deity you'd care to nominate as Sun Creator?

I do not understand why you are raising the question of who created the sun, when my point was concerning WHEN it was reported as having been created.

The OP does not raise the question of identity but rather of chronology.

JW

[brunumb]

The Bible does not say that God created the sun after he created earth. He says "let the light be". Its dark on the surface of the waters because the light of the universe is not able to come through the atmosphere of planet earth to penetrate to the waters. https://www.explainchristianity.com/doe ... -creation/

When God says "let the light be", what is the source of that light? We can't have light until stars are made and that came later. The sun is just another star by the way. If the sun did not exist but the stars did, then the surface of the earth would still be dark. At night we see the stars but there is still darkness despite the sun existing and starlight penetrating the atmosphere.

[Miles]

...Sometime later the sun was reportedly created.

There is no verse in the book of Genesis that says when God created the sun; the only words that are in the text is "let there be light" which is very much open to interpretation.

So, do you have some other deity you'd care to nominate as Sun Creator?

I do not understand why you are raising the question of who created the sun, when my point was concerning WHEN it was reported as having been created.

Yeah, I just caught that and made the change.

If you will note, verse 19 identifies the day as. "There was evening, and then there was morning. This was the fourth day."

which came after verse 12 when "The earth grew grass and plants that made grain. And it grew trees that made fruit with seeds in it. Every plant made its own kind of seeds. And God saw that this was good.13 There was evening, and then there was morning. This was the third day

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[JehovahsWitness]

At night we see the stars but there is still darkness despite the sun existing and starlight penetrating the atmosphere.

Excellent point, so the stars and sun can exist while there is {to quote you} "still darkness". The two are not mutually exclusive.



JW

[Tcg]

...Sometime later the sun was reportedly created.

There is no verse in the book of Genesis that says when God created the sun; the only words that are in the text is "let there be light" which is very much open to interpretation.

There most certainly is:

Gen1:16 And God made the two great lightsthe greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the nightand the stars.

Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

...Sometime later the sun was reportedly created.

There is no verse in the book of Genesis that says when God created the sun; the only words that are in the text is "let there be light" which is very much open to interpretation.

There most certainly is:

Gen1:16 And God made the two great lightsthe greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the nightand the stars.

Tcg

The sun is indeed alluded but the word "sun" is not mentioned in the Creation account and when it was created is evidently open to debate.

Was there ever a time when the earth existed, and the sun didn't?

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[Diogenes]

There is no verse in the book of Genesis that says when God created the sun[/color]; the only words that are in the text is "let there be light" which is very much open to interpretation.

There appears to be no limit to your willingness to misrepresent the Bible to serrve your own ends.
Genesis 1:16, "And God made the two great lightsthe greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the nightand the stars."

Joshua 10:12-13:

On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.
So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day."

Are you seriously suggesting the Bible claims the light was not from the Sun, or that the Sun does not exist, or that God did not create the Sun as "the greater light to rule the day?"

What do you suppose is the light that shines upon the Earth but is not the Sun?

[Tcg]

...Sometime later the sun was reportedly created.

There is no verse in the book of Genesis that says when God created the sun; the only words that are in the text is "let there be light" which is very much open to interpretation.

There most certainly is:

Gen1:16 And God made the two great lightsthe greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the nightand the stars.

Tcg

The sun is indeed alluded but the word "sun" is not mentioned in the Creation account and when it was created is evidently open to debate.

The story is quite clear. The sun was created on the fourth day. This is after the creation of the earth. In fact, the earth was created before all the days of creation. Sure, the bible doesn't give a date for the creation of the sun, but that is irrelevant. It's the order that is under consideration. And it has the order wrong.


Tcg

[brunumb]

At night we see the stars but there is still darkness despite the sun existing and starlight penetrating the atmosphere.

Excellent point, so the stars and sun can exist while there is {to quote you} "still darkness". The two are not mutually exclusive.

That is not addressing the point made by christian001.

Its dark on the surface of the waters because the light of the universe is not able to come through the atmosphere of planet earth to penetrate to the waters.

Come up with one coherent argument.

[JehovahsWitness]

....the bible doesn't give a date for the creation of the sun ...

As I said, the word sun isn't mentioned at all [in the creation account]

..., but that is irrelevant.

How convenient.

... It's the order that is under consideration. And it has the order wrong.

Well that depends on how one interprets the text. It has already been pointed out by brunumb and others that light emitting bodies can exist while there is "darkness" on earth.


JW