Was there ever a time when the Earth existed, and the Sun didn't?

[Tcg]

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The first creation story found in Genesis 1 starts with the creation of the heavens and the earth. Sometime later the sun was reportedly created. Is this possible?

Was there ever a time when the earth existed, and the sun didn't?


Tcg

[Diogenes]

Its often overlooked too that much of scripture has dual meaning, physical and spiritual.

Christ explained this to his disciples, so "light" refers to spiritual light, knowledge, wisdom.

"Let there be light" and other expressions, need to be considered on this basis.

Yes, the light that was created four days before the Sun was made was 'spiritual' and its 'spirit' nourished the plants that grew before there was sunlight and god made the Earth with dinosaur fossils from other planets he made billions of years before he made the Earth 6000 years ago.

And if you just send me $25.00 (or whatever the 'spirit' leads you to send me) I will send you my book that explains this irrefutably so that you can confound those evil atheists by confronting them with my brilliant arguments you can claim are yours. For more details go to https://www.gulliblesuckersinjesusweloveidiotstoo.org

[Difflugia]

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I was really hoping that was real. In the meantime, there's always objectiveministries.org.

[Tcg]

The only thing left to ponder is why you didn't answer the question, "What laws of physics are defied by putting an object on a table?"

Determinism?

You consider a question an answer to a question. How very odd. How about we give you another shot, "What laws of physics are defied by putting an object on a table?"


Tcg

[Wootah]

The only thing left to ponder is why you didn't answer the question, "What laws of physics are defied by putting an object on a table?"

Determinism?

You consider a question an answer to a question. How very odd. How about we give you another shot, "What laws of physics are defied by putting an object on a table?"


Tcg

I think since free will is not really a given how does a book observably go up hill when we pick it up off the floor?

What law of physics is doing that to your knowledge?

[Tcg]

The only thing left to ponder is why you didn't answer the question, "What laws of physics are defied by putting an object on a table?"

Determinism?

You consider a question an answer to a question. How very odd. How about we give you another shot, "What laws of physics are defied by putting an object on a table?"


Tcg

I think since free will is not really a given how does a book observably go up hill when we pick it up off the floor?

What law of physics is doing that to your knowledge?

This odd discussion started with your question:

"How did that object defy the laws of physics?"

That question can't be answered until you answer which laws of physics it defied. Asking me to explain why humans can pick up objects doesn't answer it.


Tcg

[Wootah]

[Replying to Tcg in post #65]

I'll just click thanks on your last post.

Apparently it was a good and worthy reply.

[Tcg]

[Replying to Tcg in post #65]

I'll just click thanks on your last post.

Apparently it was a good and worthy reply.

I'd rather that you would have answered the question. It's clear that isn't going to happen. Instead, I'll take a shot at answering the question. The object didn't defy any laws of physics. The object, whether it be a book or a hamburger, got picked up by a human being. My work desk has about 15 items on it right now. I didn't defy any laws of physics when I put them on it. It's simply that at least with some relatively small items I am stronger than gravity.

Oddly enough, understanding gravity may help us understand how the sun and earth formed and reveal the fact that there never was a time when the earth existed, and the sun didn't.


Tcg

[Wootah]

[Replying to Tcg in post #67]

Now how did you do it?

Apart from a miniscule amount of matter in the universe the rest is inanimate and following whatever causal chain.

And yet we defy that chain constantly which is miraculous.

And on topic that is how I understand God taking actions but God can do it at a greater scale.

[Tcg]

[Replying to Tcg in post #67]

Now how did you do it?

I picked it up and then put it down. We're not talking quantum mechanics here.


Tcg

[William]

There were days mentioned but they seem to represent GOD-days.

I would say that these creations could have taken place in the order they did if they were coding.

The 'day of rest' could account for the complete project up and running, being the simulation we refer to as "The Universe" and, as frequently, "Reality".