Okay, Let's Cut To The Chase!

[POI]

Dear Christians of all flavor(s),

I trust it is no surprise there exists a populous here, which lay claim to 'atheism', 'deism', or maybe other... In a nutshell, for me, this ultimately means I do not believe any such claimed Christian God exists - trying though as I might.... Which-is-to-mean, I was raised in a Christian house hold. However, after much study, I cannot get myself to belief such a claimed agent actually exists. Chalk it up, ultimately, to the topic of 'divine hiddenness' I guess...?

It is also evident there exists devout 'Christians' in this arena, of all flavors, who may feel they are 'fighting the good fight'; by defending their belief(s)/faith/rationale in the assertion of the existence to the "Christian God".

That being said, I am laying down the gauntlet, so-to-speak... Some here, as well as outside of here, are as sure as anything, that not only does God exist, but the Christian God! Well, I politely disagree. Meaning, I don't believe the "Christian based" assertion/claim.

I can't imagine this request will be anything new. Nor, can I imagine that I will encounter any new sort of enlightenment. But, being this is a rather large and important topic; I will continue to search, optimistically, that there exists some sort of 'concrete evidence(s)' to demonstrate that not only a God exists ---> but also the Christian God.

For Debate:

Please demonstrate the mere existence of the Christian God?

[wannabe]

However, isn't Bible evidence for that God wants everyone to believe?

Well maybe the actual existence of the bible and the magnitude of its reproduction would make a case for what God might want to tell the world.
(considering it is a book about himself)
Considering the diversity of the world and its cultures, it would be true to say it has touched a lot of lives.
That's an awful lot of evidence of something.

It's evidence that some stories become popular and that some of those stories touch people's lives. It isn't evidence of God.


Tcg

No one can prove God, only God can do that and he sometimes does.

[Tcg]

However, isn't Bible evidence for that God wants everyone to believe?

Well maybe the actual existence of the bible and the magnitude of its reproduction would make a case for what God might want to tell the world.
(considering it is a book about himself)
Considering the diversity of the world and its cultures, it would be true to say it has touched a lot of lives.
That's an awful lot of evidence of something.

It's evidence that some stories become popular and that some of those stories touch people's lives. It isn't evidence of God.


Tcg

No one can prove God, only God can do that and he sometimes does.

I view it quite differently, but if that is true, we'll have to wait for him to show up and answer the O.P.


Tcg

[brunumb]

No one can prove God, only God can do that and he sometimes does.

Sometimes? With so much riding on it, you would expect that God would prove himself always. What's with the picking and choosing? Looking forward to seeing an excuse plucked from the pages of "The Giant Omnibus of Christian Loopholes".

[POI]

Short video 20min on the history of the Jews as proof of God.

So the "Christian god" exists because the Jews are still around?.?.?

Okay, I tried to watch this video, but it was so riddled with fallacious argumentation, i just had to hit 'stop'.

1. The OT is hardly an official document of true historicity. Which means, we can stop right here, as this entire video is likely based upon a faulty premise.

2. EVEN IF such events were carried about, as expressed, so? Countless people have martyred themselves, in the name of their opposing 'god'(s).

I could go on, but instead I will provide a counter video, since videos are presented here as "demonstration" for the 'Christian god'...

[POI]

No one can prove God, only God can do that and he sometimes does.

1. Based upon what criteria, does He or does He not do so?

2. Is it possible the recipient can completely miss the Christian God's given personal revelation or proof?

3. Why doesn't He just prove Himself to all?

4. How do you know the Christian God has actually proven Himself to anyone?

5. Is self delusion possible?

6. Has He proven Himself to you? If so, how do you know?

[Wootah]

It feels like a lot of people on this website don't know Christianity is Jewish.

But yeah when you think about the continuous fsiled effort to kill God's people. It does seem like evidence to me.

[JoeyKnothead]

It feels like a lot of people on this website don't know Christianity is Jewish.

But yeah when you think about the continuous failed effort to kill God's people. It does seem like evidence to me.

[TRANSPONDER]

It feels like a lot of people on this website don't know Christianity is Jewish.

But yeah when you think about the continuous failed effort to kill God's people. It does seem like evidence to me.

I concede that the remarkable persistence of the Jews despite efforts (not least by Christianity) to eradicate them, was an argument to think that a god might be keeping them going. But there's the thing. That is only evidence for Judaism, not for Christianity. Sure it can be argued that 'Christianity is Jewish', which is to say, it started off with Judaism and became a different religion. And thus, arguably, the wrong one if Judaism is right. After all, Islam started off with Judaism and Christianity, and yet Christians don't accept this new revelation as true and convert to Islam.

I know the claim is that an angel came and related it to someone who knew nothing of it, but I don't believe it any more than I believe the Nativities, the Resurrections or the Shekel -eating fish. It is clear that Islamic scripture just started off with the Bible and just took what it wanted and rejected what it didn't as untrue.

[POI]

when you think about the continuous fsiled effort to kill God's people. It does seem like evidence to me.

Evidence for the Christian God equals millions of Jews being killed, (but not ALL of them)?

Further, what you claim seems more 'man-made' than anything. Why would God have any preference, based upon something you cannot control (i.e. ) --- your race?

[Tcg]

It feels like a lot of people on this website don't know Christianity is Jewish.

There's a simple explanation for that. It is because it isn't.

When Jesus failed to reform Judaism to of course worship him, his followers had to put a new spin on his "ministry" after the fact. That was to start calling his followers "Christians" (Acts 11:26). This indicates the invention of a new religion. Can't really blame Jesus however, he was long dead by the time spin doctors took over. Jesus may have been Jewish; Christianity most clearly is not.


Tcg