Is Evil Necessarily if God is Good?

[AquinasForGod]

So my question for debate is the title. Is evil necessary if God is good?

By necessary, I mean that the world could not be any other way.

My answer is yes, evil is necessary if God is good. God could not have made the world any other way other than evil exist.

Here is my reasoning. First, my definition of evil is the lack of the good, like darkness is the lack of light. Evil is not a thing in the world, but a lack of a thing, i.e. the good.

Perfect = having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be.
Only that which is eternal and good can be perfectly good, thus anything else that comes to exist will lack the good.

Because God is good, God will do the good.
It is good to bring about the world.
It is good to bring about freewill beings.
Freewill beings will do less than the good. They will do evil. They will cause suffering.
thus evil is necessary.

For those interested, here is a more detailed defense - https://www.freelymeditate.com/single-p ... y-for-good

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Is there a possible world in which humans exist with freewill and every human chooses the good, i.e. no human ever does any evil? Is there such a possible world?

This is a world where that is possible, people just choose not to be good.

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Is there a possible world in which humans exist with freewill and every human chooses the good, i.e. no human ever does any evil? Is there such a possible world?

This is a world where that is possible, people just choose not to be good.

I actually agree. But the question is, why? I don't even need to delve into the Dogmatic pretzels or apologetic back -flips of God doing it all but Man being to blame, or Satan doing it all when God is ultimately in charge, and I rather put a different approach. Half full rather than half empty. Rather than a world that is potentially perfect and it's only our wickedness that makes us do the wrong. couldn't it be that unplanned survival of the fittest makes for an amoral world where just surviving is the point even if 'evil' is done, and yet we have evolved (if it was god given then, like Genesis,it would have come in one go, not had to evolve over a long time) a humanity where choosing to do the good even where it helped others rather than ourselves, is something we often choose to do. I ind that quite remarkable, and human beans doing a sight better than evolutionary forces had planed for us, just as our reasoning, society and morality is better than anything the Biblegod came up with.

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #20]

God when speaking to Job said, (Job 38:1-2), "...Who is this that darkenth counsel by words without knowledge?

God spoke to Job and said, (Job 40:1-2), "...Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

Note Job's opposition to God.

Jesus cannot be compared because Jesus was the God/Man. Jesus was God the Son. He always obeyed and did not sin. His will was always the Fathers will.

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[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #20]

God when speaking to Job said, (Job 38:1-2), "...Who is this that darkenth counsel by words without knowledge?

God spoke to Job and said, (Job 40:1-2), "...Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

Note Job's opposition to God.

None of that represents Job opposing God. Job was not perfect but he did not rebel (oppose ) God. He spoke rashly and humbly acknowledged his mistakes. To imply Job embraced evil and joined Satan and the demons in opposing Jehovah contradicts the blessings God gave Job for his integrity. Or do you think God is in the habit of rewarding and blessing those who oppose Him?

JOB 42:12

So Jehovah blessed the last part of Jobs life more than the beginning

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[AquinasForGod]

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Is there a possible world in which humans exist with freewill and every human chooses the good, i.e. no human ever does any evil? Is there such a possible world?

This is a world where that is possible, people just choose not to be good.

So then by modal logic evil is necessary. If there is no possible world in which humans exist and never do evil, then evil is necessary. Maybe you disagree with modal logic. If so why?

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #24]

Again, Job's will was in opposition to God's will. As (Job 38:1-2) and (Job 40:1-2) show.

Job was a man of God. But, because he had a will, that will would at times be opposed to God's will. And that is evil.

Peter was a man of God. Yet his will was not always in step with God's will. It was at times in opposition to God. (Matt. 16:23) "But he turned and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou sasvourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."

As I said before, because God created man with a will, one day that will would be in opposition to God. Evil.

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[JehovahsWitness]

As I said before, because God created man with a will, one day that will would be in opposition to God. Evil.

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Perhaps you are just not understanding the biblical meaning of words.

Evil is the complete lack of goodness, God will destroy those he judges as evil.

To oppose God is to join Satan in rebellion of God. Those that do so are considered by Him as His (Gods enemies). They too will be destroyed, like Satan, damned to eternal oblivion.

Recall Gods words in Eden when he condemded Satan

GENESIS 3:15

And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring.

Now, no biblically literate person will conclude the above descriptions fit the man God rewarded Job or the Apostle Peter used by God to preach the Christ resurrected.

1 CORINTHIANS 6: 14-16

For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness?+ 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer share in common with an unbeliever? And what agreement does Gods temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: "I will reside among them+ and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."

JW




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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #27]

What silly statements you make.

Adam and Eve joined Satan by simply eating of a fruit.

Peter joined Satan by wanting to stop Jesus from going to the Cross.

I never said Job's will and Peters will proved they were offspring of Satan. You inject a whole other subject. Which you must do because Scripture is against you. Both Job and Peter's will at times was in opposition to God. Evil.

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