Christianity's Biggest Problem Yet?

[POI]

Below is a 20 minute video. For the ones who opt not to watch, I'll start with the following question? (Which may then lead to many others, as this is a fairly new concept of thought for me)....

Why does YHWH allow for so much animal suffering? Before you Christians answer, I trust you are already aware of this guy's counter points?

[kjw47]

You asked why the angel being roamed free on earth. He didnt become satan and devil until he rebelled. He was in good standing until then.

Are you saying that Satan was in good standing when he was allowed access to the garden and that he rebelled later?

Genesis 3: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

How does that sit with your explanation. And, you still haven't explained why God cursed the serpent but did nothing to Satan.

God appointed that angel over the Garden. Genesis 3:15 proves it was about the devil. The devil bruised Jesus in the heel, Jesus bruised him in the head.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Where does it say God appointed the angel (who became Satan) over the garden? Also, not seeing Jesus or Satan in that passage. Care to explain?

Every scholar knows it is that way. The women refers to Gods kingdom. Jesus is appointed king of that kingdom.

Oh, I get it now. Make up stuff about the other made up stuff. If it's not in the original text, just spin something out and pretend that's what the original meant. Be sure to attribute whatever it is to the 'scholars'. You can get the Bible to say just about anything you want if you try hard enough.

My teachers are appointed by Jesus, they get holy spirit guiding them into all truth--at the proper time( Matt 24:45)

[kjw47]

those same scientists would say the Lions on the ark ate meat as well, but they would be wrong.

Do you have anything substantial to back up that claim?

In Gods kingdom, it will go back to the way it was-no meat eaters-Isaiah 11:7

That says nothing about what occurred on the ark. That said, animals have have digestive systems which do not permit them to just eat anything. Before or after the alleged flood is irrelevant. The Bible is patently wrong, because the people who wrote it were completely ignorant of how life functions or how the world really works.

God inspired the words by holy spirit through righteous men to write his words down in the bible.

[kjw47]

Gods kingdom rule promises to fix it all.

Having admitted you never met God, how might we confirm you speak truth in this new claim of yours?

It's downright goofy how so many theists on this site think that just presenting pile upon steaming pile of claim upon claim upon claim is somehow presenting evidence for any of it.

Promises found in Gods inspired word=the bible.

Where have you established the Bible to be a god's words, as opposed to the words of humans?

Archeologists proved many of the writings as true.

[kjw47]

those same scientists would say the Lions on the ark ate meat as well, but they would be wrong.

You are avoiding the issue. The link demonstrates how scientists know dinosaurs ate each other. It's not just a claim, in which they pulled out of their keisters.

So, why would dinosaurs suffer BEFORE the fall of man?

The bible doesnt say.

Okay? But we now agree suffering happened before the "fall of man". This makes no sense. Why would God allow suffering here?

Who said dinosaurs suffered?

[POI]

those same scientists would say the Lions on the ark ate meat as well, but they would be wrong.

You are avoiding the issue. The link demonstrates how scientists know dinosaurs ate each other. It's not just a claim, in which they pulled out of their keisters.

So, why would dinosaurs suffer BEFORE the fall of man?

The bible doesnt say.

Okay? But we now agree suffering happened before the "fall of man". This makes no sense. Why would God allow suffering here?

Who said dinosaurs suffered?

Now we might be starting to get somewhere.... Are you saying dinosaurs did not suffer?

[JoeyKnothead]

Gods kingdom rule promises to fix it all.

Having admitted you never met God, how might we confirm you speak truth in this new claim of yours?

It's downright goofy how so many theists on this site think that just presenting pile upon steaming pile of claim upon claim upon claim is somehow presenting evidence for any of it.

Promises found in Gods inspired word=the bible.

Where have you established the Bible to be a god's words, as opposed to the words of humans?

Archeologists proved many of the writings as true.

It's one thing to dig up a footing, and a whole different nother'n to dig up a god.

But anyway, which specific words did these archeologists dig up, and what tests were performed that confirms they came from a god?

[brunumb]

God inspired the words by holy spirit through righteous men to write his words down in the bible.

Well that's the party line, but we have no way of substantiating that claim. It is very likely that everything in the Bible has a purely human origin with no divine influence at all. In fact, if you take God out of the picture, all of the absurdities in the Bible begin to make sense.

[brunumb]

Archeologists proved many of the writings as true.

No one denies that some of the places and events were real. That doesn't mean that everything in it is real. Have you never encountered any books of fiction set in a real world environment with known places and real people?

[TRANSPONDER]

You asked why the angel being roamed free on earth. He didnt become satan and devil until he rebelled. He was in good standing until then.

Are you saying that Satan was in good standing when he was allowed access to the garden and that he rebelled later?

Genesis 3: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

How does that sit with your explanation. And, you still haven't explained why God cursed the serpent but did nothing to Satan.

God appointed that angel over the Garden. Genesis 3:15 proves it was about the devil. The devil bruised Jesus in the heel, Jesus bruised him in the head.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Where does it say God appointed the angel (who became Satan) over the garden? Also, not seeing Jesus or Satan in that passage. Care to explain?

Every scholar knows it is that way. The women refers to Gods kingdom. Jesus is appointed king of that kingdom.

Oh, I get it now. Make up stuff about the other made up stuff. If it's not in the original text, just spin something out and pretend that's what the original meant. Be sure to attribute whatever it is to the 'scholars'. You can get the Bible to say just about anything you want if you try hard enough.

My teachers are appointed by Jesus, they get holy spirit guiding them into all truth--at the proper time( Matt 24:45)

This is a faithclaim; you may believe it; why should we?

those same scientists would say the Lions on the ark ate meat as well, but they would be wrong.

Do you have anything substantial to back up that claim?

In Gods kingdom, it will go back to the way it was-no meat eaters-Isaiah 11:7

That says nothing about what occurred on the ark. That said, animals have have digestive systems which do not permit them to just eat anything. Before or after the alleged flood is irrelevant. The Bible is patently wrong, because the people who wrote it were completely ignorant of how life functions or how the world really works.

God inspired the words by holy spirit through righteous men to write his words down in the bible.

This is another faithclaim. You believe it, why should we, especially when there is so much that looks wrong?

Gods kingdom rule promises to fix it all.

Having admitted you never met God, how might we confirm you speak truth in this new claim of yours?

It's downright goofy how so many theists on this site think that just presenting pile upon steaming pile of claim upon claim upon claim is somehow presenting evidence for any of it.

Promises found in Gods inspired word=the bible.

Where have you established the Bible to be a god's words, as opposed to the words of humans?

Archeologists proved many of the writings as true.

They proved many more as false or doubtful. No Flood, doubtful Exodus, Tyre prophecy didn't happen, doubts that Nazareth really existed in 1st c. AD.There's more reason to doubt the bible than to believe it.

[Yozavad]

"A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal, but the compassion of the wicked is cruel", Proverbs 12:10. Theology doesn't dismiss animals to the realm of apathy as unsavoury imaginations suppose, nor does it evict animals from our affections and goodwill. Even a casual perusal through the Pentateuch will condemn such notions. "You shall not plow with an ox and a donkey together", Deuteronomy 22:10. Agriculture is not more important than the donkey's misery, which such a heartless act would entail. Should the donkey be overwhelmed by the stride of the ox and forced by neck to keep pace? Surely, the donkey is more important than the field. Understandably, animal sacrifices demand a reckoning from merciful minds. The Temple, a house of prayer and reverence, was a house of slaughter as well. Obviously, the animals were unwilling participants in Temple services, just as they're unwilling participants on our daily dinner plates. To whom can they appeal? Was Israelite worship more important than animals? Is our daily sustenance more important than animals? Worse still, does nature's predation mock our efforts to have empathy for all? Does the lion's teeth reveal God's indifference for the zebra slow of foot? "For creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in the hope that creation itself will be set free from its slavery to futility...", Romans 8:20,21. The materialist's despair of our misery-filled world, is all it has to offer. Despair is its only stock and store, whether meted out in jestful flippancy (at its worst) or meted out at God in hopeless criticism (at its best, for at least anger at the Divine doesn't ignore it altogether). Christians cherish Jesus Christ, our only stock and store, the Savior of creation, who will abolish all misery and pain at last.