Christianity's Problem

[POI]

God wants to communicate truth to his creation, right? Thus, if this is the case, then why communicate like he did? Many were/are illiterate, and/or are lazy. Meaning, many Christians have not made a true effort to read their Bible's, from cover to cover, and try to understand it completely. God would know all of this. But even if all read the Bible, and felt they understood every word, mass disagreement would soon develop anyways. As evidence by the endless denominations. Further, even the highly educated do not agree. Heck, we can even go as far as to establish that people who study hermeneutics do not agree. Even in the best case of scenarios, if everyone were to pick up a Bible, read it several times from cover to cover; mass disagreement, on many topics, would likely still persist.

For Debate:

Seems as though Jesus-God did a poor job in clearly conveying his message(s). Does Jesus-God REALLY wish to convey truth to his creation? Because if he does, why be satisfied with the published Bible?

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Why do you think I interpret? I think the problem comes from the desire to interpret things, it leads people away from truth. Truthful is to take the text as it is written and explained in the text.

Clearly you do as I'm sure that on many occasions, you have rejected what the Bible says in favour of what you think it Really says.or should have said. Interpretation.

What have I rejected?

[1213]

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Doesn't the Bible also instruct folks to stone people?
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Yes, Bible tells that for some actions person would deserve stoning.

[TRANSPONDER]

Why do you think I interpret? I think the problem comes from the desire to interpret things, it leads people away from truth. Truthful is to take the text as it is written and explained in the text.

Clearly you do as I'm sure that on many occasions, you have rejected what the Bible says in favour of what you think it Really says.or should have said. Interpretation.

What have I rejected?

Well, looking back at your posts, undoubted chattel slavery (or non Hebrews) stated specifically in the Bible (1), you rejected in favor of "...Well, God does not seem to have a problem with it... By what I see, God don't want people to be treated wrongly. For example because of the rule "love your neighbor as yourself". You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people; but you shall love y..."

The application of 'neighbour' in arguable context ("your people") as a pretext to dismiss a clear rule in the OT is 'rejection'of what the Bible actually says in favor of what you would like it to have said.

(1) Leviticus 25. 44 ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly".

[AquinasForGod]

[Replying to POI in post #1]

Those that trust the church Christ set up do not have this issue. We accept the apostolic succession. We all agree on dogmas. What is beautiful about the church is that it allows some freedom of thought when it comes to specifics and the philosophical grounding of things. But dogmas hold us together. The protestants let go of this and we see the results.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to POI in post #1]

Those that trust the church Christ set up do not have this issue. We accept the apostolic succession. We all agree on dogmas. What is beautiful about the church is that it allows some freedom of thought when it comes to specifics and the philosophical grounding of things. But dogmas hold us together. The protestants let go of this and we see the results.

Yes;the Western protestant countries are some of the richest, best educated and least corrupt countries in the world. Next question? Your self-denial is hard to take sometimes. You swoon about the self - delusionary talk of freedom of thought - Yes, within the dogmatic box Anything that threatens to go outside is not encouraged. Dogmas 'hold us together'.No wonder Catholicism and dictatorship has always been a bit cozy. Sure I have a theory that the problem with the Crazy USA is that it had no state Church to keep it in line. Though we have seen plenty of authoritarianism in the various churches and if you think Catholicism looks any better it is is only because it does not try to get political power these days.

You floated a smokescreen of how 'I used to be an atheist...like you...until..." but your reasoning and the flummery you seem to think of as 'Philosophy'(you ain't the only one ) hardly impresses with the claim of how you got from atheism to Hag - Ridden Religion. As is almost universally common with such conversion -claims, you seem to have forgotten everything you ever knew as an atheist. Otherwise you wouldn't even be essaying such bad arguments.

[JoeyKnothead]

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Doesn't the Bible also instruct folks to stone people?
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Yes, Bible tells that for some actions person would deserve stoning.

Do you have a problem with that?

How many people have you stoned?

[TRANSPONDER]

I take the lead from Jesus here, I take peoples' burden upon myself and I get stoned for them. Fridays.

[POI]

[Replying to POI in post #1]

Those that trust the church Christ set up do not have this issue. We accept the apostolic succession. We all agree on dogmas. What is beautiful about the church is that it allows some freedom of thought when it comes to specifics and the philosophical grounding of things. But dogmas hold us together. The protestants let go of this and we see the results.

Aah, so the Catholics have the right dogmas, and the protestants don't. Nice blank assert there.

However, this response too has missed the entire essences of what this thread is about. Allow me to rephrase, for clarity...

Apparently, God weighed in on a "collection of truth pronouncements". EVEN IF you are an earnest wannabe follower, many/most logically have the wrong interpretation about many things. Either, because they are ignorant, or maybe illiterate, or were taught from the wrong teacher, etc etc etc.... God would know this... SO EVEN IF Catholicism is the right flavor, MANY have it WRONG. WHY is God satisfied with the final publication (i.e.) the Bible? And in case you were not aware, you can see many differing churches directly next to each other.

[Diogenes]

[Replying to POI in post #1]

Those that trust the church Christ set up do not have this issue. We accept the apostolic succession. We all agree on dogmas. What is beautiful about the church is that it allows some freedom of thought when it comes to specifics and the philosophical grounding of things. But dogmas hold us together. The protestants let go of this and we see the results.

No, no issues at all. Apostolic succession fixes all. Well... not quite:

Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]: 19 
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy.
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy.
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[1]: 153 
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[1]: 204 
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony.[1]: 218 
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

In accord: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/10/europe/c ... index.html

And of course this list does not include Pius XII's failure to speak out about Hitler's campaign against the Jews.

... the pope first expressed his gratitude to Hitler for his warm greeting. He, too, he said, would like to see the Church reach an honorable agreement that would ensure religious peace in the Reich. As for Hitler’s concerns about political activity by the German clergy, there should be no grounds for worry because the Church had no reason to engage in partisan politics. In his conversations with von Hessen, the pope never raised any concerns about the Nazis’ anti-Jewish campaign.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ch/639435/

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Doesn't the Bible also instruct folks to stone people?
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Yes, Bible tells that for some actions person would deserve stoning.

Do you have a problem with that?

How many people have you stoned?

I have not stoned anyone, for example because I don't think I have that right.